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Biden hammered for spending time at Camp David while Taliban take over Afghanistan

Because Biden had no plan other than pleading with the Taliban...

No, that was your guy.

Trump initiated the “pleading with the Taliban”.

He had no plan. He never did. Setting up negotiations with the Taliban was your fuhrer’s idea (or maybe that slimy little rat Kushner). Not Joe Biden’s, as you falsely claim.

They had no idea where it was going to go. trump would have waffled back and forth the whole time, and the war would have dragged on. trump wouldn’t have had the stone to quit the war, and he certainly was too afraid of the public to escuate it again.
 

I know it's a Fox News article and I know the criticism is coming from very partisan Republicans, but they have a point. This is a moment of national humiliation. The Taliban has taken back Afghanistan before our eyes today and we have Americans in Afghanistan told to "shelter in place", which really is worse than the evacuation of Saigon, and we have the Secretary of State Blinken claiming we are evacuating in an orderly manner??? What a ****ing disaster. Sure, we would likely be in the same situation had Trump been reelected with the exception it would have been May 1st, but that doesn't mean that blame today doesn't fall upon the Biden Administration for what is going on now. This notion that their "hands were tied", total bullshit.

Almost all the Afghans that helped us for the 20 years we were there are going to be killed. There is no way we are going to get most of them out at this point, and that will be utterly catastrophic for future American military actions for decades to come.

So seriously, where the **** is the president right now? Why is not addressing the American people right now? Unlike a lot of people on here, I am not a rapid tribal partisan, I call shit how I see it, and this is an utter catastrophe.
Biden took the phone off the hook.
 
No, that was your guy.

Trump initiated the “pleading with the Taliban”.

He had no plan. He never did. Setting up negotiations with the Taliban was your fuhrer’s idea (or maybe that slimy little rat Kushner). Not Joe Biden’s, as you falsely claim.

They had no idea where it was going to go. trump would have waffled back and forth the whole time, and the war would have dragged on. trump wouldn’t have had the stone to quit the war, and he certainly was too afraid of the public to escuate it again.
This shit didn't happen on Trump watch, so why don't you start looking at YOUR president. You wanted Trump out, so he is. Now be a man, do you know how? Take ****ing responsibility for your vote.
 
This shit didn't happen on Trump watch, so why don't you start looking at YOUR president. You wanted Trump out, so he is. Now be a man, do you know how? Take ****ing responsibility for your vote.
Trump had 4 years to get this done and he couldnt.


Biden gets in done in 7 months



Always takes a Democrat to clean up a Republican mess
 
No, that was your guy.

Trump initiated the “pleading with the Taliban”.

He had no plan. He never did. Setting up negotiations with the Taliban was your fuhrer’s idea (or maybe that slimy little rat Kushner). Not Joe Biden’s, as you falsely claim.

They had no idea where it was going to go. trump would have waffled back and forth the whole time, and the war would have dragged on. trump wouldn’t have had the stone to quit the war, and he certainly was too afraid of the public to escuate it again.
Who's presidency was it when Afghanistan fall to the Taliban?
 

I know it's a Fox News article and I know the criticism is coming from very partisan Republicans, but they have a point. This is a moment of national humiliation. The Taliban has taken back Afghanistan before our eyes today and we have Americans in Afghanistan told to "shelter in place", which really is worse than the evacuation of Saigon, and we have the Secretary of State Blinken claiming we are evacuating in an orderly manner??? What a ****ing disaster. Sure, we would likely be in the same situation had Trump been reelected with the exception it would have been May 1st, but that doesn't mean that blame today doesn't fall upon the Biden Administration for what is going on now. This notion that their "hands were tied", total bullshit.

Almost all the Afghans that helped us for the 20 years we were there are going to be killed. There is no way we are going to get most of them out at this point, and that will be utterly catastrophic for future American military actions for decades to come.

So seriously, where the **** is the president right now? Why is not addressing the American people right now? Unlike a lot of people on here, I am not a rapid tribal partisan, I call shit how I see it, and this is an utter catastrophe.

It is a terrible moment in history for sure. 20 years of this stupid war started by one President, 2 failures by subsequent Presidents to fix it, and now Biden is stuck with it.

But I guess I don't get the outrage about being at Camp David. It's an official US Presidential residence. And I don't need Biden to "address me". I need him to figure out what the right course of action is. I can't help with that and some words tossed my way won't do anything.
 
No, that was your guy.

Trump initiated the “pleading with the Taliban”.

He had no plan. He never did. Setting up negotiations with the Taliban was your fuhrer’s idea (or maybe that slimy little rat Kushner). Not Joe Biden’s, as you falsely claim.

They had no idea where it was going to go. trump would have waffled back and forth the whole time, and the war would have dragged on. trump wouldn’t have had the stone to quit the war, and he certainly was too afraid of the public to escuate it again.

There apparently was no Trump plan. The GOP removed all references to the "agreement" from their website yesterday.

Biden inherited this mess for sure, but as the COC, he unfortunately owns it now. He has to fix it.
 
This shit didn't happen on Trump watch, so why don't you start looking at YOUR president. You wanted Trump out, so he is. Now be a man, do you know how? Take ****ing responsibility for your vote.

Why didn't Trump get the US out of Afghanistan in the 4 years he was in office? He promised to end the endless war. He apparently lied.
 
I don't think the media and people are considering some factors, that Trump removed Troops and left a small number in Afghanistan, but he gave the Taliban what they wanted, which was time to plan their moves by broadcasting this around a year ago.

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Story posted: Oct. 8, 2020
Trump pledges to withdraw troops from Afghanistan by Christmas; Taliban cheer

The president has made walking away from "ridiculous endless wars" the cornerstone of his foreign policy.
Trump's announcement came just hours after national security adviser Robert O'Brien said the U.S. had less than 5,000 troops in Afghanistan currently and would go down to 2,500 by early next year.

"Ultimately, the Afghans themselves are going to have to work out an accord, a peace agreement. ... It's going to be slow progress, it’s going to be hard progress, but we think it’s a necessary step — we think Americans need to come home," O'Brien told an event at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas on Wednesday.
end quote


We can't afford to have selective amnesia, even though the situation is a full on disaster, we have to look at the history of actions. 2500 Troops was nothing considering the size of Afghanistan, with so little troop, there is no way they could have been effective. The Taliban simply waited and put their people in place for their move, once more Troops were removed. Taliban's strategy resulted to be one where they made sure they would not have any gun fights with Americans, and when that was clear there was not enough Americans to put up a gun fight, The Taliban made their moves

380,000 Afghans Soldiers and they chose not to fight! That is the story that is being missed. That should be a global question of "WHY"? Where were the Afghan Generals? Where is the Afghan Government Administrators.

After 20 yrs... it would appear if the Afghan people liked life without the Taliban, then why did they not back and promote their Soldiers to Defend their land?

The situation unfolding now... and by the media, they seem to have no concern to ask these questions, they are caught up in the devastations of the citizen population and disregarding the "Non Defense by the Military". The U.S. Trained them, Equipped them, but what the U.S. could not do was give them the mental mindset to back their oath to defend their country.

There has to have been some complicit conduct by the Afghan Military Leaders, to have their troops surrender without even a fight. of 380,000 Afghan Soldiers, and they did not even try to defend their Capitol. The President of Afghan fled ....

American Media needs to ask the right questions.

Why did the Afghan soldiers not have a commitment to protect all the equipment and weaponry that the U.S. provided them? They simply walked away, leaving the weapons and equipment to the Taliban.

The question is what did the Afghan General know and what did the Afghan President know that gave them time to exit the scene.

Where in all of this is the Other Nations who participated over the 20 yrs in Afghanistan?

Trump never should have made a negotiation with the Taliban, without the consent and cooperation and involvement of the Other Nations that fought in Afghanistan, and Trump should never have taken up such a task that he knew nothing about and would not listen to Military Advisers, would not listen to the Intelligence Agencies, and ignored our Allied Nations intelligence Trump also should not have made any negotiation with the Taliban without involving the Afghan Government. Trumps mess escalated into something that is a pure tragedy.

This is a tragic situation on so many levels. A great deal of responsibility falls on the Afghan Soldiers... and their non willingness to defend their country.
380,000 surely could have defended against 75,000 Taliban.

The truths will be decades before it comes out, because "this is a failure on so many levels" ..... It does not all fall on the U.S. it involved all the other Nations that were involved over the two decades, and it involves the Afghan Military and their lack of will to defend their Nation, and the Afghan people who did not push to ensure their government would protect the Nation.

The Taliban would not have moved into these cities as they did unless they had some assurance that the Afghan Military would not fight to defend those cities.


Other Countries in the Region simply sit by and did nothing as all this unfolded. "Why"?
 
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Why didn't Trump get the US out of Afghanistan in the 4 years he was in office? He promised to end the endless war. He apparently lied.
Leftwingers bitched the whole time Trump talked about getting out of wars....like Syria for instance.... He never could do anything right for you. You won't even give him credit for the vaccine. So why the **** are you here? Fact mean nothing to you, and never have.
 
Leftwingers bitched the whole time Trump talked about getting out of wars....like Syria for instance.... He never could do anything right for you. You won't even give him credit for the vaccine. So why the **** are you here? Fact mean nothing to you, and never have.

Credit for the vaccine? You mean the ones the pharmas created? My bad. I didn't realize Trump was a scientist working for Pfizer on the side. Well done Donald Trump! You are a multi-talented genius. A game show host, a golf course developer, and a scientist too. Who knew?

I never posted about Syria so I have no idea what you are babbling about Syria for.

I also never bitched about getting out of wars. I'm not one of those stupid Republicans who likes to be in them.
 
Leftwingers bitched the whole time Trump talked about getting out of wars....like Syria for instance.... He never could do anything right for you. You won't even give him credit for the vaccine. So why the **** are you here? Fact mean nothing to you, and never have.
I give credit to trump for getting out of syria.


If you do then you shoukd give credit to Biden fir getting out of Afghanistan
 
Leftwingers bitched the whole time Trump talked about getting out of wars....like Syria for instance.... He never could do anything right for you. You won't even give him credit for the vaccine. So why the **** are you here? Fact mean nothing to you, and never have.
You do know that some companies did not take any money from Trump's Admin in their development of the vaccine. There was collaboration's on many fronts in the development of the vaccine... The technology of the vaccine is not something they came up with in the spur of the moment, they had been working on this category of technology, and when and as they got more data of the way the virus functions, they tweaked and tweaked what they knew to develop an effective vaccine. The vaccine did not come out of thin air. there was data shared on many fronts that we the public did not and do not know about, medical scientist always talk with each other. Anything positive that Trump did, he can have credit for, but he does not get sole credit for the vaccine, let's just be real about that aspect. Then the credit he gets can be put into perspective.

But... let's not deviate from the OP of the matters that is Afghanistan.
 

I know it's a Fox News article and I know the criticism is coming from very partisan Republicans, but they have a point. This is a moment of national humiliation. The Taliban has taken back Afghanistan before our eyes today and we have Americans in Afghanistan told to "shelter in place", which really is worse than the evacuation of Saigon, and we have the Secretary of State Blinken claiming we are evacuating in an orderly manner??? What a ****ing disaster. Sure, we would likely be in the same situation had Trump been reelected with the exception it would have been May 1st, but that doesn't mean that blame today doesn't fall upon the Biden Administration for what is going on now. This notion that their "hands were tied", total bullshit.

Almost all the Afghans that helped us for the 20 years we were there are going to be killed. There is no way we are going to get most of them out at this point, and that will be utterly catastrophic for future American military actions for decades to come.

So seriously, where the **** is the president right now? Why is not addressing the American people right now? Unlike a lot of people on here, I am not a rapid tribal partisan, I call shit how I see it, and this is an utter catastrophe.

To be fair, its probably a good idea Biden isnt actually in charge. I mean, officially he has ot be CINC, so Im not sure how that works. I guess he could have just delegated to someone else. This seems like a good time to impeach him though. Between the border, illegal actions on the pandemic, and now incompetent military leadership, if the congress wasnt partisan, he would be gone. I dount Harris would be any better though. Congress needs to appoint someone else.
 
To be fair, its probably a good idea Biden isnt actually in charge. I mean, officially he has ot be CINC, so Im not sure how that works. I guess he could have just delegated to someone else. This seems like a good time to impeach him though. Between the border, illegal actions on the pandemic, and now incompetent military leadership, if the congress wasnt partisan, he would be gone. I dount Harris would be any better though. Congress needs to appoint someone else.
Who you going to replace him with?
 
I give credit to trump for getting out of syria.


If you do then you shoukd give credit to Biden fir getting out of Afghanistan

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Yup he gets full credit for this.
 
That's a generous reading of the situation and not really accurate.

For the past six years the Taliban had steadily been eroding ANSF and GoIRA standings across the country. Had ISIS not popped up and distracted them they would have likely gained more. In fact you can trace a lot of their recent rapid success to all the work they did over the past few years.
Their recent success is all a result of them cutting deals with local warlords after they negotiated with the Trump administration on our withdrawal.
 
Good. He is doing a great job.


One trump was unable to do



Takes a Democrat to clean up a gop.mess
You never saw Afghans falling off Air Force aircraft under Trump. Trump just can't keep up with Biden's accomplishments. Biden should put that on his resume.
 
Because Biden had no plan other than pleading with the Taliban...
Biden's handling of this from the very beginning has been dangerously ill-thought through starting with announcing to the world our troops would be home by 9-11. A thinking president would never announce a timeline to their adversaries giving them plenty of time to strategically plan the takeover of the country which they did in just 10 days.

Another feckless move the Biden administration made was starting this evacuation during a time of year when the Taliban are most prevalent in Afghanistan during the spring and summer and has been that way for the 20 years we have occupied the country. The reason for this is due to weather related conditions. So to go forward at this time was a truly FUBAR decision.

If you recall the president of Afghanistan came to the WH a few weeks ago begging the Biden administration to not go forward with the withdraw of troops at this time during the Taliban fighting season especially while Biden was severely scaling back on air support of Afghanistan special forces at the same time.

Right now we have thousands of Americans stranded in Afghanistan. They have stopped all flights out of Kabal because of the chaos that has erupted at the airport. And where is Biden? On vacation (hiding) and over the weekend Fox reported that Jen "circle back" Psaki will not be holding any news briefings at this time.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/psaki-goes-offline-for-a-week-as-crisis-breaks-out-in-afghanistan
 
You never saw Afghans falling off Air Force aircraft under Trump. Trump just can't keep up with Biden's accomplishments. Biden should put that on his resume.
No. What you saw was never ending war in Afghanistan.


It takes a Democrat to get us out of that
 
To be fair, its probably a good idea Biden isnt actually in charge. I mean, officially he has ot be CINC, so Im not sure how that works. I guess he could have just delegated to someone else. This seems like a good time to impeach him though. Between the border, illegal actions on the pandemic, and now incompetent military leadership, if the congress wasnt partisan, he would be gone. I dount Harris would be any better though. Congress needs to appoint someone else.
That has to be one of the most insidious and absurd comments.... ever!
 
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