Biden Decides To Stick To Aug 31st Deadline!

[Taylor]

Taiwan, Ukraine and eastern Europe take note.

More like China, Russia - take notice of the weakest US "leader" in generations.

 

[vegas giants]

More like China, Russia - take notice of the weakest US "leader" in generations.

Trump?

 

[Taylor]

I think you and others are wishing g and hoping for American causalities so you can blame Biden


So far you have none and that frustrates you

More wishful thinking on your part. A bunch of crap with no ties to the real world.

 

[vegas giants]

More wishful thinking on your part. A bunch of crap with no ties to the real world.

Here is a fun fact


No American has been seriously injured or killed during this withdrawal

 

[Taylor]

Here is a fun fact


No American has been seriously injured or killed during this withdrawal

More wishful thinking.

 

[Mycroft]

Nope we really won't.
The gop base doesn't give a shit about this topic.
They only use it to beat up biden with. You can't go years and years of we don't care about the rest of the world and flip on a dime and expect not to be called out on it.

I was around for Iraq..you all trying the same lame formula here as well..

Get out of town.

A lot of Americans care about Americans. Democrats don't. A lot of Americans won't forget that.

 

[Callen]

Exactly. They've already set up their narrative. It will be - those left behind were those who chose not to leave.
After all, thousands of Americans are choosing not to leave a country controlled by the world's most dangerous terrorists.

...and the right has already set up their narrative too. Thousands of Americans and allies were left stranded. Of course, neither said will be able to prove their preferred narrative but that won't stop them.

 

[jmotivator]

1) The process of withdrawing American civilian government employees in advance of the military withdrawal would have been seen as a signal that we had no confidence in the Afghan military and the Afghan government. Following the collapse, it would have been singled out as "Biden's catastrophic miscalculation" that caused the collapse. Which we know now it wouldn't have been.

... Is this really the argument you are going with? I mean, which ****ing narrative from the Biden Administration are you attaching this too? Biden already said that this collapse was always going to happen, so if he had no trust in the Afghan military then he had an obligation to get American civilians out first.

If you want to go by the previous claim by Biden that the Afghan army was more than capable of holding off the Taliban then Biden wasn't listening to his ****ing IC or Joint Chiefs.

So you are left with arguing that he allowed this to happen to avoid hurt feelings among the now toppled Afghan government, GTFOH with that utter nonsense.

2) We can't order American civilians who are not government employees out of countries. Besides, every year we see Americans refusing to evacuate in the face of advancing hurricanes. People do what they want to do. Look at the idiots not getting vaccinated.

We can also give them more warning than a week before the country collapses... like maybe when we abandoned Bagram airbase in the middle of the night the State Department could have, I don't know, told someone.

As it stands the ****ing Biden administration failed to notify... American citizens, The Afghan Government, the Afghan Commander of Bagram airbase and our ****ing NATO allies (who had been counting on the much more defensible Bagram as the exit point for their own citizens).

I mean, it is one thing to run an evac and a state department advisory to exit immediately for a few months before you pull the military out, and quite another to issue it on August 7th, a week before the country collapses and then blame the civilians for not leaving in time? Again, **** that nonsense.

3) Few people thought this evacuation would be necessary at all. Everyone believed that if there was a collapse, it would be gradual, allowing continual assessments of who needs to be evacuated when. This was a complete surprise. And yet despite the surprise we've evacuated a record number of people in record time.

The IC and the Joint Chiefs warned that it would happen as soon as we withdrew military support... which we then did anyway in the middle of ****ing fighting season.

The reason the original plan was to complete the exit by May 31st was because the weather doesn't warm, and the troglodytes don't come out of their holes until June. At that point, if all non-essential personnel were gone, and the skeleton crew of "essential" Embassy staff were a short flight away from Bagram, then we wouldn't be having this discussion. And if you missed the May Deadline for withdrawal then you are obligated to tool up and ride out another fighting season with as much military support as the Afghans need, then complete the exit when the weather gets cold and the troglodytes climb back into their holes.

 

[vegas giants]

More wishful thinking.

If its untrue name one American casualty

 

[Metric Mouse]

Meanwhile, we can count on conservatives to be among the first to welcome Afghan refugees to America.

Oh, snap:

I don't know about conservatives, but 11 Republican governors have offered to accept Afghan refugees, almost twice the count of Democrat governors who have offered the same.

 

[iguanaman]

Americans were notified by the city Government of New Orleans to evacuate the 9th ward three days before Katrina hit. There was nothing blocking them from leaving.

Point is…..when did it become OK to blame the folks that didn’t leave? With Katrina, did we chastise them for staying? People wouldn’t have dreamed of criticizing those people back then. It was mostly Americans being affected and it was too close to home to be critical. We rightfully blamed the people in power that was supposed to protect them, even when they make a bad decision.


They are Americans and allies with their life on the line in the middle of hot, and volatile situation,…..not tourists in a cruise ship. What an amazingly stupid and callus comment.

The point is that Americans had a choice to leave earlier. They decided it was worth the risk and some might have made the wrong choice. Many in the 9th ward had no transportation. We are also not blaming anyone but are doing our best to get every American out who wants to go.

 

[d0gbreath]

What will y'all say if all Americans and allies are out on the 30th?

 

[jmotivator]

No American has been seriously injured or killed during this withdrawal


Sone got a flight delay


Oh the humanity

Stage 1 of the Cluster**** ends on August 31st, Stage 2 starts September 1st when Biden declares victory and a cessation of evacuation efforts. It is at that point that friends and loved ones with start with the "Hey, what about..." and the true toll is known.

At this point you have no clue what is happening a block from the airport.. but you have convinced yourself that lack of information in a disaster is good news.

 

[sanman]

Meanwhile, we can count on conservatives to be among the first to welcome Afghan refugees to America.

Oh, snap:

"Oh snap" - let's keep changing the subject away from Biden's flip-flopping around on deadlines which leave the fate of Americans hanging in the balance.

Let's instead change the topic to anything else that distracts away from Biden's utter bumbling incompetence and criminal negligence.

In case you haven't noticed -- the latest statement from the Taliban spokesman is that they don't want any Afghans to be allowed to leave their country. You're trying to put some onus of blame on Americans for not accepting Afghans into the US, but meanwhile you're totally ignoring the fact that the Taliban don't intend to allow those Afghans to leave. Those people are Taliban's prisoners anyway. Taliban checkpoints are already destroying the documents of Afghans trying to get to the airport.

 

[jmotivator]

The point is that Americans had a choice to leave earlier. They decided it was worth the risk and some might have made the wrong choice. Many in the 9th ward had no transportation. We are also not blaming anyone but are doing our best to get every American out who wants to go.

We are at the "blame the victims" stage of the time honored Democrat stages of grief.

 

[Easton Kai]

The point is that Americans had a choice to leave earlier. They decided it was worth the risk and some might have made the wrong choice. Many in the 9th ward had not transportation. We are also not blaming anyone but are doing our best to get every American out who wants to go.

For the record, and I can see how my post could be interpreted as such, but I never got the sense that you personally were blaming or shaming people that didn't leave. I believe most of us want to see the safe return of our people and those we made commitments to.

However, their are others on this board take a very unsympathetic approach to the folks still there.

 

[mike2810]

Did the American civilians in Afghanistan not believe President Trump when he said he would have the US out by May, 2021?
Did the American civilians in Afghanistan not believe President Biden when he said he would has the US military out by September or sooner?

Seems US companies and private citizens could have been leaving Afghanistan since January. Looks like many did not.

 

[Ikari]

A lot of Americans care about Americans. Democrats don't. A lot of Americans won't forget that.

Americans who care about other Americans get vaccinated, so your BS partisan disinformation doesn't hold to examination.

 

[vegas giants]

Stage 1 of the Cluster**** ends on August 31st, Stage 2 starts September 1st when Biden declares victory and a cessation of evacuation efforts. It is at that point that friends and loved ones with start with the "Hey, what about..." and the true toll is known.

At this point you have no clue what is happening a block from the airport.. but you have convinced yourself that lack of information in a disaster is good news.

Got a casualty report? Lol

 

[Big Steve]

Every American killed or left behind should be a separate charge in Biden's war crimes trial...

 

[iguanaman]

Every American killed or left behind should be a separate charge in Biden's war crimes trial...

Even though they might have been killed by Taliban prisoners that the one term mistake had released? He is the one that surrendered to the Taliban and left the country defenseless by withdrawing our entire fighting force long before Biden was sworn in.

 

[Mycroft]

Americans who care about other Americans get vaccinated, so your BS partisan disinformation doesn't hold to examination.

Deflection dismissed.

 

[Ikari]

Deflection dismissed.

lol
Your inability to address the fundamental has been noted.

 

[jmotivator]

Did the American civilians in Afghanistan not believe President Trump when he said he would have the US out by May, 2021?
Did the American civilians in Afghanistan not believe President Biden when he said he would has the US military out by September or sooner?

Seems US companies and private citizens could have been leaving Afghanistan since January. Looks like many did not.

I would guess that many of those civilians were aware that Biden extended the timeline to August 31st well before the May deadline, and also believed the Biden Admins public assessment that the Afghan military was more than capable of holding off the Taliban.

They were probably as surprised as everyone else that Biden pulled military assistance from the Afghan military, left Bagram airbase in the middle of fighting season and didn't tell anyone until August 7th to exit the country immediately, and when the shit hit the fan, that the Biden administration had no emergency exist plan and insufficient flights and supplies to handle tens of thousands of refugees and American citizens stranded in Afghanistan.

 

[Tender Branson]

Good.

Agreements are there to be followed and not to be broken unilaterally.

The Taliban might be assholes, but if they say no to an extension, even the US President must adhere to it.