Biden’s border bill would have been far more successful than anything Trump has done

[j brown's body]

But it lacks Trump's unconstititional brutality which appeals strongly to MAGA.

 

[anatta]

delusional.. Trump got the border to a trickle instead of a flood. And without crappy legislation that would codify illegals.
Trump was correct when he said "it didn't take new legislation -just a new president"

 

[j brown's body]

delusional.. Trump got the border to a trickle instead of a flood. And without crappy legislation that would codify illegals.
Trump was correct when he said "it didn't take new legislation -just a new president"

This fits in with authoritarianism as it argues for rule, not by law, but by decree. It doesn't solve the problems, it puts them off. And they can only stayed put off if one man is in power. Whereas laws address pripoblems and hold leaders accountable.

Trump has suspended asylum claims. Are we to eliminate asylum claims even though the law calls for it?

Or are asylum claims from now on to be adjudicated by one man?

Rule by law or rule by leader?

A law that accommodates dealing with immigrants or one man causing a constitutional crisis doing what he please with immigrants?

Think about it.

 

[Cordelier]

But it lacks Trump's unconstititional brutality which appeals strongly to MAGA.

It's not about the steak - it's about the sizzle.

 

[ElChupacabra]

delusional.. Trump got the border to a trickle instead of a flood. And without crappy legislation that would codify illegals.
Trump was correct when he said "it didn't take new legislation -just a new president"

Well if you're assessing this accurately, the flood was already greatly reduced by the Biden administration, so it was already a low starting point for the current administration. One can certainly argue it was too little too late on the former administration's part, but they didn't have to do much of their reductions via executive orders. They were at least trying to get legislation done, while that's not the case with the current administration.

 

[anatta]

Well if you're assessing this accurately, the flood was already greatly reduced by the Biden administration, so it was already a low starting point for the current administration.

Biden's damage was already done. He stopped a few of his extreme executive orders.But look at 2023 - record highs -250k in December 2023.
My point is legislation was never needed. Biden was either typically brain dead, an enabler, or Mayorkas ran the show

in early June 2024, the administration launched a second crackdown: a proclamation and rule refusing asylum to most people who cross the border between ports of entry during busy times.

This and getting Mexican cooperation at its' southern border is what stopped the migrants

One can certainly argue it was too little too late on the former administration's part, but they didn't have to do much of their reductions via executive orders. They were at least trying to get legislation done, while that's not the case with the current administration.

Biden did everything by XO -the abuse of asylum, flying in migrants at night, deliberately obscuring the flow by having migrants enter store fronts and then out the back door to waiting buses dropping them off covertly all across the USA

Trump came in and got rid of all that nonsense and the border really "is secure" now

 

[anatta]

This fits in with authoritarianism as it argues for rule, not by law, but by decree. It doesn't solve the problems, it puts them off. And they can only stayed put off if one man is in power. Whereas laws address pripoblems and hold leaders accountable.

here is the XO on asylum: Congress never envisioned mass asylum claims. a

Realigning the United States Refugee Admissions Program

REALIGNING THE United States REFUGEE ADMISSIONS PROGRAM By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States

www.whitehouse.gov

Notwithstanding the suspension of the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program (USRAP). imposed pursuant to subsections (a) and (b) of this section, the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Homeland Security may jointly determine to admit aliens to the United States as refugees on a case-by-case basis, in their discretion, but only so long as they determine that the entry of such aliens as refugees is in the national interest and does not pose a threat to the security or welfare of the United States.

Trump has suspended asylum claims. Are we to eliminate asylum claims even though the law calls for it?

restricted -not eliminated

Or are asylum claims from now on to be adjudicated by one man?

POTUS -any POTUS even that fool Biden has the authority

Rule by law or rule by leader?

A law that accommodates dealing with immigrants or one man causing a constitutional crisis doing what he please with immigrants?

again adylum hasn't been eliminated

 

[tharock220]

Latin Americans were given the impression by the Biden administration that the asylum system was a means of avoiding immigrating to the US through regular channels.

Very few of those people had actual asylum cases. A lack of economic opportunity doesn't count.

 

[j brown's body]

Latin Americans were given the impression by the Biden administration that the asylum system was a means of avoiding immigrating to the US through regular channels.

Very few of those people had actual asylum cases. A lack of economic opportunity doesn't count.

Not sure what that has to do with a Republican saying the border bill would be doing a better job than Trump's EOs, but ok.

 

[j brown's body]

here is the XO on asylum: Congress never envisioned mass asylum claims. a

Realigning the United States Refugee Admissions Program

REALIGNING THE United States REFUGEE ADMISSIONS PROGRAM By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States

www.whitehouse.gov

Notwithstanding the suspension of the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program (USRAP). imposed pursuant to subsections (a) and (b) of this section, the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Homeland Security may jointly determine to admit aliens to the United States as refugees on a case-by-case basis, in their discretion, but only so long as they determine that the entry of such aliens as refugees is in the national interest and does not pose a threat to the security or welfare of the United States.


restricted -not eliminated

POTUS -any POTUS even that fool Biden has the authority

again adylum hasn't been eliminated

Congress presented a law that would deal with it, but you prefer the whims of one man.

You're clearly cool with authoritarianism.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Biden's damage was already done. He stopped a few of his extreme executive orders.But look at 2023 - record highs -250k in December 2023.
My point is legislation was never needed. Biden was either typically brain dead, an enabler, or Mayorkas ran the show

Legislation was needed and still is. The current policy was effective at curbing migration through fear, but does nothing to address the shortage in personnel to adjudicate asylum claims, process new migrants coming in legally, or redefining foreign work programs to meet the current demands in certain industries.

This and getting Mexican cooperation at its' southern border is what stopped the migrants

I've read nothing about Mexican cooperation as having any impact. Do you have any citations backing this claim? The Mexican government had cooperated in the past with mixed results.

Biden did everything by XO -the abuse of asylum, flying in migrants at night, deliberately obscuring the flow by having migrants enter store fronts and then out the back door to waiting buses dropping them off covertly all across the USA

Trump came in and got rid of all that nonsense and the border really "is secure" now

Through EO.


So from the perspective of making the US unfriendly to migration as a whole through much of the silly rhetoric and attacks against all sorts of migrants (student visas, H1B workers etc.) it's not really a policy as it is fear mongering.

 

[anatta]

Legislation was needed and still is. The current policy was effective at curbing migration through fear, but does nothing to address the shortage in personnel to adjudicate asylum claims, process new migrants coming in legally, or redefining foreign work programs to meet the current demands in certain industries.

reduce the number of migrants able to claim asylum and the needs become lessor . Ironically Trump fired some immigration judges, which might slow down deportations. Sure we can use an updated law, but it's not critical to border control

I've read nothing about Mexican cooperation as having any impact. Do you have any citations backing this claim? The Mexican government had cooperated in the past with mixed results.

paywalled. Sept 2014 / all I can find. searching immigration is laborious

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/09/14/mexico-migrant-border-merry-go-round/

Through EO.


So from the perspective of making the US unfriendly to migration as a whole through much of the silly rhetoric and attacks against all sorts of migrants (student visas, H1B workers etc.) it's not really a policy as it is fear mongering.

you cant argue the results. record low border crossings of all time under 47

 

[anatta]

Congress presented a law that would deal with it, but you prefer the whims of one man.

You're clearly cool with authoritarianism.

you mean the executive branch which control immigration processs?

 

[ElChupacabra]

reduce the number of migrants able to claim asylum and the needs become lessor . Ironically Trump fired some immigration judges, which might slow down deportations. Sure we can use an updated law, but it's not critical to border control

Sure it is, because it determine's how efficiently the government can process asylum claims and other immigration related issues.

paywalled. Sept 2014 / all I can find. searching immigration is laborious

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/09/14/mexico-migrant-border-merry-go-round/

I don't think I'd consider that citation as evidence of something that worked, since it clearly didn't per the article.

you cant argue the results. record low border crossings of all time under 47

I'm not arguing the results, except the trade off is not addressing the labor issues and needed migration. If Americans are interested in going the route Japan went and realizing they need migrants due to their demographic issues, then ok.

 

[What if...?]

Latin Americans were given the impression by the Biden administration that the asylum system was a means of avoiding immigrating to the US through regular channels.

Very few of those people had actual asylum cases. A lack of economic opportunity doesn't count.

Well, considering we wrecked Latin America trying to force prostration to American capitalism, we do indeed bear some responsibility for the economic situations there.

 

[rahl]

you mean the executive branch which control immigration processs?

Congress controls immigration

 

[anatta]

Sure it is, because it determine's how efficiently the government can process asylum claims and other immigration related issues.

processing asylum claims more quickly does not equate to border security. Stopping the migrant flood is border security

I don't think I'd consider that citation as evidence of something that worked, since it clearly didn't per the article.

I cant seem to find it. It dds help as Mexican troops stopped their own migrant flows into their southern border

I'm not arguing the results, except the trade off is not addressing the labor issues and needed migration. If Americans are interested in going the route Japan went and realizing they need migrants due to their demographic issues, then ok.

We need skilled labor and in that sense i agree we need to get our visa system in better shape

 

[anatta]

Congress controls immigration

Congress legislates immigration law, but enforcement is done by the executive

 

[ElChupacabra]

processing asylum claims more quickly does not equate to border security. Stopping the migrant flood is border security

If your goal is no more migration, then sure.

I cant seem to find it. It dds help as Mexican troops stopped their own migrant flows into their southern border

The article you cited did not represent it that way, calling it "El Carrusel" or merry-go-round because many migrants were just transferred to the southern parts of Mexico where they would trek back north and try again.

We need skilled labor and in that sense i agree we need to get our visa system in better shape

Actually it's more of the unskilled laborers that are needed since positions in industries having trouble filling laborer positions have been complaining about it. All the rhetoric against H1B visas not too long ago along with student migrants snatched off the street isn't going to make this an inviting country to want to come to. That other industrialized nations are warning their citizens to not bring their personal cell phones so they don't have issues with TSA doesn't help either. If I lived in another country, I would not be sending my child here to study.

 

[rahl]

Congress legislates immigration law, but enforcement is done by the executive

Enforcing congresses legislation. Congress controls immigration.

 

[j brown's body]

you mean the executive branch which control immigration processs?

I mean rule, not by law, but by decree.

 

[Noodlegawd]

delusional.. Trump got the border to a trickle instead of a flood. And without crappy legislation that would codify illegals.
Trump was correct when he said "it didn't take new legislation -just a new president"

To be fair, Biden was able to get it down very low by the end of his presidency. He didn't need legislation either, so that idea was a lie.. He just needed to WANT to do it, in his case because the election was on the line.

 

[bomberfox]

But it lacks Trump's unconstititional brutality which appeals strongly to MAGA.

It allowed the president to essentially close the border via executive fiat im afraid.