Bernie's plans... How they are paid for.

[ludin]

Go read the OP and stop embarrassing yourself already.

yes all the liberals in this thread need to stop embarrassing themselves.
sanders has an 11.5 trillion dollar budget gap how do you think he will make up for it.

you should read something other than the daily kos, vox, etc ...

I even posted a cnn article that says sanders is full of it.

 

[Casper]

So which of the proposed taxes would effect you negatively?

All new taxes affect all Americans negatively.

 

[Casper]

Gone in America? It never came. What do we have instead? The Corporate State.

Sanders plans will invve taxes, but his plans are for the many, not for the few.

Yes, l already knew he was a Socialist, you point is?

 

[poweRob]

All new taxes affect all Americans negatively.

What an epic dodge. And wildly untrue.

 

[Ikari]

you point is?

This paranoia over "uber-socialism" is just sensationalized propaganda.

 

[poweRob]

yes all the liberals in this thread need to stop embarrassing themselves.
sanders has an 11.5 trillion dollar budget gap how do you think he will make up for it.

you should read something other than the daily kos, vox, etc ...

I even posted a cnn article that says sanders is full of it.

He doesn't have a budget gap and repeating your embarrassment won't make it come true.

 

[ludin]

He doesn't have a budget gap and repeating your embarrassment won't make it come true.

then you evidently can't do math.

18 trillion dollars in new spending.
6.5 trillion dollars in new taxes.

that is an 11.5 trillion dollar deficit.
this is very simple math.

so yes you should be embarrassed.
as I said that conservative bastion of cnn even calls out sanders on it.

 

[shagg]

then you evidently can't do math.

18 trillion dollars in new spending.
6.5 trillion dollars in new taxes.

that is an 11.5 trillion dollar deficit.
this is very simple math.

so yes you should be embarrassed.
as I said that conservative bastion of cnn even calls out sanders on it.

CNN isn't above engineering a hit piece on Bernie to repay one of the favors they owe Shillary, or to increase the odds she'll be in a position to repay the favors she owes them.

 

[Thoreau72]

I just watched the exchange between Bernie & Hillary, and it was awesome!

Hillary grasps at the bureaucratic status quo, and Bernie proposes well planned change to how we do our national health process.

I think MSM is somewhat suppressing Bernie and promoting Hillary. If he wins the nomination, I'm voting for him. :mrgreen:

 

[poweRob]

then you evidently can't do math.

18 trillion dollars in new spending.
6.5 trillion dollars in new taxes.

that is an 11.5 trillion dollar deficit.
this is very simple math.

so yes you should be embarrassed.
as I said that conservative bastion of cnn even calls out sanders on it.

You are pulling half info from all over the place and pretending you have a whole story. This has been explained to you and you still refuse to read.

The OP has a link... One you didn't read... It describes several of his plans NOT ALL OF THEM... And how each of those specific plans are paid for. You don't acknowledge that because you refuse to read it.

Instead, you cite a bogus wsj article that tries to total ALL of Bernie's plans and then do math with only part of the information. How do you not understand this?

AGAIN... The OP doesn't include the cost of Bernie's healthcare plan. $15 trillion of that supposed $18 trillion in that hack article you are citing they say is for his healthcare dollars according to your own article. TheOP link doesn't mention his healthcare plan. You're sitting there comparing a bogus article with an all plans total and subtracting from it only some of Bernie's funding then pretend you struck gold in the difference. The OP says nothing about funding all of his plans in that piece.

There is no shortfall. Just your inability to understand what you are looking at... Mostly because you refuse to actually look at it.

 

[poweRob]

Here is his medical plan and how it's paid for. It raises $1.38 trillion per year and saves families AND employers thousands per year. This is funds you aren't accounting for in your whacked out attempt to total ALL of Bernie's plans together.

Hours before debate, Sanders releases Medicare-for-all plan - CNNPolitics.com

 

[Iamjesus]

then you evidently can't do math.

18 trillion dollars in new spending.
6.5 trillion dollars in new taxes.

that is an 11.5 trillion dollar deficit.
this is very simple math.

so yes you should be embarrassed.
as I said that conservative bastion of cnn even calls out sanders on it.

This is deficit on top of current deficit. Take this much out of the hands of those who create wealth and it is even a BIGGER deficit. A family of 4 is already paying a whopping amount to service current Federal debt.

 

[akrunner88]

Medical costs in the US are so high precisely because we do have insurance networks and no control over prescription drug price gouging, which raises the costs for everyone.

Bernie's plan, while requiring a tax increase will eliminate premiums, deductibles, monthly insurance amounts that come out of your paycheck, etc and will save everyone thousands of dollars over the course of ones lifetime.

Most countries have recognized these savings which is why the US is the only major 1st world country that stands alone as far as our healthcare system goes. Certain industries operate better when privatized and certain industries operate better when ran by the government, and healthcare is one of those industries because the lack of controls in place in the private sector allow prices to run rampant.

Our healthcare prices trickle into the rest of the economy for people who would otherwise have more discretionary spending now having to devote their income towards taking care of themselves and their families. Single payer healthcare is just smart, and quite frankly it's conservative in that it cuts the price down and benefits the economy as a whole.

 

[Port & Starboard]

Economists know the economy far better than the Waltons or Kochs. None of your belly aching can change that fact.

Wages are supposed to work on supply and demand. There are job search frictions. In an inflated labor supply, job search frictions are large for prospective employees and small for companies looking to hire. That's the rigged game they've had to bargain from thanks to failed trickle down stupidity.

Liberals want to make American labor more competitive by taking the burden of healthcare off of the employer. Many conservatives want to stop them because they're obstinate morons.

Sanders does not want to punish investment. That's just talking point nonsense. Taxes are not punishments, they give you the society around you, that society is necessary for anyone to generate wealth. I understand that the world is just so big and so many people have such feeble little minds, but that's no excuse to attempt the same failed policies that have made life so unnecessarily miserable in this country for 40+ years.

Taking the burden off employers? Try again.

 

[Absentglare]

You mean wouldn't it be nice if we could just make other people shoulder the cost of our personal stuff.

Lol not at all. Wouldn't it be nice if we would bother to invest in our own shared prosperity instead of making a miserable world of billionaires and paupers ?

Those voters aren't all that dumb. They vote for the person who promises to give them the most stuff.

If your conspiracy theory had merit, we'd have wealthy poor people and our wealthy would be suffering. Care to guess which direction that relationship goes ?? One way, the poor are meat the rich do eat.

 

[poweRob]

Taking the burden off employers? Try again.

Employers right now for a family making $50,000 pay $12,000. Under Bernie's plan employers would pay close to $3,000.

 

[Absentglare]

Of course it doesn't. That's the problem. It should. No one, said, at least not me,that taxes should never be raised. Where did you get that idea?

No, it shouldn't. That's a ridiculously stupid idea and i can't think of a reputable economist who has pushed for a balanced budget.

If we don't deficit spend, our economy will contract due to the trade imbalance alone. That's a fact, jack.

 

[Henrin]

Lol not at all. Wouldn't it be nice if we would bother to invest in our own shared prosperity instead of making a miserable world of billionaires and paupers ?

I like to make up my own mind on what investments I want to make. I guess if you're like twelve it's fine if other people are making those kind of decisions for you, but adults should really decide on their own what investments they want to make.

 

[Absentglare]

:lol: Dishonest much?



So again, how is it constitutional to tax rich people a higher rate than poor people?

We don't really do that ANYWAY :



In every segment, the people pay out in taxes roughly the same proportion of income they receive. It deviates by less than 2%.

Total taxes include things OTHER THAN the FIT. The FIT is basically the only way to ensure that rich people pay their fair share in our current system.

 

[Absentglare]

yea the same economists that kept going yeah we are at the bottom of the recession for 3 years straight.
you mean those economists? ok sure thing.



typing nonsense in an attempt to make it sound like something is still nonsense.
from 2009 really there has been a glut of labor. that has caused salary to go down.
now that companies are hiring more people again wages are increasing.



that is why sanders is going to add an addition 6% payroll tax to employers so that he takes the burden off of them.
that pretty much is the opposite of taking the burden off of them but it does put the burden on the workers, and consumers because
companies aren't going to pay that workers and consumes are.

the typical liberal ad honimen why? because we know they can't defend this stupidity just like they can't defend obamacare and it's ever increasing costs
and prices.



LOL taxes dont' generate that. companies employing people make that. you are just the copy cat liberal. spout the same garbage over and over again.
you didn't build that.

yes liberal policies have made peoples lives miserable for the past 40 years and now they want to double down to the tune of 18 trillion more dollars.

Oh, you can cherry pick economists who make projections that end up being false? Well, in that case, why don't we just throw all of science and human history out the window ?!?!??!?? LOL give me a break, the idea that economists know less about the economy than you do because of imperfect predictive capacity is ****ing stupid.

No **** labor generally follows supply and demand. You're just failing to account for the non-idealities of reality, that very aspect which employers abuse as leverage over employees to give deflated wages.

I don't agree with all of Sanders plans. But he's the only candidate on either side of the aisle that takes the economy seriously.

Blaming all the worlds problems on liberals is more of this nonsensical anti-liberal prejudice bull**** and i don't feel compelled to address it any further.

 

[Absentglare]

This is deficit on top of current deficit. Take this much out of the hands of those who create wealth and it is even a BIGGER deficit. A family of 4 is already paying a whopping amount to service current Federal debt.

They aren't paying a dime to service debt. That analogy is completely wrong. It underscores a fundamental misunderstanding of how banking, fiat currency, and monetarily sovereign states operate.

 

[Absentglare]

I like to make up my own mind on what investments I want to make. I guess if you're like twelve it's fine if other people are making those kind of decisions for you, but adults should really decide on their own what investments they want to make.

The government is the will of the people. The will of the people get to define what services the government provides.

If you don't like it, there's a simple ****ing solution that should be immediately apparent to you.

 

[justabubba]

They aren't paying a dime to service debt. That analogy is completely wrong. It underscores a fundamental misunderstanding of how banking, fiat currency, and monetarily sovereign states operate.

you would make similar inroads explaining subatomic physics
don't get frustrated; recognize your 'audience'

 

[Henrin]

The government is the will of the people. The will of the people get to define what services the government provides.

If you don't like it, there's a simple ****ing solution that should be immediately apparent to you.

Why is that always the excuse? Why is it that the will of the people gets to take my money to pay for their personal matters? Why in the **** would I care about their personal matters and why would I want to pay for them?

And the government is not the will of the people. Go ahead and tell me what percentage of the people wanted Obamacare or go ahead and tell me what percentage of the people support the Patriot act or the TSA.

 

[Absentglare]

Why is that always the excuse? Why is it that the will of the people gets to take my money to pay for their personal matters? Why in the **** would I care about their personal matters and why would I want to pay for them?

And the government is not the will of the people. Go ahead and tell me what percentage of the people wanted Obamacare or go ahead and tell me what percentage of the people support the Patriot act or the TSA.

They don't collect your money. They collect their taxes.