Benham Brothers Speak Out on HGTV Show Being Canned: We're Committed to Biblical Prin

[CriticalThought]

Re: Benham Brothers Speak Out on HGTV Show Being Canned: We're Committed to Biblical

Meh...the network has the right to not put them on because of their beliefs. Whats comical is the number of people that find their vocal chords when conservative leaning folks are opposed to gay marriage but managed to vote a guy in to the White House that had the exact same beliefs. Its funny how subjective those pesky 'values' can be.

This is factually wrong. Obama supported civil unions and a number of gay rights reforms even if he did not support same sex marriage. These men adamantly opposed any legal recognition of same sex relationships or advancement of gay rights. Soooo...you are wrong.

 

[VanceMack]

Re: Benham Brothers Speak Out on HGTV Show Being Canned: We're Committed to Biblical

This is factually wrong. Obama supported civil unions and a number of gay rights reforms even if he did not support same sex marriage. These men adamantly opposed any legal recognition of same sex relationships or advancement of gay rights. Soooo...you are wrong.

Obama was outright opposed to gay marriage, said clearly his position was that actual marriage should be between man and woman with God thrown into the mix, and declared to him it was a question of morality (hence...gays are immoral). His default bailout political position on civil unions is no different than the vast majority of republicans that oppose gay marriage but support civil unions. Pro gay marriage types celebrate Obama's position as if it were an enlightened position yet vilify the others as being bigoted and hateful. They are hypocrites and in 3 little words...full of ****. Nothing personal.

 

[Sababa]

Re: Benham Brothers Speak Out on HGTV Show Being Canned: We're Committed to Biblical

Obama was outright opposed to gay marriage, said clearly his position was that actual marriage should be between man and woman with God thrown into the mix, and declared to him it was a question of morality (hence...gays are immoral). His default bailout political position on civil unions is no different than the vast majority of republicans that oppose gay marriage but support civil unions. Pro gay marriage types celebrate Obama's position as if it were an enlightened position yet vilify the others as being bigoted and hateful. They are hypocrites and in 3 little words...full of ****. Nothing personal.

no the President at the time was stating his belief that marriage and sanctioned relationships could be two different things, separate but equal. I don't recall him making a moral argument so if you have that reference please produce it. As for the "vast majority of republicans that oppose gay marriage but support civil unions" how do you make this statement when time and again elected officials are trying to outlaw anything to even looks like marriage in places like Indiana and Arizona?

The difference between the President's old position and things like this are that the President struggled openly with it and NEVER I repeat NEVER said hateful things about gay people. You can't say that about the many on the right.

I guess lying about us and the President doesn't have to be taken personal. I usually give a pass to abject ignorance. But I have to say if you want to debate this thread how about stay on topic.

 

[VanceMack]

Re: Benham Brothers Speak Out on HGTV Show Being Canned: We're Committed to Biblical

no the President at the time was stating his belief that marriage and sanctioned relationships could be two different things, separate but equal. I don't recall him making a moral argument so if you have that reference please produce it. As for the "vast majority of republicans that oppose gay marriage but support civil unions" how do you make this statement when time and again elected officials are trying to outlaw anything to even looks like marriage in places like Indiana and Arizona?

The difference between the President's old position and things like this are that the President struggled openly with it and NEVER I repeat NEVER said hateful things about gay people. You can't say that about the many on the right.

I guess lying about us and the President doesn't have to be taken personal. I usually give a pass to abject ignorance. But I have to say if you want to debate this thread how about stay on topic.

Barack Obama stated quite clearly his reason to being opposed to gay marriage. His opinion was not much different from most conservatives. Time and time again it has been expressed on THIS site by people like me and others that we have nothing but love for individuals that happen to be gay and which for their happiness...we simply believe gay marriage is wrong. The response is universally "**** you, I hate you, you are a bigot." The response is "**** you! We wont tolerate intolerance and bigotry". Of course...that response INVARIABLY comes from people like you that excuse Obama's IDENTICAL position.

So...yeah...you know what that makes you.

 

[Sababa]

Re: Benham Brothers Speak Out on HGTV Show Being Canned: We're Committed to Biblical

Barack Obama stated quite clearly his reason to being opposed to gay marriage. His opinion was not much different from most conservatives.

then you won't mind posting the quote that leads you to believe that.

Time and time again it has been expressed on THIS site by people like me and others that we have nothing but love for individuals that happen to be gay and which for their happiness.

Yet you deny them the same rights as straight people and unlike the President don't want to learn why you are wrong.

..we simply believe gay marriage is wrong.

Make a rationale argument as to why that is.

The response is universally "**** you, I hate you, you are a bigot."

that is not mine. I don't say that you are a bigot until you say something bigoted. I don't need to seek out bigotry, I know plenty of people who oppose gay marriage but are willing to talk about it, I don't understand them. But when you suggest that gay people don't have the right to marriage without reason then that is bigoted.

The response is "**** you! We wont tolerate intolerance and bigotry". Of course...that response INVARIABLY comes from people like you that excuse Obama's IDENTICAL position.

I didnt I was one of the people who questioned him about this.

So...yeah...you know what that makes you.

far more informed than you are.

 

[sangha]

Re: Benham Brothers Speak Out on HGTV Show Being Canned: We're Committed to Biblical

As for the "vast majority of republicans that oppose gay marriage but support civil unions" how do you make this statement when time and again elected officials are trying to outlaw anything to even looks like marriage in places like Indiana and Arizona?

The right has passed laws, including state constitutional amendments that ban SSM's and civil unions

List of U.S. state constitutional amendments banning same-sex unions by type - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They claim that they've always supported same-sex civil unions because they know they're losing and because they're ashamed of their own ignorance

 

[CriticalThought]

Re: Benham Brothers Speak Out on HGTV Show Being Canned: We're Committed to Biblical

Obama was outright opposed to gay marriage, said clearly his position was that actual marriage should be between man and woman with God thrown into the mix, and declared to him it was a question of morality (hence...gays are immoral). His default bailout political position on civil unions is no different than the vast majority of republicans that oppose gay marriage but support civil unions. Pro gay marriage types celebrate Obama's position as if it were an enlightened position yet vilify the others as being bigoted and hateful. They are hypocrites and in 3 little words...full of ****. Nothing personal.

True, it is hypocritical to villify those who support gay rights in general but do not support same sex marriage while praising people like Obama or Clinton who also opposed same-sex marriage but a few years ago.

This is just not one of those cases.

 

[VanceMack]

Re: Benham Brothers Speak Out on HGTV Show Being Canned: We're Committed to Biblical

then you won't mind posting the quote that leads you to believe that.



Yet you deny them the same rights as straight people and unlike the President don't want to learn why you are wrong.



Make a rationale argument as to why that is.



that is not mine. I don't say that you are a bigot until you say something bigoted. I don't need to seek out bigotry, I know plenty of people who oppose gay marriage but are willing to talk about it, I don't understand them. But when you suggest that gay people don't have the right to marriage without reason then that is bigoted.




I didnt I was one of the people who questioned him about this.



far more informed than you are.

There ya go. you prove my point. My position is IDENTICAL to the position Obama took on gay marriage right up until he needed to exploit the homosexual community vote and campaign contributions...and yet...he was elected with enthusiasm with that same viewpoint.

so...yeah...you are still 'that guy'.



:42

 

[Sababa]

Re: Benham Brothers Speak Out on HGTV Show Being Canned: We're Committed to Biblical

There ya go. you prove my point. My position is IDENTICAL to the position Obama took on gay marriage right up until he needed to exploit the homosexual community vote and campaign contributions...and yet...he was elected with enthusiasm with that same viewpoint.

so...yeah...you are still 'that guy'.



:42

He didn't say it was a moral issue in fact he said that ethics require us to grant them the same rights even if we don't call it marriage. Of course this was 2004 and most people haven't heard him before. He allowed himself to be educated.

So if you agree with the 2004 position of the President then you will oppose all the state Constitution amendments that make civil union illegal. Thanks, help me overturn those.

 

[VanceMack]

Benham Brothers Speak Out on HGTV Show Being Canned: We're Committed to Bibli...

He didn't say it was a moral issue in fact he said that ethics require us to grant them the same rights even if we don't call it marriage. Of course this was 2004 and most people haven't heard him before. He allowed himself to be educated.

So if you agree with the 2004 position of the President then you will oppose all the state Constitution amendments that make civil union illegal. Thanks, help me overturn those.

Yes he did. It is a question of morality. And he didn't change his position til 2012 and then only AFTER the New York Times posted a story stating the gay community was withholding campaign cash and was willing to sit out the 2012 election. Face facts. His position was no different than the majority of people that oppose gay marriage.

As for the overturning state constitutions...nope...I'm still with Obama on this one. It's a states issue. Personally...I'm fine with civil unions and protections and while I would vote against it, won't be all that concerned if gay marriage is legal.

 

[Davo The Mavo]

Re: Benham Brothers Speak Out on HGTV Show Being Canned: We're Committed to Biblical

I dont care that Obama was goaded into changing his position on gay marriage (though he still believes homosexuals are 'immoral') or that he pandered to the gay community for cash and votes prior to an election. I dont care that you have changed your position. I dont really give half a **** that the hypocrites will blindly follow and excuse any democrat that dares to disagree with gay marriage or that they ignore the large numbers of blacks and Hispanics that disagree with gay marriage and that they only manage to voice their contempt and outrage when it is a white conservative. I dont care...but I do frankly think it is funny as hell. Transparent...sure. Embarrassing...well...it SHOULD be. But no less...funny as hell.

I honestly did not think you would care about how I changed my position, I was just trying to make the point that people change. Mitt was for Obamacare before he was against it. Some folks were pro choice and they became pro life. Also, people vote for folks who are bad for them all the time. Log Cabin Republicans for instance . . . sort of like minimum wage workers voting GOP. It happens all the time. I wonder when white conservatives started getting picked on . . . I still haven't seen it.

 

[Sababa]

Re: Benham Brothers Speak Out on HGTV Show Being Canned: We're Committed to Bibli...

Yes he did. It is a question of morality. And he didn't change his position til 2012 and then only AFTER the New York Times posted a story stating the gay community was withholding campaign cash and was willing to sit out the 2012 election. Face facts. His position was no different than the majority of people that oppose gay marriage.

nope, didn't say it was a moral issue, he said it was an issue of tradition and his answer was focusing on trying to create a system that was the same as marriage. Sorry.

As for the overturning state constitutions...nope...I'm still with Obama on this one. It's a states issue.

but it isn't and shouldn't be and Obama agrees with me. Obama: 'We Cannot Discriminate Against Same-Sex Couples When It Comes To Marriage'

Personally...I'm fine with civil unions and protections and while I would vote against it, won't be all that concerned if gay marriage is legal.

then why are you lying about it.

 

[VanceMack]

Re: Benham Brothers Speak Out on HGTV Show Being Canned: We're Committed to Biblical

I honestly did not think you would care about how I changed my position, I was just trying to make the point that people change. Mitt was for Obamacare before he was against it. Some folks were pro choice and they became pro life. Also, people vote for folks who are bad for them all the time. Log Cabin Republicans for instance . . . sort of like minimum wage workers voting GOP. It happens all the time. I wonder when white conservatives started getting picked on . . . I still haven't seen it.

If you dont see it you are blind. Black ministers came out en masse against the presidents announcement in support of maybe not having gay marriage be against the law...sort of (a 'ringing' endorsement if ever there was one) and the gay community never said a word. In California, even though blacks and gays voted against gay marriage, the only people the gay community could muster upset over was the LDS church. An openly gay candidate for mayor in the south gets murdered and its a 'cause'. Turns out the murderer was a young black guy...oh...****...never mind.

Look...you can pretend it isnt what it is. Dont give a damn. It still is what it is.

 

[VanceMack]

Re: Benham Brothers Speak Out on HGTV Show Being Canned: We're Committed to Bibli...

nope, didn't say it was a moral issue, he said it was an issue of tradition and his answer was focusing on trying to create a system that was the same as marriage. Sorry.




but it isn't and shouldn't be and Obama agrees with me. Obama: 'We Cannot Discriminate Against Same-Sex Couples When It Comes To Marriage'



then why are you lying about it.

Really? DO you want to pretend that Obama has NOT come out in support of the states right to settle the marriage question and in OPPOSITION to a Constitutional amendment?

Really?

Face it. You are stuck defending a guy who up until he needed their votes had the exact same position on gay marriage as most conservatives. And you never said a ****ing word when it was him. Hell...you voted for him...you know...way back when he was a 'bigot'.

 

[sangha]

Re: Benham Brothers Speak Out on HGTV Show Being Canned: We're Committed to Bibli...

Face it. You are stuck defending a guy who up until he needed their votes had the exact same position on gay marriage as most conservatives.

The video you posted of Obama and Keyes clearly shows that they did not have the exact same position.

 

[Sababa]

Re: Benham Brothers Speak Out on HGTV Show Being Canned: We're Committed to Bibli...

Really? DO you want to pretend that Obama has NOT come out in support of the states right to settle the marriage question and in OPPOSITION to a Constitutional amendment?

Didn't read the link eh? He intervened against Prop 8.

Really?

I showed proof he intervened.

Face it. You are stuck defending a guy who up until he needed their votes had the exact same position on gay marriage as most conservatives.

no most conservatives were working against civil unions

And you never said a ****ing word when it was him. Hell...you voted for him...you know...way back when he was a 'bigot'.

Ignorant statement of the day

 

[VanceMack]

Re: Benham Brothers Speak Out on HGTV Show Being Canned: We're Committed to Bibli...

The video you posted of Obama and Keyes clearly shows that they did not have the exact same position.

Correct. Keyes was open and direct about his and Obama did his usual political dance trying to minimize the political damage of his position. But then...I didnt say Keyes and Obama had the same political position on gay marriage.

 

[VanceMack]

Re: Benham Brothers Speak Out on HGTV Show Being Canned: We're Committed to Biblical

The right has passed laws, including state constitutional amendments that ban SSM's and civil unions

List of U.S. state constitutional amendments banning same-sex unions by type - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They claim that they've always supported same-sex civil unions because they know they're losing and because they're ashamed of their own ignorance

YoU DO get that democrats vote for those laws as well, and in fact a democrat president signed a few pretty definitive acts against gay marriage...right? And that Hilary was against before she was for it (as long as it is politically expedient) as was B-Rock, Bill, et al?

 

[VanceMack]

Re: Benham Brothers Speak Out on HGTV Show Being Canned: We're Committed to Bibli...

Didn't read the link eh? He intervened against Prop 8.



I showed proof he intervened.



no most conservatives were working against civil unions

Ignorant statement of the day

Transcript: Robin Roberts ABC News Interview With President Obama - ABC News

Factual statements sting you...dont they. Truth is what it is. You eat it and smile when it is a democrat...and manage outrage when it is a conservative. You are what you are.

 

[Sababa]

Re: Benham Brothers Speak Out on HGTV Show Being Canned: We're Committed to Bibli...

Transcript: Robin Roberts ABC News Interview With President Obama - ABC News

Factual statements sting you...dont they. Truth is what it is. You eat it and smile when it is a democrat...and manage outrage when it is a conservative. You are what you are.

So because he says it is traditional a state issue during the election but he did in fact file an amicus brief against Prop 8 using Federal power to influence a state position on the issue.

He never said it was a moral issue, you lied.

His view the it is a state issue is mitigated by the fact that the states are acting in an unconstitutional manner which makes if federal.

You are not being honest and insulting me...that is your problem.

 

[sangha]

Re: Benham Brothers Speak Out on HGTV Show Being Canned: We're Committed to Bibli...

Correct. Keyes was open and direct about his and Obama did his usual political dance trying to minimize the political damage of his position. But then...I didnt say Keyes and Obama had the same political position on gay marriage.

Correct. You said that Obama had "the exact same position on same sex marriage"

The thing is, you're wrong about that.

For example, Keyes think SSM leads inevitably to incest. Obama does not.

 

[sangha]

Re: Benham Brothers Speak Out on HGTV Show Being Canned: We're Committed to Biblical

YoU DO get that democrats vote for those laws as well, and in fact a democrat president signed a few pretty definitive acts against gay marriage...right? And that Hilary was against before she was for it (as long as it is politically expedient) as was B-Rock, Bill, et al?

I see, as I expected you would, you've gone from "The majority of repubs supported civil unions" to "well, some dems opposed civil unions too"

The way you've run away from your claim about how the repubs supported civil unions is proof of how ridiculous your claim is

 

[VanceMack]

Re: Benham Brothers Speak Out on HGTV Show Being Canned: We're Committed to Biblical

I see, as I expected you would, you've gone from "The majority of repubs supported civil unions" to "well, some dems opposed civil unions too"

The way you've run away from your claim about how the repubs supported civil unions is proof of how ridiculous your claim is

Ive not run from the claim at all. My comment was in direct response to your mindless and one sided commentary on republicans opposing gay marriage (which merely proves what I have been saying all along).

 

[VanceMack]

Re: Benham Brothers Speak Out on HGTV Show Being Canned: We're Committed to Bibli...

Correct. You said that Obama had "the exact same position on same sex marriage"

The thing is, you're wrong about that.

For example, Keyes think SSM leads inevitably to incest. Obama does not.

Again...you are mistaken. I never said ANYTHING about Keyes. I said Obama shared the same position as I did. You can go ahead keep on making up **** if you would like...but you will simply continue to prove my points.

The difference of course being that when Obama held the same position on gay marriage that I did (you know...right up until he needed to pander to the gay community prior to an election) people like you would decry my position as bigoted but would excuse and justify Obama's position.

 

[VanceMack]

Re: Benham Brothers Speak Out on HGTV Show Being Canned: We're Committed to Bibli...

So because he says it is traditional a state issue during the election but he did in fact file an amicus brief against Prop 8 using Federal power to influence a state position on the issue.

He never said it was a moral issue, you lied.

His view the it is a state issue is mitigated by the fact that the states are acting in an unconstitutional manner which makes if federal.

You are not being honest and insulting me...that is your problem.

Thats a pretty laughable statement. Is it his position or not? Has he taken the position that it is a states rights issue or not?