Ben Crump Arrives.......the Circus Begins.

[Vox]

Can we....forget color? For, like....a minute?


What does it have to do with this? I guy argued with a lady parked in a handicapped spot. Argument got nasty, the boyfriend came out, and the argument got even nastier, name calling, etc. Then it got physical. Who initiated that?

Color is involved because blacks are more likely to get violent.

Look at the statistics from the Chicago urban ghetto.

Violence is a way of life in such places.......and life is just not that way for whites--proven by the fact that we are so naive as to believe we can inform someone that they are in a handicapped space and not get brutally attacked.

 

[Mustachio]

What caused the shooting was that the big black was advancing to press his attack when the gun was drawn.

The fact that he took a sidestep and turned when he saw the gun is irrelevant......he had already inflicted the fear in a man down and vulnerable.

The outcome was set at that point.

The big black? So he's not a person to you, just a big shape colored black that's really scary and wants to kill you because he's one of those big black things.

 

[Vox]

There is no reason to believe the Black guy was going to kill him over this argument.

There is no way to know that.

However, it is reasonable for a man to believe that he is in danger of great bodily harm when a big black man is advancing on him after slamming him to the pavement.

Thus he is justified and not arrested.

 

[Vox]

How many street brawls have you seen? Now imagine what happens if the loser of the street brawl had a gun.

I'm not taking sides here. I don't think the shooter should be charged with murder because it was a split second decision. I think this is what happens when people walk around with guns. Small confrontations become deadly.

Deadly for the aggressor........thank God in this case.

"Be not afraid of any man

No matter what his size

If danger threatens, call on me

And I will equalize."

--Samuel Colt

BTW, this was not a "street brawl."

It was an unprovoked, vicious, brutal and cowardly attack.

 

[Vox]

If someone pushes you, would you draw and shoot them?

In this case the cops have determined that shooting was justified.

It's the law.

Maybe (we can hope) other thugs will learn from the tragedy and hesitate to resort immediately to violence.

 

[Vox]

That's where stand your ground laws get fuzzy in my opinion. If someone gets confrontational how does one quantify "fear of death or great bodily harm"? Someone may push me and I can fear for my life based on the assumption the other person is going to kill me or seriously harm me. It seems like a very broad premise to justify the potential execution of another person.

You fear for your life based on the strength of the push and an advance to press the attack while you are on the ground.

One kick can be lethal.

 

[Vox]

I stated the attack wasn't justified, but the picture you painted as it being "unprovoked" wasn't honest either. I don't think men would take kindly of some other man yelling at their wife, and that the shooter was continuing the confrontation (and having a history of doing this) would make me question his decision making skills.

If a man is yelling at your wife you yell at him. If he attacks you.....you defend yourself.

This thug just went immediately to physical violence with an act that could have been lethal if the old guy hit his head on the concrete.

 

[Vox]

Would you shoot someone who pushed you?

He could have pointed the gun and told the guy to back off. Any way you look at it, it was a bad shooting. It won't surprise me if gets charged because I clearly see the Black guy back off. Are you going to deny what the video clearly shows?

I see the Black guy push the man, then the Black guy pulls up his pants and backs away as the White dude draws his gun.

You neglected to mention the part where the thug steps TOWARD the man on the ground while pulling up his pants.

That's what caused the gun to come out.

 

[Vox]

You're just speculating. The video doesn't show any intent to do anything beyond a push.

Again......you fail to mention the step forward TOWARD the man on the ground.

 

[Vox]

The big black? So he's not a person to you, just a big shape colored black that's really scary and wants to kill you because he's one of those big black things.

He's a dead person to me.

That, in this case, is exactly as it should be.

He didn't have to be a scary black thing.......he CHOSE to be when he made the decision to attack.

 

[Vox]

I can visualize this played out in a civilized fashion......

With Danny Glover playing the black guy.

He comes out, walks up to the white guy and says, "Hey, little man......slow down. Why so upset? We're sorry. We'll move the car."

Does the annoying little white man shoot Danny Glover?

Nope.

That's called civilized behavior.

 

[ultmd]

Well, if Jesse Jackson and "The Rev" Al Sharpton and the entire Thugville crew show up.........then we'll know for sure they're going try the same old crap.

They have their work cut out for them.

The video image of the big black guy smashing the smaller and older white guy to the pavement is a tough one to overcome.

The unprovoked attack is an embarrassment for blacks and not an image they want to showcase across America.

It just reinforces white America's image of black America--psychotically angry and violent (and dangerous).

Well these remarks, along with every one of your subsequent comments, clearly proves one thing.

You're just another angry white guy with some serious "issues" about race that cannot be excused. You seem to focus on your feelings of racial resentment in a lot of your "contributions" to this board.

The "circus" is embodied by clowns like you, who use tragedies like this one to vent your ignorance and bigotry.

 

[ElChupacabra]

You fear for your life based on the strength of the push and an advance to press the attack while you are on the ground.

One kick can be lethal.

Well in that case any physical altercation could be seen as a potential justified shooting right? I don't know if when a guy swings at my he could kill me, so shoot first ask questions later I suppose.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

This means the circus is starting.......and there will be fundraisers to get Crump a bunch of money.

I hope CNN carries Crump's news conference this morning.

It will be interesting to see how he plans to play this.

The video image of the big black guy smashing the smaller and older white guy to the pavement is a tough one to overcome.

But Crump will get paid a lot of money no matter what happens.


https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/...esenting-girlfriend-in-stand-your-ground-case

 

[Mustachio]

He's a dead person to me.

That, in this case, is exactly as it should be.

He didn't have to be a scary black thing.......he CHOSE to be when he made the decision to attack.

You were describing a living human being as a thing. He pushed a guy. Have you ever pushed a person. Does that mean you are now "that white thing" or whatever color your skin is?

I'm not defending his actions. I'm defending his right to be acknowledged as a human being, something you don't seem too keen on doing. It's ironic that so many people who berate those who push others teach their children to stand up for themselves and get into fights so they know others shouldn't mess with them.

 

[Vox]

You were describing a living human being as a thing. He pushed a guy. Have you ever pushed a person. Does that mean you are now "that white thing" or whatever color your skin is?

I'm not defending his actions. I'm defending his right to be acknowledged as a human being, something you don't seem too keen on doing. It's ironic that so many people who berate those who push others teach their children to stand up for themselves and get into fights so they know others shouldn't mess with them.

Like I said.........He didn't have to be a scary black thing.......he CHOSE to be when he made the decision to attack.

 

[Vox]

Well in that case any physical altercation could be seen as a potential justified shooting right? I don't know if when a guy swings at my he could kill me, so shoot first ask questions later I suppose.

It depends. Are you equally matched physically with your attacker? Does he have friends who may join in the attack? Many variables.

Problem is.......you may find out too late that in a split second decision you made a wrong decision.

Better at least be down on the pavement.......preferably bleeding.

 

[Vox]

You're just another angry white guy with some serious "issues" about race that cannot be excused.

You have no idea whether or not I'm angry. I don't feel a bit angry.

I call it realism. America's racial issues are huge right now......and this latest shooting is just another example.

Your namecalling pegs you as just another well-intentioned but unrealistic snowflake playing holier than thou.

I hope you feel better now after trashing me.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

In this case the cops have determined that shooting was justified.

It's the law.

Maybe (we can hope) other thugs will learn from the tragedy and hesitate to resort immediately to violence.

I think the lesson is that the Black guy and his girlfriend should have had guns too and we could have had a nice shootout.

I don't care what happens in Florida anymore. Republicans are morons. The law is stupid. I figure when enough people get shot they'll finally come to their senses.

 

[Casper]

This means the circus is starting.......and there will be fundraisers to get Crump a bunch of money.

I hope CNN carries Crump's news conference this morning.

It will be interesting to see how he plans to play this.

The video image of the big black guy smashing the smaller and older white guy to the pavement is a tough one to overcome.

But Crump will get paid a lot of money no matter what happens.


https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/...esenting-girlfriend-in-stand-your-ground-case

Was the shooter still in danger, did the shooter instigate the confrontation, state law aside I can see a civil case and winning.

 

[Vox]

I think the lesson is that the Black guy and his girlfriend should have had guns too and we could have had a nice shootout.

I don't care what happens in Florida anymore. Republicans are morons. The law is stupid. I figure when enough people get shot they'll finally come to their senses.

Actually, you're wrong.

Most of the Republicans I know are not morons.

Lots of them are pretty smart.

If the black guy and his girl had been armed with better manners none of this would have happened.

 

[ultmd]

You have no idea whether or not I'm angry. I don't feel a bit angry.

...says almost every angry little bigot in the world.

Of course you are angry. If you don't realize that much, then you are also emotionally detached.

I call it realism. America's racial issues are huge right now......and this latest shooting is just another example.

Ahh...Of course you do. But you're not a bigot, right?:roll:

Your namecalling pegs you as just another well-intentioned but unrealistic snowflake playing holier than thou.

It's not name-calling. It's truth-calling. You are exactly what you present yourself to be in this thread. It's always cowardly anonymous people like you who go around spewing racial insults and other "tough talk" on message boards like this one. The irony of it, of course, is that you're the first to whine and complain and play "victim". It just pegs you as a weak and gutless alt-rightie.

I hope you feel better now after trashing me.

:lamo I feel that you are an embarrassment to the "White America" that you have pretended (and claimed) to represent throughout this thread.

 

[Vox]

Was the shooter still in danger, did the shooter instigate the confrontation, state law aside I can see a civil case and winning.

Wrong.

If he were arrested the prosecution would have to prove that he didn't feel he was in danger of great bodily injury.

That's the law.

If they bring a civil suit it is hampered by FL law and precedent, but if it succeeded it would be appealed to the Trump Supreme Court.

 

[Vox]

...says almost every angry little bigot in the world.

Of course you are angry. If you don't realize that much, then you are also emotionally detached.

Ahh...Of course you do. But you're not a bigot, right?

It's not name-calling. It's truth-calling. You are exactly what you present yourself to be in this thread. It's always cowardly anonymous people like you who go around spewing racial insults and other "tough talk" on message boards like this one. The irony of it, of course, is that you're the first to whine and complain and play "victim". It just pegs you as a weak and gutless alt-rightie.
I feel that you are an embarrassment to the "White America" that you have pretended (and claimed) to represent throughout this thread.

No.......that was namecalling and personal attack. It happens when people get soundly trounced in an honest debate.

And it's done by people with low self-esteem because it makes them feel better about themselves.

As I said......I hope you feel better.

You appear to need it a lot.

 

[Casper]

Wrong.

If he were arrested the prosecution would have to prove that he didn't feel he was in danger of great bodily injury.

That's the law.

If they bring a civil suit it is hampered by FL law and precedent, but if it succeeded it would be appealed to the Trump Supreme Court.

Wrong, you do not seem to grasp the difference between criminal and civil court, many don't, meh...