Being Black Cost Obama 4 Points

[calamity]

I'm being rational here.

I mean my God, it's not always about race and your reasoning that just because an individual is black than 'anytime someone looks at them cross eyed it must be because they are racist' just doesn't fly. It isn't rational, it isn't proof.

And, why do you think everyone knows about the Black athlete killing his beautiful Blonde white ex-wife more so than they do the countless white men who murdered their ex-wives?

 

[calamity]

I'm being rational here.

I mean my God, it's not always about race and your reasoning that just because an individual is black than 'anytime someone looks at them cross eyed it must be because they are racist' just doesn't fly. It isn't rational, it isn't proof.

No. But this thread is about race and the inherent disadvantages a Black presidential candidate has over white ones---four points I believe.

 

[Dr. Chuckles]

Race wasn't highlighted though...

Sure it is: white lettering for the whites, black lettering for the blacks.

Seems way too coincidental to be an accident

There's nothing demeaning about race so to come to the conclusion that it had anything to do with racism is just ridiculous.

I'm not following. If it was merely the citation of on then I think it could be easily doubted that there was some racial message there. But with the visual aid of the lettering underlying the race of the individuals, it becomes much more difficult

 

[JayDubya]

And, why do you think everyone knows about the Black athlete killing his beautiful Blonde white ex-wife more so than they do the countless white men who murdered their ex-wives?

Because he was a celebrity, popular sports figure, actor, commercial spokesman whom everyone knew and then his wife turned up dead and then he ran and then despite a mountain of evidence he didn't get convicted?

You wonder why people remember that story? :lamo No, you don't, you're just trying to make hay.



Yeah, I'm sure no one would have cared if he were white and his wife were asian or something. Suuuuuuure. :roll:

No. But this thread is about race and the inherent disadvantages a Black presidential candidate has over white ones---four points I believe.

You can't actually believe the ridiculous model that you cited.

 

[calamity]

I think these issues tend to fall in the laps of two types of people: those that see racism in everything, and those that never see it.

Most thinking people tend to wish those two groups would just go home and deal with their issues privately

Considering I came across that picture because the person who posted it in another forum has a history of pushing borderline racist images, I say maybe I am a bit prejudiced on this one. Nonetheless, there does appear to be a problem with Whites failing to recognize racially offensive material, which sort of makes sense I guess.

 

[calamity]

Because he was a celebrity, popular sports figure, actor, commercial spokesman whom everyone knew and then his wife turned up dead and then he ran and then despite a mountain of evidence he didn't get convicted?

You wonder why people remember that story? :lamo No, you don't, you're just trying to make hay.



Yeah, I'm sure no one would have cared if he were white and his wife were asian or something. Suuuuuuure. :roll:




You can't actually believe the ridiculous model that you cited.

Then why isn't this guy's murder case as well known and his a household name?

He was famous, more so than OJ pre-murder trail, actually.

 

[JayDubya]

Having never seen anything with Robert Blake in it, I do recall a large amount of media coverage for his trial just the same.

Personally, didn't mean as much to me because I had never seen him acting silly with Leslie Nielsen (knowing he's a sociopath thug IRL just ruins those Police Squad movies).

 

[calamity]

Having never seen anything with Robert Blake in it, I do recall a large amount of media coverage for his trial just the same.

Personally, didn't mean as much to me because I had never seen him acting silly with Leslie Nielsen (knowing he's a sociopath thug IRL just ruins those Police Squad movies).

Hey we agree on something.

Robert Blake was pretty popular around the same time OJ was smashing records.Plus, I think he was a popular child actor as well. The parallels with his and the OJ case are rather interesting--clear down to the civil verdict.

Civil case
Bakley's three children filed a civil suit against Blake, asserting that he was responsible for their mother's death. On November 18, 2005, the jury found Blake liable for the wrongful death of his wife and ordered him to pay US$30 million. On February 3, 2006, Blake filed for bankruptcy. Expressing disbelief that Blake was found liable by the jury in the civil trial, Schwartzbach (Blake's attorney in the criminal trial) vowed to appeal the jury verdict.

The media could have just as easily given his case wall-to-wall coverage. But, they chose not to.

 

[Dr. Chuckles]

Then why isn't this guy's murder case as well known and his a household name?

He was famous, more so than OJ pre-murder trail, actually.

jesus christ, are we really going down to the point of claiming that the oj trial was a race issue?

 

[Dr. Chuckles]

Having never seen anything with Robert Blake

Yeah, never even heard of robert blake until now. The juice, on the other hand, was an iconic figure, that most people were more than aware of, long before the murder

 

[Dr. Chuckles]

Hey we agree on something.

Robert Blake was pretty popular around the same time OJ was smashing records

oj was considered one of the Best running backs ever. Obviously he's going to be more prominent than some guy who was a bit player on a TV series


Honestly, you seem like a race troll

 

[Taylor]

the difference here is that Obama was the first black candidate that could appeal to the mainstream.

That's probably because he was the first black candidate who was articulate, bright, and clean.

 

[Dr. Chuckles]

That's probably because he was the first black candidate who was articulate, bright, and clean.

or the first black candidate that based his campaign on more than catering to the black vote ...

But lets fault everything immediately to racism. That way we wont seem shallow and reactionary, and are not burdened with the task of actually trying to think

 

[VanceMack]

That's probably because he was the first black candidate who was articulate, bright, and clean.

Well spoken. Don't forget well spoken.

 

[OscarB63]

Are you somehow suggesting being Black is not a disadvantage?

suggesting that a white man with Obama's credentials would never have made it to the primary. and if he did, HRC would've wiped the floor with him.

 

[calamity]

suggesting that a white man with Obama's credentials would never have made it to the primary. and if he did, HRC would've wiped the floor with him.

IMO, Hillary began to slip on day-one when she gave her introduction speech in Selma the same day Obama did, and she screwed her's up. Is that an advantage for the Black dude? Sure.

Would a conservative white Senator, one who is believable and has an impeccable family life like Obama portrays himself to have, been accepted by the Dems and chosen over Hillary? Maybe. After all, people were more than ready to pick Edwards over Hillary--remember Edwards beat Hillary in Iowa.

Barack came up from the rear because he delivered a much more consistent message. Both Hillary and Edwards were considered frauds. Hillary because she was coat-tailing Bill and Edwards...well, you can't fool all the Americans all the time. And Edward's fooling days were numbered.

 

[calamity]

oj was considered one of the Best running backs ever. Obviously he's going to be more prominent than some guy who was a bit player on a TV series

Bit player on a TV series. It was his series. Robert Blake as Berreta in a series called "Berreta". Bit player indeed.

OJ retired in 1979. The murders happened in 1993. Most people probably had no idea who he was until he killed nichole...allegedly.

Honestly, you seem like a race troll

You seem like a race-denier.

 

[calamity]

jesus christ, are we really going down to the point of claiming that the oj trial was a race issue?

Are you actually going to argue it wasn't?? You're not making yourself very credible with comments like that.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/oj/themes/impact.html

The one thing that's amazing about the Simpson case ... [is that] no one's mind has changed in a decade. The whites who thought he was guilty haven't budged an inch, and the blacks who thought he was not guilty haven't budged an inch. They both saw the same program played out on American television, and they both had very different views about it.

And in both cases, their views were influenced by their experiences with race and their experience with the criminal justice system...

This case was a watershed case in an important respect: It placed the issue of race and justice squarely before the American public, and we had to confront the ugly underbelly of the criminal justice system.

:lol:

 

[OscarB63]

Bit player on a TV series. It was his series. Robert Blake as Berreta in a series called "Berreta". Bit player indeed.

Blake was in the little rascals in the late 30s. Barreta ran for 3 seasons, 75-78.

OJ retired in 1979. The murders happened in 1993. Most people probably had no idea who he was until he killed nichole...allegedly.

OJ was a heisman trophy winner, was a super star NFL player for 10 years, setting numerous records and was elected to the hall of fame in his first year of eligibility. he appeared in many TV commercials and had starring roles in several movies. He was also a commentator for monday night football. he was a freakin household name.



to compare Simpson's noteriety to that of Robert Blake is either stupid or dishonest...I'll let you decide which is applicable in this case.

 

[Dr. Chuckles]

Are you actually going to argue it wasn't?? You're not making yourself very credible with comments like that.
Analysis - The Trial's Significance And Lasting Impact | The O.j. Verdict | FRONTLINE | PBS


:lol:

you might notice he is talking about how people interpreted the case, based on their ethnic and racial background, not that it was note worthy due to race. Your claim was the later and is clearly not supported by the former.

 

[Dr. Chuckles]

Bit player on a TV series. It was his series. Robert Blake as Berreta in a series called "Berreta". Bit player indeed.

1) never heard of Berreta

2) I thought he played the side kick on the naked gun TV show

1 & 2 only highlight my point that he wasn't widely known, like OJ simpson, who was a sports icon.

OJ retired in 1979. The murders happened in 1993. Most people probably had no idea who he was until he killed nichole...allegedly.

again, he wasn't just some football player, he was considered one of the best RB ever and was an icon. People who had no interest in football even knew who the juice was. It's like how people still know who Larry Bird and Magic Johnston are, despite being retired for years and having no real interest in basketball

You seem like a race-denier.

But my arguments and points actually make sense ... So the counter doesn't work well

 

[calamity]

1) never heard of Berreta

2) I thought he played the side kick on the naked gun TV show

1 & 2 only highlight my point that he wasn't widely known, like OJ simpson, who was a sports icon.



again, he wasn't just some football player, he was considered one of the best RB ever and was an icon. People who had no interest in football even knew who the juice was. It's like how people still know who Larry Bird and Magic Johnston are, despite being retired for years and having no real interest in basketball





But my arguments and points actually make sense ... So the counter doesn't work well

Robert Blake played in 163 movies.
Robert Blake - IMDb

OJ played in 30.
O.J. Simpson - IMDb

You're arguing the average white housewife who went ape over OJ's acquittal knew him from his days with the Buffalo Bills? The Buffalo Bills??? GMAB. Some maybe recognized him from Hertz commercials, but very few knew who the hell he was until that murder trial and all the press surrounding it.

 

[OscarB63]

Robert Blake played in 163 movies.
Robert Blake - IMDb

OJ played in 30.
O.J. Simpson - IMDb

You're arguing the average white housewife who went ape over OJ's acquittal knew him from his days with the Buffalo Bills? The Buffalo Bills??? GMAB. Some maybe recognized him from Hertz commercials, but very few knew who the hell he was until that murder trial and all the press surrounding it.

give it up dude. white or black, everyone over the age of 10 knew who OJ Simpson was at the time of the murders. even in his prime, Robert Blake was not that famous.

you wanna talk about Baretta? hell, more people remember that damn bird than they do who played Baretta.

OJ = The Juice, superstar football player, the guy who ran through the airport in commercials
Robert Blake = wasn't he the guy with the bird in that TV show?

 

[iguanaman]

suggesting that a white man with Obama's credentials would never have made it to the primary. and if he did, HRC would've wiped the floor with him.

That is ridiculous. Obama's an incredible campaigner and even bigots admit that. Obama won despite his race, there is no doubt in my mind,

 

[Dr. Chuckles]

Robert Blake played in 163 movies.
Robert Blake - IMDb

OJ played in 30.
O.J. Simpson - IMDb

why would you quote movie credits, when his acting was just a byproduct of being a sports icon? This is like citing Mike Tyson's acting credits to prove that he's less famous than Frank Vincent

You're arguing the average white housewife who went ape over OJ's acquittal knew him from his days with the Buffalo Bills? The Buffalo Bills??? GMAB

No, I am pointing out that he was a famous sports icon who's fame transcended traditional boundaries of celebrity, and so was even well known outside of sports.

It's like how people who have no interest in basketball know who Micheal Jordan is and explains why, even long after retirement, he remains one of the most widely recognized Americans in the world