Basing your vote for President of the USA....on Israel

[Thunder]

so, on a local call in show, folks were talking about Super Tuesday, who they're gonna vote for, etc etc.

this one lady calls in, from the Upper West Side of Manhattan (Seinfeld-land), and talked about why she hates Obama. She must have said Israel........8 times. And when she wasn't talking about Israel, she was accusing Obama's whole cabinet..of being anti-Semitic. She included George Soros.

silliness aside, is it ok to base one's vote in the Presidential election of the United States, on who you think will be best for Israel?

shouldn't one vote for who they think will be best for America????

 

[mbig]

Like another of your recent strings..
http://www.debatepolitics.com/middle-east/120184-israeli-pm-wants-usa-threaten-iran.html
This is merely meant to inFlame American/Patriotic sentiment against 'Israel'.
"Seinfeld land"/"The West Side of Manhattan", I might add, goes beyond just 'Israel'.

You post Provocative or last-wording Garbage here.. hourly.. and abuse this section... at least.


EDIT to below: Unlike others here, I won't grace/promote your strings with Further responses.
Just show what you're doing.
Others I see, oft take the Bait; and I do mean BAIT. Not me.
I would encourage everyone Not to respond/Promote your attempted Vandalization/Graffiti in this section.
His handle now, compulsively, at the end of 7 of the last 9 strings in this section.

Edit 2.
Thunder, in a passive acknowledgement to my criticismS about his one-liner last-wording, has (1) expanded his usual post to a few more and (2) generalized the topic to include other countries/Sanitized his post.

 

[Thunder]

Like another of your strings..
http://www.debatepolitics.com/middle-east/120184-israeli-pm-wants-usa-threaten-iran.html

This is merely meant to inFlame American/Patriotic sentiment against Israel.
You post Provocative or last-wording Garbage here.. hourly.

what is your response to the OP?

personally, I think its fine to include foreign politics to decide how to vote for President, Senate, Congress, etc etc.

however, I don't think one should base one's vote, just on one single foreign policy issue.

be it Iraq, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Israel, etc etc....I would never vote for someone who I thought was bad for the country...but good for the foreign policy issue of the day...or even just good for a specific country.

 

[ido_]

shouldn't one vote for who they think will be best for America????

One should vote for who is best for his ideology and interests. That's what democracy is all about

 

[Pinkie]

Thunder, the caller you heard sounds like what is known as a "single issue voter". Such people have always been around, and if you don't believe me, ask a Cuban immigrant about my age.

BTW, I am less than thrilled about Obama's relations with Israel myself...in fact, I think he sucks in most foreign relations areas. However, NOT being a single issue voter myself, this wretched conduct on his part will not control my vote in November.

 

[Pinkie]

And, not to jack this thread, but Israel is a totally steadfast ally of the US in highly volatile and now nuclear-armed area of the world essential to US interests. People who disparage the US alliance with Israel make me wonder if they have a globe at home, and are able to locate such nations as Iran, Yemen, Iraq, Pakistan, India, etc.?

IMO, Israel is our best possible chance (albeit a slim one) of avoiding nuclear war...which, should it break out anywhere on Planet Earth will contaminate ALL of Planet Earth.

So unless the anti-Israel crew has a secret spaceship to some Hilton Head Island on Mars, I suggest they realign themselves with reality.

 

[24107]

so, on a local call in show, folks were talking about Super Tuesday, who they're gonna vote for, etc etc.

this one lady calls in, from the Upper West Side of Manhattan (Seinfeld-land), and talked about why she hates Obama. She must have said Israel........8 times. And when she wasn't talking about Israel, she was accusing Obama's whole cabinet..of being anti-Semitic. She included George Soros.

silliness aside, is it ok to base one's vote in the Presidential election of the United States, on who you think will be best for Israel?

shouldn't one vote for who they think will be best for America????

It's like that 800 pound guerrila in the room that many people choose to act as if it's not there and doesn't exist, and just call you a ''nut'' for thinking(actually knowing it's there.) :doh..

Also notice how a U.S. president, when making a speech to an Israeli special interests group, such as AIPAC, is very careful with his choce of words, and not really able to express his true feelings and opinions; for example on how he thinks a fair and just peace deal in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, because if he doesn't share the exact same sentiment or opinion as the Israeli position, cry's of anti-semitism begin, even though the President always states his ''undying love'' and commitment to Israel, and never mentions the fact, that billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars are given to Israel while Americans who could use such additional monetary support from their own government are denied. By the way thunder i do commend you for your threads as your one of the few, who actually have the moxy, to ..well.. simply post the truth of what really is going on, regarding Israel,the rest of the mideast and our foreign influenced and infiltrated government(sadly).

 

[24107]

Thunder, the caller you heard sounds like what is known as a "single issue voter". Such people have always been around, and if you don't believe me, ask a Cuban immigrant about my age.

BTW, I am less than thrilled about Obama's relations with Israel myself...in fact, I think he sucks in most foreign relations areas. However, NOT being a single issue voter myself, this wretched conduct on his part will not control my vote in November.

Can you please share with us Obama's relations problems with Israel that he is at fault for(As Obama has continued the same as other previous presidents the same mantra that Israel is an ally and they do continue to recieve alot of ''financial aid'')? And i also am curious for a more specific details or examples of his wretched behavior.:2wave:

 

[samsmart]

so, on a local call in show, folks were talking about Super Tuesday, who they're gonna vote for, etc etc.

this one lady calls in, from the Upper West Side of Manhattan (Seinfeld-land), and talked about why she hates Obama. She must have said Israel........8 times. And when she wasn't talking about Israel, she was accusing Obama's whole cabinet..of being anti-Semitic. She included George Soros.

silliness aside, is it ok to base one's vote in the Presidential election of the United States, on who you think will be best for Israel?

shouldn't one vote for who they think will be best for America????

If she doesn't like it here, then she can go somewhere else.

Like Israel.

 

[Serenity]

so, on a local call in show, folks were talking about Super Tuesday, who they're gonna vote for, etc etc.

this one lady calls in, from the Upper West Side of Manhattan (Seinfeld-land), and talked about why she hates Obama. She must have said Israel........8 times. And when she wasn't talking about Israel, she was accusing Obama's whole cabinet..of being anti-Semitic. She included George Soros.

silliness aside, is it ok to base one's vote in the Presidential election of the United States, on who you think will be best for Israel?

shouldn't one vote for who they think will be best for America????

This one lady calls in......

How many U.S. citizens are registered to vote?


Much ado about nothing.

 

[Thunder]

This one lady calls in......

How many U.S. citizens are registered to vote?


Much ado about nothing.

well, I have heard such attitudes before. the idea that one should vote based on Israel's perceived needs, is not an uncommon one.

I think it is wrong, to be such a one-issue voter.

 

[Pinkie]

Can you please share with us Obama's relations problems with Israel that he is at fault for(As Obama has continued the same as other previous presidents the same mantra that Israel is an ally and they do continue to recieve alot of ''financial aid'')? And i also am curious for a more specific details or examples of his wretched behavior.:2wave:

O, 24107, I'm really tired and I have a ton to do today. Lemme see if I can find some links later, please? And if you'd remind me, that'd be sweet, as I am likely to forget.

Off-hand, I can tell you I was outraged that Obama agreed to cover up the Armenian genocide of WW I to appease the current Turkish government. There is absolutely no doubt about what happened there, he knew it, and lied to garner a pitiful and fraudulent patina of solidarity. That you should be able to Google easily.

 

[tessaesque]

A lot of people are one issue voters. Whether the issue is gay marriage, abortion, Israel, gun rights, economic philosophy, etc. doesn't really matter.

Personally? I think voting on the basis of one issue is pretty dumb, generally speaking.

 

[Pinkie]

well, I have heard such attitudes before. the idea that one should vote based on Israel's perceived needs, is not an uncommon one.

I think it is wrong, to be such a one-issue voter.

Single issue voters are, without a doubt, a major pain in the ass. But they exist in many different areas of the country on many different issues....abortion is a perennial favorite. Doesn't matter if you're working a campaign for dog catcher; if he's not lining up with their issue, they won't vote for him no matter what. They can't seem to absorb the fact that dog catchers do not make abortion laws.

Getting stuck "talking to one" AKA listening to some diatribe for any length of time is agonizing if you are a campaign volunteer, as I have usually been.

 

[Pinkie]

A lot of people are one issue voters. Whether the issue is gay marriage, abortion, Israel, gun rights, economic philosophy, etc. doesn't really matter.

Personally? I think voting on the basis of one issue is pretty dumb, generally speaking.

Well, not always. If we had a sound economy, I could probably vote my top ten social justice issues without hesitation. But we do not....so IMO, social justice won't mean much if none of us has any economic justice.

 

[rocket88]

well, I have heard such attitudes before. the idea that one should vote based on Israel's perceived needs, is not an uncommon one.

I think it is wrong, to be such a one-issue voter.

Single issue voters are dumb. Welcome to America.

 

[Thunder]

A lot of people are one issue voters. Whether the issue is gay marriage, abortion, Israel, gun rights, economic philosophy, etc. doesn't really matter.

Personally? I think voting on the basis of one issue is pretty dumb, generally speaking.

Single issue voters are dumb. Welcome to America.

Not only do I think single-issue voting is dumb...but I think single-issue voting based on the perceived needs of a foreign country, is dumb AND wrong.

if the status & well-being of your country has no influence whatsoever on your vote for President of your country, that's a problem.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Dispensationalism skews American politics in strange ways.

 

[tessaesque]

Well, not always. If we had a sound economy, I could probably vote my top ten social justice issues without hesitation. But we do not....so IMO, social justice won't mean much if none of us has any economic justice.

I have yet to meet a politician with a proven track record of focusing legislation on his social views. Obama is perhaps the closest in terms of gay rights, DADT, and the like, but generally speaking they all talk a big game about social issues and then completely ignore them or fight weakly in support of them. If I vote for somebody because he says he's pro-gay marriage and ignore the rest of his platform I'm taking a huge risk. For all I know, he's also pro-middle eastern glass factory.

 

[Gardener]

Looks to me like this "single issue" syndrome applies equally well to those so obviously hostile to Israel as those who are supportive -- perhaps even more so considering the dedication with which so many bash this one state devoted to the self determination of one small ethnic minority.

 

[Thunder]

Looks to me like this "single issue" syndrome applies equally well to those so obviously hostile to Israel as those who are supportive -- perhaps even more so considering the dedication with which so many bash this one state devoted to the self determination of one small ethnic minority.

ethnic minority? Israeli Jews aren't an ethnic minority by any definition.

 

[ido_]

A lot of people are one issue voters. Whether the issue is gay marriage, abortion, Israel, gun rights, economic philosophy, etc. doesn't really matter.

Personally? I think voting on the basis of one issue is pretty dumb, generally speaking.

I agree that its dumb, but in a democracy idiots got a right to vote as well...

 

[Gardener]

ethnic minority? Israeli Jews aren't an ethnic minority by any definition.

There are hundreds of millions of Arabs in the region, and just a few million Jews. They are an ethnic minority. On the world stage, they are a tiny minority, since there are just a few million vs. many billions. In the countries to which they dispersed during the diaspora, they were always a tiny minority. Israel represents the self determination for the Jewish people, who are an ethnic minority by very definition of the term.

Do at least TRY to keep up. o.k.?

 

[Thunder]

There are hundreds of millions of Arabs in the region, and just a few million Jews. They are an ethnic minority....

sorry, but that's not how we classify a minority. blacks are a minority in the USA, but the majority in Africa. does that mean they are still an ethnic minority in Africa..because they are a minority in the USA? Asians make up more than 2 billion people on this planet, does that mean they aren't a minority in the USA?

Jews are a minority group in the USA...but are the clear majority of Israel.

 

[Thunder]

I agree that its dumb, but in a democracy idiots got a right to vote as well...

yes, they have the right to vote however they like.

but that doesn't mean I can't criticise how they decide to vote.