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What planet do you live on?
Makes you wonder why black men run under those circumstances. Oh wait, maybe it's those outstanding warrants and criminal recordsSure there is, it's called running while black!
A) Good I did and still do the same. So you are aware of how easy it is to be injured. Freak accidents that aren't really uncommon. Even for the most in shape guy. That is the crux of my position. An injury doesn't have to be immediate to be severe. It can happen and go unnoticed. And that happens.
B) I find it MORE morally troubling that guilt is being established before the facts are out. I'm sure you would too, assuming that you don't look at this with a slant. The fact is there are possibilities that are not completely remote, and in fact closer to 50/50 that this was NOT a criminal action. That it could simply be accidental. An unintended consequence of police going hands on.
I'm sure you people down hard when you did BJJ. Not like you tried too right? I do it once in a while. I'm a big guy. Sometimes I have to lay a knee down to help a training partner out in the rib department.
Again. This isn't "victim blaming." It is fact observation. The facts do not point to one cause. They point to many potential causes. Only someone trying to serve a cause would draw only one from these.
It apparently does, but it absolutely shouldn't be.Apparently it currently raises the odds.
I'm also a larger person (6'4", 215), and yeah, stuff happens in sports, but sports are recreational and consenting. Interaction with law enforcement isn't something you sign up for at the local YMCA. It's a likely unexpected encounter that you're unprepared for and potentially only get to do once, without do overs or tap outs.
Do you have something against courts and juries?
Of course people are terrified by the police and run out of fear. They know they cannot trust the police not to beat or kill them. Look at the guy that stole the horse. When the cops caught him, 10 of them beat the crap out of him.
No but apparently it means you'll be executed without trial and conservatives will cheer from the sidelines.
Another runner with a record.
STOP running and resisting!
Apparently, you don't pay any attention to them.
Really? Your advice is to simply let police search you for being in your own neighborhood (a known drug sales area)?
The arrest, as far as I can tell, was for possession of a pocket knife - why is that not a 2A and 4A violation?
If during the "arrest process" you can be seriously injured or killed then it would seem foolish not to avoid (resist?) that arrest
not much has been reported about the fate of the other man (reported to be with/near him at the time) also seen running away from police.
No one is cheering for this man's death. If he falls into the category I described, that's on him.
Really? Your advice is to simply let police search you for being in your own neighborhood (a known drug sales area)? The arrest, as far as I can tell, was for possession of a pocket knife - why is that not a 2A and 4A violation? If during the "arrest process" you can be seriously injured or killed then it would seem foolish not to avoid (resist?) that arrest - not much has been reported about the fate of the other man (reported to be with/near him at the time) also seen running away from police.
You mean being a dumbass? Sure, if you're a dumbass in America, and you're killed by police, that's your own fault.... Seriously?
The other thing that's a bit surprising is you said you agreed that 12 million arrests was a problem, many of them BS arrests. But surely you have to see that the BS arrests flow right into some kid running from cops. Lots of articles and the DOJ report detail the process. Stop some guy with a broken tail light, find a joint in the ash tray, guy gets a $500 ticket. Doesn't show up for court because he doesn't have the money to pay. Now he's got a warrant for his arrest for that. It also means his DL is suspended. So if he drives to work, and gets stopped, pile on another ticket, and maybe a few days in jail, gets fired from his job and he still can't drive legally but that's the only way he can get to a job. And his actual crimes were a busted tail light and a joint. But because he's poor he's now in a spiral that takes money he doesn't have to get out of.
And then people wonder why a guy might run for police....
It's one thing if the person is a suspected serial rapist, but since we haven't heard that, it's more likely what he was running from was one of those BS arrests you're opposed to, and now he's dead. I don't see how that makes sense to anyone.
I think you meant killing instead of prosecution, and I don't agree that being a dumbass gives police a license to kill you.
You may not like the job they have to do, and heck, they may not like it either, but they still have to do it...So, yeah, let them do their job, and move on...
Not everything is a federal case, (although this one is now) but if the family wanted to pursue the road to the Supreme Court they are free to find an attorney that is willing to take the case and move that direction....Hope they have a large checkbook.
I would guess that most injuries to cops, as well as suspects happen during resisting arrest...Those who comply and follow orders generally are unharmed.
Probably got away...It's like the old story: "Walking through the woods with a friend that was overweight, and smoked, the out of shape friend says 'I'm surprised we are walking through here, isn't this the trail where a lot of bear sightings have been reported'? The other man replies, 'it sure is'....Then the first man says 'well, what do we do if a bear attacks'? the other man says 'run'....the first says 'we had better be fast'....the first man says 'don't have to be, I just have to be faster than you'....:mrgreen:
At this point, we don't know who or what killed him.
Supposedly the perps ran after the cops made eye contact. There was no initial search or questions.
As far as the switchblade, if the guy had a felony record, possessing an illegal weapon carries a greater penalty.
Don't get me wrong here. I have no idea what goes through the head of someone who runs from the cops...it's not in my nature. What I do see is where it puts your life in unnecessary danger by doing so.
Hmm... What, exactly, were the lawful orders that you allege were given by the police?
Two guys see the police "eying" them and run - one gets away and the other dies after being caught and charged with the possession of an "illegal" pocket knife.
Sounds like someone making bad decisions all around....
You mean being a dumbass? Sure, if you're a dumbass in America, and you're killed by police, that's your own fault.... Seriously?
The other thing that's a bit surprising is you said you agreed that 12 million arrests was a problem, many of them BS arrests. But surely you have to see that the BS arrests flow right into some kid running from cops. Lots of articles and the DOJ report detail the process. Stop some guy with a broken tail light, find a joint in the ash tray, guy gets a $500 ticket. Doesn't show up for court because he doesn't have the money to pay. Now he's got a warrant for his arrest for that. It also means his DL is suspended. So if he drives to work, and gets stopped, pile on another ticket, and maybe a few days in jail, gets fired from his job and he still can't drive legally but that's the only way he can get to a job. And his actual crimes were a busted tail light and a joint. But because he's poor he's now in a spiral that takes money he doesn't have to get out of.
And then people wonder why a guy might run for police....
It's one thing if the person is a suspected serial rapist, but since we haven't heard that, it's more likely what he was running from was one of those BS arrests you're opposed to, and now he's dead. I don't see how that makes sense to anyone.
I had a good friend many moons ago, that was really into doing coke, and partying in general. He while working fell through a customers attic ceiling, and banged a dresser in the master bedroom on the way down. While recovering at home, went into convulsions and died....His wife, tried to sue the employer, safety on the job and all, and lost because the autopsy revealed that because of the drug use he had a condition called 'fatty liver' and that was the cause of his death, not the fall....
You have a perfectly good idea why the "felon" ran - he had an "illegal" pocket knife. Why should one's life be in danger for running?
Running from the cops will bring more hurt to your life than not paying traffic or possession fines. That's all I'm saying.
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