What's your point?Food of all kinds is historically cheap and there’s a case to be made it’s too cheap
To be fair the pig would say the price is lowThe CRT poutrage has run its course, so righties will have a new thing to get poutraged about: BACON!
Bacon may disappear in California as pig rules take effect
The new rules could be a rare case of consumers clearly paying a price for their beliefs.www.nbcnews.com
To be fair, California voters may have bitten off more than they could chew.
It really does seem like half the current conservative "movement" is a circle jerk that sounds an awful lot like this. Facebook fueled CT of stupid proportions.Liberals are trying to turn us into . . . tofu-eating vegetarians! a Trump supporter joked, but the next Trump supporter didn't get the joke, and a conspiracy was born.
Wait. Was that me? Did I just do it?
Completely disgusting and portrays humans as lower than other animals.Why is it unsustainable? What has changed? They die and we eat them. We don't need to worry about they live, or how they feel, we are going to eat them, they aren't pets.
The amount of meat Americans eat is insane. Far more poor people suffer from diabetes an other problems related to over-consumption than those that suffer from hunger. We need address the fact that people can work forty hours and still be poor instead of giving them subsidized, unsustainable meat.California with it's liberal wacky laws and regulations is causing people across the entire nation to pay more for food, which is already sky high. California did it with eggs. Largest producer and consumer, and then it caused out of state producers to need to comply with California standards in those other states, or ranchers could not sell in California. Driving prices up for everyone, especially the working poor.
Sacramento is a CANCER on the entire nation and the entire country. Sacramento negatively affects more American lives than Moscow ever did. If China ever sends a nuke our way, I pray it is at Sacramento.
LOL. Stop pretending you even need a reason. The second conservatives lose an election, they're ready to throw our democracy in a dumpster. The Constitution only matters when it serves your interests.To hell with California messing with our bacon. This may cause a civil war.
Completely disgusting and portrays humans as lower than other animals.
The animals we force into captivity for our use should be treated humanely. Animals in the wild dont live in filth, trapped, limited in movements, and deliberately/negligently caused pain. In the wild, they make it thru the day...dealing with flies, danger, aggression, etc but if they die, they die. They dont suffer for hours or days or months.
As humans we have the capacity to ensure they dont suffer under our stewardship, under our care, just because we're going to eventually 'use' them. Even the most 'savage of beasts' arent that depraved.
The amount of meat Americans eat is insane.
Far more poor people suffer from diabetes an other problems related to over-consumption than those that suffer from hunger.
We need address the fact that people can work forty hours and still be poor instead of giving them subsidized, unsustainable meat.
LOL. Stop pretending you even need a reason. The second conservatives lose an election, they're ready to throw our democracy in a dumpster. The Constitution only matters when it serves your interests.
Completely disgusting and portrays humans as lower than other animals.
The animals we force into captivity for our use should be treated humanely. Animals in the wild dont live in filth, trapped, limited in movements, and deliberately/negligently caused pain. In the wild, they make it thru the day...dealing with flies, danger, aggression, etc but if they die, they die. They dont suffer for hours or days or months.
As humans we have the capacity to ensure they dont suffer under our stewardship, under our care, just because we're going to eventually 'use' them. Even the most 'savage of beasts' arent that depraved.
You opinion, I don't care what you feel about it, animals which are raised to be consumed, it doesn't matter, they aren't pets, they aren't endangered species. They are protein. And they are humanly treated for what they are... a food commodity.
You are naive about the wonderful VIOLENCE of nature. It is a beautiful thing, a necessary thing. To watch a bear tearing the limbs off a living deer to eat may not be pretty to you, but it is nature. Animal life is just one giant food chain, it isn't a Disney movie. But agrigulture is not simply the wild nature, but it is necessary, and it is legal, and it is moral. We raise animals to feed people.
Sure, we all go back to just hunting and gathering, and spend all of time and energy just not starving to death. But then we wouldn't have time for internet or TV, or going to yoga class.
Here is a video. The animal rights terrorists are the exact types you are encouraging. They aren't about "humane treatment", they are about stopping all animal agriculture, they believe animals are on a equal level as humans. They believe "meat is murder". They are crazy... INSANE people. Mostly white, all liberal, and CRAZY.
No, not at all. Depravity doesnt even exist in other animals.Are you the least bit surprised at his comment? I'm not.
Are you the least bit surprised at his comment? I'm not.
No, not at all. Depravity doesnt even exist in other animals.
Thank you! And humans are...and as such, many easily display depravity...towards other animals and even their own kind.Animals ARE NOT moral agents. Is this news to you?
These are the people you support. BTW, why do these animal/eco terrorists only attack white owned businesses? Even they are at least smart enough to avoid a Black owned restaurant or farm. Now that would be fun to see. Some bat shity crazy White eco terrorists trying to shut down Black owned BBQ place.
We have laws against cruelty to animals, and I already mentioned protecting endangered species. But ranchers are not weirdos putting pet kittens into microwave ovens for sport. They are producing an animal product for LEGAL and MORAL consumption. We are all well aware that means animals will die, and animials will be kept in captivity, and some animals will end up diseased or injured in the process, but that is the nature of farming and ranching.Thank you! And humans are...and as such, many easily display depravity...towards other animals and even their own kind.
If you are using not being 'moral agents' as an excuse for justifying cruelty and depravity...er, to deny pain and suffering in anything is the start of that slide downward from any moral High Ground.
TL;dr You made yourself very clear.We have laws against cruelty to animals, and I already mentioned protecting endangered species. But ranchers are not weirdos putting pet kittens into microwave ovens for sport. They are producing an animal product for LEGAL and MORAL consumption. We are all well aware that means animals will die, and animials will be kept in captivity, and some animals will end up diseased or injured in the process, but that is the nature of farming and ranching.
The world isn't fed by local cooperative vegetable gardens, we humans consume MEAT.
"Depravity" is a term which describes the human condition of being in rebellion against one who has created this wonderful nature we are part of. It does not define anyone who hunts, fishes, traps, or farms animals.
Why is it unsustainable? What has changed? They die and we eat them. We don't need to worry about they live, or how they feel, we are going to eat them, they aren't pets.
I don't know enough about these so called animal mills, but so few people are willing to have other than a puppy or kitten. I got both my cats from friends. Consumers should have a choice, but when the animals are in such poor conditions that corporate farms use, that is just wrong. The worse of the choices should be shut down. I imagine the chicken farms in Arkansas are really bad conditions as well. How in hell can they ship packed meat all the way to Oregon and be so much cheaper than Oregon Chicken meat, without having too many crammed into the space they have.So animal rights should be contingent on the choices consumers make? For example, a lot of people either adopt their dogs from an animal shelter or buy from a reputable breeder. However, plenty of dogs are sold from pet stores that usually get their dogs from puppy mills where the breeding dogs often spend their entire lives in small cages. Should we continue to allow puppy mills and just wait for consumers to all finally be responsible in their purchases?
When people are removed from the ultimate consequences of their choice, they often don't make responsible choices. You see a package of meat in a grocery store, the meat looks the same regardless of whether it came from a small farm that treats livestock humanely or a factory farm that doesn't and most consumers act accordingly. Similarly, when people see a cute puppy in a pet store, they often don't think about the living conditions of the puppy's parents. Ultimately, people often have to be told what to do in order to make better choices.
I wonder what the meat efficiency difference if of food, space, and water requirements between different livestock is? Anyone know? Turkey isn't necessarily more efficient without actually quantifying such numbers.Ground beef can be substituted by ground turkey. A slab of steak, well, that's different.
Such people need to be supported.There's a tiny Mexican owned butcher shop about four miles down the street from us on Studebaker Rd. in Downey.
It is literally a hole in the wall operation, and the owners aren't buying any private planes or luxury yachts just yet.
But El Chymal might just be the most ethical, clean and best run butcher shop I've ever seen, and I know how they raise and process their meats because they are one of the only shops that handles almost the entire process themselves, from raising the cattle on their own ranch to the countertop where they grind the meat and package it themselves.
And every single step of their operation is visible in the hundreds of photos plastered on their wall, to video clips they play on the two ancient flat panel screens they have running all day long.
These guys are extremely proud of everything they do, they take great pride in every step of their process. Their beef never sees the inside of some anonymous slaughterhouse and meatpacking plant, it's all in house, one hundred percent, and they want their customers to know as much as possible about the meat that they consume.
Once you've paid attention to what goes on in the big corporate meatpacking operations, you will understand why small local butcher shops are more important now than ever.
Same here. Those eggs I buy are from local farms in Sandy OR.I always prefer supporting local...it is the best way to go...
I believe it also has to be labeled if such a process is used. I occasionally see such labeling here in Oregon.One thing which is almost impossible to avoid when buying meat from large corporate owned operations is the use of carbon monoxide in the packaging phase of the process.
Carbon monoxide is introduced in what's called "modified atmosphere packaging" and CO is used in order to maintain a "fresh pink color" on meats which historically have had a shorter shelf life.
This controversial process may mask meat spoilage, and that's just downright dangerous, another reason why small local butcher shops are important, and also another reason why certain disruptive markets like plant based meat substitutes and lab grown meat deserve a chance.
I can think of no reason why carbon monoxide packaging is good for the consumer, and yet it is legal to use this process in the USA.
It's just that small local shops don't do it.
The chickens have a limited environment to move, but its more like a huge community cage where they still have to move some distance between their nest and where they eat, and there will be bugs for them to eat which is a necessary part of their natural diet. I'm not against this. It's just not like the legal requirements for pasture raised labeling requirements, which you will have eggs from even healthier chickens.Yep. It's one of those cases where what people imagine the word to mean isn't what the standard prescribe.
Buy bacon without the nitrates.Not so much eggs because dietary cholesterol doesn't really impact your cholesterol levels. However, saturated fat does and the nitrates in bacon are terrible for you. Eat all the eggs you want.
Dietary Cholesterol and the Lack of Evidence in Cardiovascular Disease
Cardiovascular disease (CVD) is the leading cause of death in the United States. For years, dietary cholesterol was implicated in increasing blood cholesterol levels leading to the elevated risk of CVD. To date, extensive research did not show evidence ...www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
I use olive oil and just a tablespoon of whole milk. It doesn't take much milk to make them better, and too much milk makes them worse.The "how" they're made plays a role here too, and hard boiled doesn't make the popularity cut. Scrambled eggs are the popular choice, which are often prepared with milk and oil/butter added in the process.
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