Proudly Pro Life JP Freem
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vergiss said:Cute, but you can shut up already. Everyone debunked this in the Christmas story thread - even the pro-lifer side admitted it wasn't so.
Proudly Pro Life JP Freem said:Yes unfortunately it is true. I was working while replying about the sale of Baby parts I posted the wrong link. Here is another link what do you think.
http://lifedynamics.com/Abortion_Information/Baby_Body_Parts/
Saboteur said:Well that is pretty deplorable and in no way do I support this. This is not a Pro-Life/Pro-Choice issue. I think it says more about the evils of capitalism and maybe Kansas than it does about abortion.
Though it does raise the question which pertains to a lot of things like drugs, sexual slavery of children and adults, child pornography, the beef industry, etc.
Which is worse, the supply or the demand?
FISHX said:could we really distingish between them
FISHX said:ermmm i meant could you distinguish which was the worst supply or demand now i don,t really know if you misunderstood my post or whether you were just being pedantic but i hope the rephrasing of the post helped.
in my opinion it is demand which validates the need for supply that is worse.
Felicity said:Interesting link with relevant info on this issue...
http://www.ncsl.org/programs/health/genetics/embfet.htm
Scroll down and check out the chart...
Saboteur said:Well I think stem cell research could be useful but do see the disagreeable side of using aborted embryos. I think that like anything a person can donate why not be able to donate a miscarried embryo?
But if we allow that then we have to allow aborted embryos as well.... stumper.
Stace said:The researcher isn't going to see the difference between a miscarried embryo and one that was aborted. They're simply trying to find cures. So where's the problem?
Saboteur said:Well I suppose I'm just falling into the moral question. Donating an embryo shouldn't be like donating blood plasma for cash. Meaning that someone shouldn't get pregnant to have an abortion and be paid to do it. I know that it isn't like that now, but some will claim that it is or could be.
Saboteur said:Well I suppose I'm just falling into the moral question. Donating an embryo shouldn't be like donating blood plasma for cash. Meaning that someone shouldn't get pregnant to have an abortion and be paid to do it. I know that it isn't like that now, but some will claim that it is or could be.
Stace said:Oh yeesh I couldn't even imagine doing that....seriously, why would any woman deliberately get pregnant (which takes a fair amount of planning, in order to track ovulation and such) and then spend hundreds of dollars to have an abortion (which I'm certain has a number of unpleasant side effects), simply to sell the embryo? Certainly the payoff wouldn't outweigh the trouble she'd have to go to.....
Ugh, I don't even want to think that there is/could be a woman cruel (and stupid, quite frankly) to do something like that.....
Caine said:As my buddie Rabbi Yoffie says,
"Family Values......Is choosing the child with diabetes over the frozen embryo in a fertility clinic."
ngdawg said:My frozen embryos were donated to research-hopefully for a cure for that child with diabetes.
There are investigations going on now, mostly in New York, into the illegal selling of cadaver parts that were stolen-seems to me someone took this a step further with unsubstantiated reports to include fetal parts for the purpose of shock value.
Personally, I'd rather see legitimate research and laboratory usage of miscarried or aborted fetal matter in hopes of cures-sure beats going out with Monday's trash.
ngdawg said:Granted, I signed over my ownership a long time ago, but donation IS supposed to be voluntary. There is, according to this investigation, a secondary 'market' for human tissue. Donating it doesn't mean the organization you donated to doesn't then sell it, but apparently a doctor (or more) and a funeral director, among others, were just taking bone, skin, etc and selling it. Alistair Cooke's body was desecrated by these people as reported this past week: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4552742.stm
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