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(Axios) Abbott orders National Guard deployment to protests

Pyrite said:
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False. What we've been saying for years now: Trump should have sent help when it was requested.

Instead, he refused to send the requested assistance to beleaguered law enforcement agents. As a result, trump's violent mob attacked and wounded at least 140 police officers.
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Sweet. So now what... we don't deploy the Guard?
 
Chomsky said:
What relevance does this have to the Police Chief, Mayor, and Governor, telling Trump they don't need now want his Military?
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Telling people they can't leave their homes between certain hours of the day is a rather, what's the word we use... hmm oh yes, 'fascist' thing to do.
 
Pyrite said:
No strawman on my side.

We're talking about trump's ordering armed troops into a state, over mostly-peaceful protests, without the consent of that state's governor.

Inevitably, the yuuuuuuuuuge and sickening contrast comes to mind: trump's refusals to send aid as he spent hours watching on TV the violence wrought by his mob as it assaulted and wounded at least 140 police officers. Trump's dereliction of duty on that day was crystal-clear.

Yet MAGA refuses to hold him accountable, refuses to condemn his mob's violence against law enforcement - but now, when trump targets a blue state in which there have been scattered and mostly-peaceful protests, MAGA insists trump's action is righteous.
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So Trump was derelict in his responsibilities on Jan 6, so he has to be derelict in his duties in 2025?
 
Chomsky said:
Absolutely.

Did you see Trump threatened - "will be met with heavy force" - if anyone protests his Birthday Parade?

I'm not happy the org organizing the Saturday protests is not protesting in D.C., saying they want to "provide contrast".

Lawful protest is the hinge-pin of American Democracy. They should have called Trump's hand on this, bringing it home to him and laying it at his feat.

I don't see any way Trump could win the politics of busting peaceful protestors in the Nation's Capital.

In fact, I might start a poll on this - as much as I hate starting polls.
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I read Trump's statement in context. he was talking about the rioters/protests and (with his usual sloppy language) conflated the 2.
Which is not that hard to do in his defense. Many people have conflated the 2 Just my opinion but I dont see it as anymore then that. My unsolicited advice would be to wait and see what happens. But i cant see anyone voting to bash legit protestors
 
Athanasius68 said:
To help the police.
Because the situation on the ground was untenable.
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Oh athan.. that's such a lie its hilariously bad amd just stupid. This might have worked on someone who hasn't been paying attention and doesn't have family in the city.

No athan she did that to protect the citizens from trumps illegal actions.
 
Athanasius68 said:
So Trump was derelict in his responsibilities on Jan 6, so he has to be derelict in his duties in 2025?
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He has no "duty" when it comes to sending NG and military troops to Los Angeles, because these soldiers were not requested by the Governor of the State.
 
Athanasius68 said:
So Trump was derelict in his responsibilities on Jan 6, so he has to be derelict in his duties in 2025?
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But that was antifa and fbi agents on j6 that he later pardoned.

You really shouldnt use j6 as an example
 
Athanasius68 said:
To help the police.
Because the situation on the ground was untenable.
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That's not what the police said. A few minutes ago I saw the police chief on CNN saying the Guard wasn't necessary.
 
Pyrite said:
When a Governor requests deployment of the Guard, the President is free to authorize this.
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The governors have authority over their state's Guard. They don't need presidential permission to exercise it.

However, the president is allowed to assume control of a state's Guard. And he doesn't need the consent of the governor to do so.
 
W_Heisenberg said:
That's not what the police said. A few minutes ago I saw the police chief on CNN saying the Guard wasn't necessary.
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Shrug.
So the answer of the police is to confine people in their homes.
If we are going to use the term, then that's some pretty 'fascism' right there.
 
On immigration — an issue that the president hammered on the campaign trail — Trump’s approval rating dropped five points from April, to 43 percent. His already low approval rating on the economy did not budge, remaining at 40 percent. The results show a majority of voters, 54 percent, disapprove of Trump’s handling of the issue.
 
Pyrite said:
He has no "duty" when it comes to sending NG and military troops to Los Angeles, because these soldiers were not requested by the Governor of the State.
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The president has a job to enforce the law.
He is trying to enforce federal immigration law in LA.
Federal officials are facing attacks upon them to keep them from doing their job.
So he has a responsibility to respond.
 
What if...? said:
“Commercial grade” fireworks are fired from stationary “cannons”, triggered by wired connections for safety reasons.

Just say fireworks next time. Your credibility will thank you.
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I think most police are not scared of bottle rockets, the reason commercial grade fireworks are used. They are much more powerful. So commercial grade wording is appropriate.
 
Chomsky said:
Who is it, the National Guard will go against? American Citizens, whether you admit or not. Not all protestors are illegals, as they are portrayed by Trump & MAGA. In fact, I'm willing to bet the vast majority will be our fellow Americans. Illegals aren't going to take the chance of getting arrested.

And to inform you, the National Guard is indeed a Military component. Specifically, The Armey & Airforce.

From the U.S. Army National Guard website:



Link:

Army National Guard

Army National Guard
nationalguard.com nationalguard.com
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Protesters are not the ones we worry about. But rioters.
 
Athanasius68 said:
The governors have authority over their state's Guard. They don't need presidential permission to exercise it.

However, the president is allowed to assume control of a state's Guard. And he doesn't need the consent of the governor to do so.
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The Governors cannot send NG into DC without permission from the Executive Branch.

That you do not seem to know this doesn't surprise me. That you comment on this topic without understanding the basic doesn't surprise me, either.
 
Linuxcooldude said:
Adding in the words racist and Nazi, everyone would be dead of alcohol poisoning long ago.
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You got it.

One would think the ignoramuses who go this route would stop with the pejoratives that reflect so badly back on them.
They are insulting those who suffered, were victims of the fascist Nazis.
 
Athanasius68 said:
Shrug.
So the answer of the police is to confine people in their homes.
If we are going to use the term, then that's some pretty 'fascism' right there.
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Confine people in their homes? What are you talking about?

Are you talking about the curfew for 6 square miles of downtown Los Angeles in a Metro area that has 34,000 square miles?
 
Athanasius68 said:
The president has a job to enforce the law.
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Oh, you mean like respecting the due process rights of deportees as the Supreme Court ordered?

Or, do you mean illegally implementing tariffs when there is no emergency warranting tariffs?

Or, do you mean federalizing the national guard when there is no rebellion?

Maybe you mean trying to use DOGE to take over Congress's tax and spend authority?

Or, maybe you are referring to Trump accepting a gift from Qatar in violation of the Constitution?
 
Chomsky said:
It was a Republican Congress & Republican President, that passed it. Just as with Reagan's War on Drugs. Both of these Republican Presidents signed these atrocities into law. And, we've been stuck with them since.

I don't find it a coincidence.
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In the House: 211-3 Republicans, 145-62 Democrats in a 222-211-2 House.
In the Senate: 49-0 Republicans, 48-1 Democrats in a 50-50 Senate

USA Freedom Act of 2015 which extended several provisions of the expiring Patriot Act:
In the House: 196-47 Republicans, 142-41 Democrats in a 246-186 House
In the Senate: 25-28 Republicans, 43-1 Democrats, 1-1 Independents in a 54-44-2 Senate
Signed by President Obama.

Sure, give a pass to your side for the Patriot Acts.
 
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