(Axios) Abbott orders National Guard deployment to protests

[NuffSaid]

'No Kings' protests planned in Dallas-Fort Worth; When, where, what you need to know | FOX 4 Dallas-Fort Worth

Several protests are planned in Dallas-Fort Worth and around the country on Saturday, June 14, against the Trump administration.

www.fox4news.com

'No Kings' protests planned in Austin; When, where, what you need to know | FOX 7 Austin

Several "No Kings" protests are planned in the Austin area and around the country on Saturday, June 14.

www.fox7austin.com

Etc

There’s no rioting planned.

Sorry that people want to protest Trump.

Maybe Abbott could get some of his police to tear gas or club a few protesters just to show who’s boss.

 

[NuffSaid]

Not at all. I get LA residents are angry all the time because they live in an open sewer, but it stopped being cute days ago.

Quotes someone whose never spoken to anyone who lives in LA nor ever visited the city.

 

[TamleeB]

What relevance does this have to sic'ing the Military on Texan Citizens?

To insure we don’t have another “summer of love”. Peaceful protests are fine with me, unlawful assembly and/or any type of violence is not fine with me. That is exactly what happened in the past riots when Governors refused to step in to insure everyone’s safety.

 

[TamleeB]

There’s no rioting planned.

Sorry that people want to protest Trump.

Maybe Abbott could get some of his police to tear gas or club a few protesters just to show who’s boss.

Exactly how do you know there is no rioting planned? Specifics would be helpful. Thanks

 

[NuffSaid]

Exactly how do you know there is no rioting planned? Specifics would be helpful. Thanks

The No Kings protests on Saturday are planning all over US.
The same type of protests happened in April. There were no riots.
Why do MAGA assume because people want to protest their precious idol that riots are going to break out?

 

[dcsports]

The No Kings protests on Saturday are planning all over US.
The same type of protests happened in April. There were no riots.
Why do MAGA assume because people want to protest their precious idol that riots are going to break out?

MAGA is a straw man of the left.

The OP is talking about Governor Abbott. He is mobilizing the national guard as a precaution, so that IF they are needed they can be deployed. Hopefully it's just a deployment exercise.

Tensions are high, and after the LA 'protests' resulted in riots, there is a greater risk that issues could arise in other cities. We saw this happen during the 'summer of love' in 2020, with riots and vandalism in Portland and other cities. We've already had issues with 'protests' in Austin and Dallas.

 

[Cope]

Absolutely.

Did you see Trump threatened - "will be met with heavy force" - if anyone protests his Birthday Parade?

I'm not happy the org organizing the Saturday protests is not protesting in D.C., saying they want to "provide contrast".

Lawful protest is the hinge-pin of American Democracy. They should have called Trump's hand on this, bringing it home to him and laying it at his feat.

I don't see any way Trump could win the politics of busting peaceful protestors in the Nation's Capital.

I can assure you that, like most protests, enough violence occurs that would justify someone taking issue and making the call to shut it down whether by local PD, or NG.

Protests are a hinge pin of Democracy. Why is it so hard for them to actually be, and stay peaceful? Rhetorical really since to protest you have to be passionate. Passionate does not lend itself to reason or common sense.

In fact, I might start a poll on this - as much as I hate starting polls.

 

[What if...?]

I think most police are not scared of bottle rockets, the reason commercial grade fireworks are used. They are much more powerful. So commercial grade wording is appropriate.

I looked into this and every single mention of “commercial grade fireworks” is in quotes.

Which I mean it’s qualified.

I suspect it’s just the big stuff you can get in Mexico but not in the states.

Because from what I saw a common aspect of “commercial fireworks” is remote electronic ignition. For safety reasons. Multiple cutouts and arming procedures. No commercial grade fireworks have fuses lit by hand. OSHA would never approve that. Nor would an insurance company or local fire department.

Which would explain the quotation marks.

(I do not condone shooting fireworks at cops. I do object to propaganda and what it has wrought in this nation)

 

[NuffSaid]

MAGA is a straw man of the left.

Its not. Its the large contingency of people who agree with anything Trump and his cohorts (like Abbott and DeSantis) do.

The OP is talking about Governor Abbott. He is mobilizing the national guard as a precaution, so that IF they are needed they can be deployed. Hopefully it's just a deployment exercise.

He has no reason to mobilize anyone. The No Kings protests are simply a continuation of protests that happened in April. There were no riots then.
Abbott is just trying to be a tough guy like Trump.

Tensions are high, and after the LA 'protests' resulted in riots, there is a greater risk that issues could arise in other cities. We saw this happen during the 'summer of love' in 2020, with riots and vandalism in Portland and other cities. We've already had issues with 'protests' in Austin and Dallas.

Tensions could be lessened if Trump were to go on air and speak to Americans. HE resorts to calling the governor of CA names and tweets. He's not for Americans, but his base.
Ya know what causes tensions to rise? Having a large contingency of unnecessary police or military present.
The protests in April (I saw video of the one in Richmond, VA), where there were some police, but they remained to the side, and just observed. No violence, no riots.
But Trump needs to puff his chest. Look tough.

 

[snakestretcher]

Deploying the National Guard has proactively has occurred before.

Yes. May 4 1970, Kent State University. Didn't end well then either.

 

[Chomsky]

Excuse me?

He doesn't want the Military.

 

[trixare4kids]

He doesn't want the Military.

I stand by what I wrote.
He does what he's told to do, but he never came out publicly and said what you claimed.

Your link above went to LA magazine, btw.

 

[dcsports]

Its not. Its the large contingency of people who agree with anything Trump and his cohorts (like Abbott and DeSantis) do.

lol. Thanks for proving my point. Straw man.

He has no reason to mobilize anyone. The No Kings protests are simply a continuation of protests that happened in April. There were no riots then.
Abbott is just trying to be a tough guy like Trump.

With tensions the way they are? And riots that already occurred in LA? Not to mention issues they've already had in Austin and Dallas? There's absolutely a risk that this is going to be more than 'peaceful protests'. Again, this is a precaution, that could end up being a training exercise to be prepared for future issues.

[deflection removed]

Those on the left want tensions to be high.

 

[butterfly]

MAGA is a straw man of the left.

The OP is talking about Governor Abbott. He is mobilizing the national guard as a precaution, so that IF they are needed they can be deployed. Hopefully it's just a deployment exercise.

Tensions are high, and after the LA 'protests' resulted in riots, there is a greater risk that issues could arise in other cities. We saw this happen during the 'summer of love' in 2020, with riots and vandalism in Portland and other cities. We've already had issues with 'protests' in Austin and Dallas.

MAGA is self-descriptive, and it isn't just the left that is critical.

 

[Chomsky]

I stand by what I wrote.
He does what he's told to do, but he never came out publicly and said what you claimed.

Your link above went to LA magazine, btw.

Amazing how you dismiss the Chief's actual words, replacing them with yours.

--

Thanks for letting me know about the link. I guess it's a little late now!

 

[Chomsky]

To insure we don’t have another “summer of love”. Peaceful protests are fine with me, unlawful assembly and/or any type of violence is not fine with me. That is exactly what happened in the past riots when Governors refused to step in to insure everyone’s safety.

There's been no actions of the sort.

There's been three arrests, total.

 

[Chomsky]

MAGA is a straw man of the left.

The OP is talking about Governor Abbott. He is mobilizing the national guard as a precaution, so that IF they are needed they can be deployed. Hopefully it's just a deployment exercise.

Tensions are high, and after the LA 'protests' resulted in riots, there is a greater risk that issues could arise in other cities. We saw this happen during the 'summer of love' in 2020, with riots and vandalism in Portland and other cities. We've already had issues with 'protests' in Austin and Dallas.

This is insane. Look at the hats at any Trump rally.

 

[Chomsky]

You are clearly using charged wording.

Who said the national guard has to be deployed 'against' anyone? They are on standby to, if needed, protect lives and property, and support the police. If anything, I suppose you could say they stand to protect lives and property from those who intend to threaten those things.

I'm not sure what's the sense in "debating', anymore?

You make fictitious claims, then when proven wrong, you attempt to change the meaning of words.

You claimed the Army National Guard was not Military, and I showed you proof from the Army Guard website itself.

You claimed The Army Guard was not deployed, yet I showed you the order itself.

There's really nothing common to debate in the bizarro reality you seem hellbent on creating.

 

[dcsports]

This is insane. Look at the hats at any Trump rally.

MAGA is a campaign slogan used by Trump.

As used by the left here, MAGA is a strawman. "MAGA did this!" "MAGA believes that!" It's an ambiguous group that's used as one to attack, misrepresentations, rather than looking at real issues or things that real people have said.

 

[dcsports]

I'm not sure what's the sense in "debating', anymore?

You make fictitious claims, then when proven wrong, you attempt to change the meaning of words.

You claimed the Army National Guard was not Military, and I showed you proof from the Army Guard website itself.

You claimed The Army Guard was not deployed, yet I showed you the order itself.

[deflection removed]

You have been the one playing word games, and you are doing so here with a great deal of dishonesty. And it's not something I normally expect from you.

Your premise of 'sending the military in against the citizenry" is a dishonest characterization, as I pointed out. "The military" normally refers to the full time active duty armed forces. While the national guard is an extension of "the military" - it's missions and roles are very different. And they are not being "sent against the citizenry" - but to protect the citizenry, as well as property, and to restore order, WHEN they are needed.

 

[Chomsky]

You have been the one playing word games, and you are doing so here with a great deal of dishonesty. And it's not something I normally expect from you.

Your premise of 'sending the military in against the citizenry" is a dishonest characterization, as I pointed out. "The military" normally refers to the full time active duty armed forces. While the national guard is an extension of "the military" - it's missions and roles are very different. And they are not being "sent against the citizenry" - but to protect the citizenry, as well as property, and to restore order, WHEN they are needed.

Oh please stuff it, with your word games already.

It's clear we have zero to agree upon here, so I'll let this be.

 

[Bodecea]

Exactly how do you know there is no rioting planned? Specifics would be helpful. Thanks

Exactly how do YOU know there IS rioting planned?

 

[Bodecea]

Yes. May 4 1970, Kent State University. Didn't end well then either.

Maybe Abbott wants a Kent State.

 

[dcsports]

Oh please stuff it, with your word games already.

It's clear we have zero to agree upon here, so I'll let this be.

Again, you are the one using charged wording to imply something nefarious. "sending the military in against the citizenry" I quoted your words that I objected to.

 

[dcsports]

Maybe Abbott wants a Kent State.

More likely, he doesn't want a Los Angeles, a Portland, or a Kenosha.