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Australias First Saint

spud_meister

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Canonisation plans unveiled in Melbourne




yay, we be gettin' a saint, and she deserves to be canonised, she was a good person.

Mary MacKillop - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
spud_meister said:
Canonisation plans unveiled in Melbourne
yay, we be gettin' a saint, and she deserves to be canonised, she was a good person.
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Good for her, it's a bit like a postumous OBE really, isn't it? I'm just not sure why Archbishop Hart thinks it will mean anything to non-Catholics. As John Wesley said:
" The Romish doctrine concerning...worshiping, and adoration, as well of images as of relics, and also invocation of saints, is a fond thing, vainly invented, and grounded upon no warrant of Scripture, but repugnant to the Word of God."
I'm not dissing Mary McKillop, I'm just saying that you have to believe in saints for canonisation to mean much.
 
America only has seven saints, six of them canonized in 1975 or later.
The most famous is probably Mother Seton; St. Elizabeth Seton.
 
ludahai said:
We don't worship saints and relics...

I wonder, will there be a move in Australia to make her the patron saint of the country?
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Most non-Catholics don't understand the difference in Revering something and Worshiping something.
 
mac said:
Most non-Catholics don't understand the difference in Revering something and Worshiping something.
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I think that John Wesley probably did understand that difference.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wesley

But don't feel persecuted, he was just as hard on Calvinists who, he said, through their ideas of predestination, show God to be worse than the devil. That was fighting talk in the 18th century.
 
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This is no different than Sainthood in reality:


Though he called it something else he, in fact, believed in it. I can only imagine that his spin had something to do with winning over Catholics and Anglicans to his own movement. All that being said, of Protestant Faiths, I'm more fond of Methodism than any other.
 
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mac said:
This is no different than Sainthood in reality
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Depends on what you mean by sainthood. I grew up Anglican (mother's side) and Methodist (father's side) and would attend both church and chapel. I remember the Methodist Minister telling us that through faith and with grace we are all saints, no greater nor lesser in the eyes of God than St Peter.

Though he called it something else he, in fact, believed in it.
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He certainly didn't believe in the Miss Universe canonisation industry. Could you offer some evidence that contradicts the quote in post 2?
 
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