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There is little information in the reporting that I have seen. A submarine running into something suggests that the something was a terrain feature. Maybe they ran into another sub? How congested is the SCS?What makes you think they run that close to the bottom? The task you suggest would be monumental.
Do you have some evidence that the operational tempo is higher now than it was say 10 years ago? 20 years ago?
Haven't they got windows?they use passive sonar
NO pingers and seeing there are somethings that do not make noise Passive sonar isn't any good
It is good against other ships and things that make some type of noise but not solid non moving objects
Have a nice day
It's been that way for some time. When I was on the ship, the stress was so bad that I had this really good Sailor, a good mechanic ask me what I thought would be ways to get out right then. He was so stressed out over our deployments, what we were doing, our watch rotations, etc. It has been happening for decades at least. This isn't new at all.If it's even close to the same, I can see why the kids are getting out after 4 years.
I'm not quite sure if this is a real question or sarcasm....Haven't they got windows?
It was real. Maybe not a window, but some way to see where you're going? Cameras?I'm not quite sure if this is a real question or sarcasm....
Although I believe it would be absolutely awesome to have a SeaQuest in our fleet, unfortunately we don't have that sort of thing, yet.
No, no cameras either. Submarines are made as airtight and watertight as possible, as well as streamlined. It is actually pretty impressive how few accidents they have in the water, considering most of their navigation is done without having really any direct "sight". And I'm not saying we shouldn't look into utilizing such technology.It was real. Maybe not a window, but some way to see where you're going? Cameras?
Wow. Just thinking about submarines makes me short of breath because I'm claustrophobic. The thought that they can't even see out ... yes, I'm impressed, though. I never would have thought that in a million years.No, no cameras either. Submarines are made as airtight and watertight as possible, as well as streamlined. It is actually pretty impressive how few accidents they have in the water, considering most of their navigation is done without having really any direct "sight". And I'm not saying we shouldn't look into utilizing such technology.
It's been that way for some time. When I was on the ship, the stress was so bad that I had this really good Sailor, a good mechanic ask me what I thought would be ways to get out right then. He was so stressed out over our deployments, what we were doing, our watch rotations, etc. It has been happening for decades at least. This isn't new at all.
At one point in my career, I was manning a 6 and 6 watch rotation with another Sailor (because we had so few qualified nukes). There were times when that particular watch also had to pull extra duty (luckily, our CoC was good enough to realize that this would probably not go well and had a higher watch stand do that extra duty, since their rotation was 5 on and 10 off).
Do you have some evidence that the operational tempo is higher now than it was say 10 years ago? 20 years ago?
Honestly, we found out that China sometimes just throws major trash in their waters. That is part of the reason why I broke my nose on the ship. We had sucked up a large wire (it was about the size of my wrist) off the seafloor in Hong Kong harbor (technically the anchor had picked it up, but they sort of "shook" it off and it got sucked into one of our intakes). That wire got stuck in our valve, causing it to not open correctly. That led to a casualty that we have specific actions for. We realized the problem and fixed that (or we thought, we didn't know about the wire, only the effect that it had, keeping the valve somewhat shut) and while opening things back up, another valve part failed, which I was far too close to, and hit it face first. But we had pulled that wire in further when we got the valve open, breaking a pump in the system too when the wire got wrapped inside it. That was a really dynamic and interesting morning (although I missed about half of it, since they did take me to medical).I would think that wouldn’t be a problem in between the surface and the bottom. The closer to the bottom they get, it gets a little dicier. The Chinese would have to be pretty lucky to install a “barrier” and get the sub to hit it. I don’t guess we’ll know just where in the SCS they were…….
Sorry no. They aren't built like the USS Seaview. Even if they did, there is no light as deep as they go. Then to use headlights, would also be giving away their position to the enemy.Haven't they got windows?
That actually wouldn't provide as much info as you may think. For instance, what is the distribution there? Are we giving higher bonuses? What about distribution of personnel within rates? There are always rates that are overmanned and undermanned. And does that account for IA duty (which started right around that 2nd term), which is very different than sea duty (nukes don't do IA duty, but I do know about it, and could have went out on it in the reserves).That's easy enough to do. Follow the money. If you take spending on Navy Personnel as a rough proxy for the size of the Navy and spending on Navy Operation & Maintenance as a rough proxy for how active the Navy is, then just find the ratio between the two:
(Operation & Maintenance)/(Navy Personnel)
That should give you a pretty good idea of the operational tempo for any given year. I worked that out for the Fiscal Year (FY) 1984-2019 time period and then did a normal distribution (ie, graded each year "on a curve") to give an easily accessible number from 0.001 to 1.000 as a measurement of operational tempo. The higher the number, the higher the tempo. I then did a 4-year average for every Administration and got the following:
Reagan II (FY86-89): 0.442
Bush, Sr. (FY90-93): 0.324
Clinton I (FY94-97): 0.196
Clinton II (FY98-01): 0.421
Bush, Jr. I (FY02-05): 0.323
Bush, Jr. II (FY06-09): 0.757
Obama I (FY10-13): 0.889
Obama II (FY14-17): 0.892
Trump (est.) (FY18-21): 0.977
Biden (est.) (FY22-25): 0.952
So the Navy's Operational Tempo has been pretty high for a while now - at least since Bush's 2nd Term. It took a big jump in FY06 and has been way above .500 ever since.
Makes sense.Sorry no. They aren't built like the USS Seaview. Even if they did, there is no light as deep as they go. Then to use headlights, would also be giving away their position to the enemy.
They rely on sonar.
That's easy enough to do. Follow the money. If you take spending on Navy Personnel as a rough proxy for the size of the Navy and spending on Navy Operation & Maintenance as a rough proxy for how active the Navy is, then just find the ratio between the two:
(Operation & Maintenance)/(Navy Personnel)
That should give you a pretty good idea of the operational tempo for any given year. I worked that out for the Fiscal Year (FY) 1984-2019 time period and then did a normal distribution (ie, graded each year "on a curve") to give an easily accessible number from 0.001 to 1.000 as a measurement of operational tempo. The higher the number, the higher the tempo. I then did a 4-year average for every Administration and got the following:
Reagan II (FY86-89): 0.442
Bush, Sr. (FY90-93): 0.324
Clinton I (FY94-97): 0.196
Clinton II (FY98-01): 0.421
Bush, Jr. I (FY02-05): 0.323
Bush, Jr. II (FY06-09): 0.757
Obama I (FY10-13): 0.889
Obama II (FY14-17): 0.892
Trump (est.) (FY18-21): 0.977
Biden (est.) (FY22-25): 0.952
So the Navy's Operational Tempo has been pretty high for a while now - at least since Bush's 2nd Term. It took a big jump in FY06 and has been way above .500 ever since.
Days?The thing is, operational tempo doesn't account for all the 3-5 days out to sea, or 1-2 weeks out to sea for testing, inspections, and work ups.
I could be wrong about this, so feel free to tell me if I am..
Actually, they have calculations that do address that in fact. But that is referred to differently.The thing is, operational tempo doesn't account for all the 3-5 days out to sea, or 1-2 weeks out to sea for testing, inspections, and work ups.
I could be wrong about this, so feel free to tell me if I am..
Personnel tempo, or PERSTEMPO, on the other hand, measures the number of days each sailor spends away their home port on official Navy business. The moment a sailor leaves a home port, the PERSTEMPO clock starts.
There are a few types of subs. There is one type that goes out for months at a time, on a set schedule, but the other main type has a schedule that is much more like a surface ship.Days?
The people I know who were in the Navy would be underwater for months.
Days?
The people I know who were in the Navy would be underwater for months.
Looks as though incompetence is now creeping into our submarine force. The Navy needs new leadership.
Attack Submarine USS Connecticut Suffers Underwater Collision
UPDATED: Attack Submarine USS Connecticut Suffers Underwater Collision in South China Sea - USNI News
This post has been updated with additional details on the injuries to the crew of USS Connecticut and the location of the collision. Almost a dozen sailors have been injured after a U.S. nuclear attack submarine hit an unknown underwater object in the South China Sea, USNI News has learned. The...news.usni.org
Fun fact: the US Navy never had ships collide with anything ever prior to the election of Obama.
That actually wouldn't provide as much info as you may think. For instance, what is the distribution there? Are we giving higher bonuses? What about distribution of personnel within rates? There are always rates that are overmanned and undermanned. And does that account for IA duty (which started right around that 2nd term), which is very different than sea duty (nukes don't do IA duty, but I do know about it, and could have went out on it in the reserves).
Although that does show what I was getting at, that this has been normal tempo for almost 20 years now.
The thing is, operational tempo doesn't account for all the 3-5 days out to sea, or 1-2 weeks out to sea for testing, inspections, and work ups.
I could be wrong about this, so feel free to tell me if I am..
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