Atheists' arguments are essentially evasions. [W:116,971,997]

[Manc Skipper]

Re: Atheists' arguments are essentially evasions. [W:116]

What about the Grand Canyon? Evolutionists always claim that it formed as the result of the Colorado River eroding away the rock for millions of years, but a flood where water burst from within the earth would've been far more violent than a mere river, yes? Wouldn't the equivalent of a giant pressure washer shooting onto rock do the same job the Colorado supposedly took millions of years to complete within days, or even hours?

What about the grand canyon? The evidence is there for geologists to see. "Evolutionist" is a vague archaic religionist term.

 

[RAMOSS]

Re: Atheists' arguments are essentially evasions. [W:116]

Actually, my friend, I believe those verses hail from your religion as well as my own?

Why, yes they do. However, you don't have to take things literally, nor do you have to lie about things to make religious literature scientifically accurate. Scripture is not a science book. You can understand historically where the imagery came from , and realize it's not a science book, but a book about how to live life.. and about a groups seeking out God

 

[Jek4141]

Re: Atheists' arguments are essentially evasions. [W:116]

Why, yes they do. However, you don't have to take things literally, nor do you have to lie about things to make religious literature scientifically accurate. Scripture is not a science book. You can understand historically where the imagery came from , and realize it's not a science book, but a book about how to live life.. and about a groups seeking out God

God is the Creator of everything. As such, He invented the forces and principles of math and science. His Word is the Bible. Therefore, any "science" that contradicts His Word contradicts Him, because the truth in His word will always line up with His science, not ours.

 

[RAMOSS]

Re: Atheists' arguments are essentially evasions. [W:116]

God is the Creator of everything. As such, He invented the forces and principles of math and science. His Word is the Bible. Therefore, any "science" that contradicts His Word contradicts Him, because the truth in His word will always line up with His science, not ours.

You are mixing up scripture, and God... and the Jewish scripture is the literature that tells the Jewish faiths seeking God.

 

[Tim the plumber]

Re: Atheists' arguments are essentially evasions. [W:116]

What about the Grand Canyon? Evolutionists always claim that it formed as the result of the Colorado River eroding away the rock for millions of years, but a flood where water burst from within the earth would've been far more violent than a mere river, yes? Wouldn't the equivalent of a giant pressure washer shooting onto rock do the same job the Colorado supposedly took millions of years to complete within days, or even hours?

No. A single violent flood would have driven a straight channel through the terrain. Leaving characteristic deposits and obvious signs of the event such as this;

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/03/channeled-scablands/

In the middle of eastern Washington, in a desert that gets less than eight inches of rain a year, stands what was once the largest waterfall in the world. It is three miles wide and 400 feet high—ten times the size of Niagara Falls—with plunge pools at its base suggesting the erosive power of an immense flow of water. Today there is not so much as a trickle running over the cataract’s lip. It is completely dry.

The fossilised meanders and features of the grand canyon were not formed in that way but by gradual errosion.

If a world flood had happened then all river valleys of the world would have gian canyons running straight (ish) along them with the present rivers piddling around at the bottom.

 

[Tim the plumber]

Re: Atheists' arguments are essentially evasions. [W:116]

God is the Creator of everything. As such, He invented the forces and principles of math and science. His Word is the Bible. Therefore, any "science" that contradicts His Word contradicts Him, because the truth in His word will always line up with His science, not ours.

So the real world is lying and the Bible is true.

You know that this is not the case.

 

[Jek4141]

Re: Atheists' arguments are essentially evasions. [W:116]

You are mixing up scripture, and God... and the Jewish scripture is the literature that tells the Jewish faiths seeking God.

Your God is the same as mine. You just rejected his Son.

 

[RAMOSS]

Re: Atheists' arguments are essentially evasions. [W:116]

Your God is the same as mine. You just rejected his Son.

No, God does not have a 'begotten son'. Nor is there a need for 'salvation' from a sacrifice . How can you reject something that does not exist?

 

[TheGoverness]

Re: Atheists' arguments are essentially evasions. [W:116]

I'm game, just what show stopping evidence/arguments do you have that I am expected to evade?

You'll be waitin' forever.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Re: Atheists' arguments are essentially evasions. [W:116]

You'll be waitin' forever.

"I ain't looking for help from on high. That's a long wait for a train don't come." - Mal Reynolds

 

[Rich2018]

Re: Atheists' arguments are essentially evasions. [W:116]

God is the Creator of everything....

You see this is where rational men and people of faith part.

What you really mean is that you believe that god created everything.....but what you state is that you know this to be true.


People of god (all gods) differ from atheists and scientists in that respect. They claim to KNOW the truth. Rational men trust science but only so far. They believe in established scientific theory, BUT are quite prepared to be proved wrong.
In fact a definition of a scientific statement is that it MUST be capable of being proven wrong.


The theist has no such reservations. He/she states that they KNOW the answer.



A biologist is quite prepared to change the theory of Evolution if evidence that contradicts it is found. Can you say that you're quite prepared to reject the idea of god if evidence to contradict his existence is found ?

 

[zyzygy]

Re: Atheists' arguments are essentially evasions. [W:116]

God is the Creator of everything.

Your claim. Prove it.

 

[devildavid]

Re: Atheists' arguments are essentially evasions. [W:116]

God is the Creator of everything. As such, He invented the forces and principles of math and science. His Word is the Bible. Therefore, any "science" that contradicts His Word contradicts Him, because the truth in His word will always line up with His science, not ours.

Are you talking about the words of men who claimed they came from god? If so, which words from which men in which sacred book?

 

[pinqy]

Re: Atheists' arguments are essentially evasions. [W:116]

God is the Creator of everything. As such, He invented the forces and principles of math and science. His Word is the Bible. Therefore, any "science" that contradicts His Word contradicts Him, because the truth in His word will always line up with His science, not ours.

Joshua 10:12,13
10:12 Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.

10:13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day

Now, the sun standing still would not have that effect unless the sun revolves around the earth. Science tells us tahat the earth revolves around the sun. So to be clear, is it your claim that the sun revolves around the earth or that the Joshua story is not literally true?

Gen 30:37-39
37 And Jacob took him rods of green poplar, and of the hazel and chesnut tree; and pilled white strakes in them, and made the white appear which was in the rods.

38 And he set the rods which he had pilled before the flocks in the gutters in the watering troughs when the flocks came to drink, that they should conceive when they came to drink.

39 And the flocks conceived before the rods, and brought forth cattle ringstraked, speckled, and spotted.

Modern genetics tells us that the branches and poles would have no effect on the offspring.

What is your claim? That if we did the same as Jacob, we would have the same results or different?