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rather than being dismissed I think they are just being ignored.
Great, You don't believe in God, Jesus, Christianity, etc. Who really cares? Just don't bother getting involved.
Why not let others enjoy the season without juvenile interference.
You don't know that it would exist at all. You are trying to use speculation or a guess vs a well known fact. Sorry does not float. Just because something could or mite have the possibility of happening does not change the fact of what it already is today, or where it came from, period.
Without Christians and in the end a Jesus, no Christmas holiday would exists, period.
It is a fact that there are still people who celebrate the holiday season for those reasons. You can even include Hanukkah in there. So yes, that shows that the most likely conclusion is that we would still be celebrating this season for other reasons if Christmas never came along.
Your statement was
You would be wrong. Although it likely would not be called "Christmas", the season itself would still most likely exist and people would still almost certainly be celebrating something during that season.
And Christmas, at least many of the traditions associated with it, came from earlier celebrations of the season. They were added altogether.
"Most likely" is not fact and as I said just a guess.
Again it is nothing but speculation on your part a guess. So no.
Who else expresses Peace, Goodwill and Charity as their expressed philosophy? Is that the atheist message as well?
You made the very first speculation in this conversation, saying that without Jesus, there would be no Christmas holiday. We weren't talking about the specific holiday of Christmas, we were talking about the season and celebrations within that season. You cannot know that there would be no celebrations within this season without Jesus.
You can't even know for sure that there would be no Christmas, since "Christ" is actually a part of his title and so therefore could have easily been given to someone else had Jesus not existed.
That's as far as the atheists have come along in their philosophical message? Defacing signs?
They're going to have to try a little harder if they're to gain any converts.
Some Christians think so, yeah. Not all Christianity think that homosexuality is an abomination.
Why? Some of the largest charity organizations in the world are christian non-prof orgs.Pretty much everyone makes those claims, very few fail in those claims as badly as Christians.
It is hers and possibly your own version of the truth, but that doesn't make it fact. I don't believe Jesus was born on Christmas or any of the story of the nativity, yet I still celebrate Christmas. It has nothing to do with Jesus to me and to many others. So yes, it is "insulting" in a way for someone to try to claim that Jesus is the only reason for the season (I am strong enough to not care though, but will point it out when necessary to make my point).
Oh no worries. Instead of the "War on Christmas" it's morphed into a "War on atheists".
That's as far as the atheists have come along in their philosophical message? Defacing signs?
They're going to have to try a little harder if they're to gain any converts.
Why? Some of the largest charity organizations in the world are christian non-prof orgs.
Sure, that's why there are 41,000 sects of Christianity, but anyone who actually reads and follows the Bible, which supposedly they think is the inspired word of God, can come to no other interpretation, the Bible supports hatred of gays and defends slavery. It's only Christians who pick and choose which parts they want to pay attention to and which parts they want to ignore that come to other conclusions, mostly because those parts are morally reprehensible to them.
rather than being dismissed I think they are just being ignored.
Great, You don't believe in God, Jesus, Christianity, etc. Who really cares? Just don't bother getting involved.
Why not let others enjoy the season without juvenile interference.
I and others do enjoy the season, but we don't need others, aka pushy Christians (which is meant to include only those Christians who are pushy about this particular subject), to tell us why we should celebrate the season. I celebrate for my reasons and they are just as important as anyone elses.
Then go ahead and celebrate in your way and let others celebrate in theirs. I see "pushy" atheists rather than pushy Christians in this case. A tradition of 50 years is being lost because some poor atheists are offended. It's time they got a life.
In the city where I'm living at the moment there are Hindu festivals and Muslim festivals, as well as several others. Would these atheists try to break them up as well? I doubt they would have the balls. Nor would civilized people break up a Gay Pride parade or any number of rallies we allow in order that everyone get along.
This pettiness, the looking to be "offended" is just petty people trying to gain some fleeting importance and media attention they wouldn't otherwise have. They are a blister on society's backside and should be ridiculed at every opportunity. And they supply many opportunities.
But why should the government involve itself in saying "It's OK to celebrate this religious holiday, but not others?" The First Amendment does not require the government to build your church or give you a soapbox from which you can express your views.
I'm sure that the church has a front lawn they can display their nativity scene on, or at least one of the congregants does. Same is true of the atheists. Why does it have to be a public park?
How many nativity scenes were vandalized?
Is this your argument?
Public facilities are being used all the time for a variety of interests and functions but this time it is Christians, along with millions of others who actually enjoy this time pof the year who aren;t Christians.
Pushy Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Gays, Blacks, etc, have always been a problem for the closed minded who walk among us and will always find a way pick on an easy target.
This cowardly lot would never try the same thing with Muslims.
Emphasis mine. I see where you're coming from, but unfortunately as far as the bolded portion goes you're not correct. Life would ultimately be much more simple if you were correct.
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