At least three killed, 11 injured in mass shooting in Philadelphia

[Callen]

OK, but why look at ‘root causes’ for only “gun violence” rathter than for all violent crime? Only a moron would conclude that the goal was not to decide (declare?) that more “gun control” is the ’most reasonable’ solution.

You do recall it was the GOP who canceled all funding to government agencies looking into the root causes of gun violence and its impact on publ8c health.

 

[Rumpelstil]

So, at what point do we do something? Is one mass shooting per day the tipping point? (Probably not, imo.) And I wonder, where are all the good guys with guns?

At least three killed, 11 injured in mass shooting in Philadelphia

Gunfire erupted on South Street near 3rd Street in Downtown Philadelphia shortly before midnight, Philadelphia police told WPVI.

nypost.com

May I refer you to this thread again:

https://debatepolitics.com/threads/...tings-when-will-this-ever-stop.482635/page-11 <<<<

 

[nota bene]

That is your question to answer. Why not examine each and find solutions? Why was all funding directed at examiming reasons for gun violence canceled but Republicans? If Americans aren't interested in putting tax dollars into root causes and solutions for all gun violence then they aren't.....

No, this isn't my question to answer; it's yours because you are the one who wrote [bolding mine] "Not at all, the slaughter of innocents in public places, gang violence, domestic violence and suicide are all gun violence problems with different motivations and causes. They each need to be examined in detail and solutions found but that is never going to happen so the priority has to be innocent people going about their life."

Again, why examine gang violence, domestic violence, and suicide if solutions will never be found? You said, "...that is never going to happen." So why bother? When you talk about a "priority," you are acknowledging that some lives are not a priority.

 

[Peter]

If the mass deaths of children at school isn't enough to kickstart meaningful gun law reform then nothing will and as the US has had several mass killings of school children and Republicans flat refusal to even contemplate a debate about guns then the answer is pretty clear.

You will just have to get used to constant, mass casualties with zero possibility for change.

 

[Rumpelstil]

If the mass deaths of children at school isn't enough to kickstart meaningful gun law reform then nothing will and as the US has had several mass killings of school children and Republicans flat refusal to even contemplate a debate about guns then the answer is pretty clear.

You will just have to get used to constant, mass casualties with zero possibility for change.

Yes, it will go on and on and on and on ...

And some will always say: "That is the price for our freedom in the US - in God's own country!"

 

[Callen]

No, this isn't my question to answer; it's yours because you are the one who wrote [bolding mine] "Not at all, the slaughter of innocents in public places, gang violence, domestic violence and suicide are all gun violence problems with different motivations and causes. They each need to be examined in detail and solutions found but that is never going to happen so the priority has to be innocent people going about their life."

Again, why examine gang violence, domestic violence, and suicide if solutions will never be found? You said, "...that is never going to happen." So why bother? When you talk about a "priority," you are acknowledging that some lives are not a priority.

Then I must not have expressed myself very well.

All life is valuable

All types of gun violence needs a serious and well funded effort at discovering root causes and finding solutions

If there is no will amongst the people to do that is there at least a will to look at part of the problem?

The answer seems to be no. Not all if it or even some of it

 

[ttwtt78640]

You do recall it was the GOP who canceled all funding to government agencies looking into the root causes of gun violence and its impact on publ8c health.

Nobody needs a study to know that violent crime victims experience negative health impacts. Let’s have the criminal justice agencies study violent crime issues and the medical care agencies study public health issues.

 

[Peter]

Nobody needs a study to know that violent crime victims experience negative health impacts. Let’s have the criminal justice agencies study violent crime issues and the medical care agencies study public health issues.

Please show how Republicans have tried to lower the death toll or even help those affected by gun violence?

 

[ttwtt78640]

Please show how Republicans have tried to lower the death toll or even help those affected by gun violence?

They haven’t called for defunding the police, removing cash bail or trying to reduce (or avoid) jail/prison sentences.

 

[Callen]

Nobody needs a study to know that violent crime victims experience negative health impacts. Let’s have the criminal justice agencies study violent crime issues and the medical care agencies study public health issues.

Studying the root causes of gun violence is multi faceted. It needs a well funded wholistic approach. Let's be honest and sat the will is simply not there.

 

[Peter]

They haven’t called for defunding the police, removing cash bail or trying to reduce (or avoid) jail/prison sentences.

That's my point, Republicans haven't done anything but stonewall any discussion on gun violence because they're bought and paid for by the NRA.

The carnage will continue while Republicans have political muscle.

 

[Noodlegawd]

So, at what point do we do something? Is one mass shooting per day the tipping point? (Probably not, imo.) And I wonder, where are all the good guys with guns?

At least three killed, 11 injured in mass shooting in Philadelphia

Gunfire erupted on South Street near 3rd Street in Downtown Philadelphia shortly before midnight, Philadelphia police told WPVI.

nypost.com

It's an every day problem now, just like people getting killed every day by drunk or speeding drivers (a situation we're also basically doing nothing to improve, but that almost never gets mentioned in the news or by politicians).

 

[Arlette]

They haven’t called for defunding the police, removing cash bail or trying to reduce (or avoid) jail/prison sentences.

What has that got to do with prevention? The police and the criminal justice system deals with things AFTER a shooting, not before

 

[ttwtt78640]

Studying the root causes of gun violence is multi faceted. It needs a well funded wholistic approach. Let's be honest and sat the will is simply not there.

Here is a simple study question to ask violent criminals:

What is your weapon of choice?

A) Hands, fists or feet.
B) Hammer or club.
C) Knife or sword.
D) Handgun, shotgun or rifle.

What is that likely to show is the ‘root cause’ of gun crime?

 

[Callen]

I suspect that trained physiologist, behavioral scientists, law enforcement, mental health experts and other professionals would take a tad deeper dive.

 

[ttwtt78640]

What has that got to do with prevention? The police and the criminal justice system deals with things AFTER a shooting, not before

The “question” was:

Please show how Republicans have tried to lower the death toll or even help those affected by gun violence?

Where is prevention mentioned? Lowering the death toll or helping gunshot victims is also only applicable after the fact.

 

[Peter]

Only in America is it considered normal for schools to have to run active shooter drills and have armed guards.

I wonder why?

 

[Rickeroo]

Does the left-leaning media really want to highlight black-on-black street crime where thousands die each year from gun shot wounds?
What would be the purpose of that? That does not serve their narrative of cruel cops who want to kill people of color.

It serves the MSM if they can get the public to add Black gun crime to their tally of school/public type shootings. Here's one in Chattanooga, the operative phrase being:

The shooting comes as the nation is on edge following back-to-back high profile shootings

 

[jaypatriot]

It serves the MSM if they can get the public to add Black gun crime to their tally of school/public type shootings. Here's one in Chattanooga, the operative phrase being:

The shooting comes as the nation is on edge following back-to-back high profile shootings

I am not sure which MSM channel you are referring to.
Highlighting black-on-black shootings in major cities does not further their narrative about white cops shooting black suspects. Just ask Colin Kaepernick, Al Sharpton, and Ben Crumb.

 

[jaypatriot]

It happens because the cops don't give a shit.

Are you referring to all 800,000 cops across the country or just cowards in Uvalde or POS's like Derek Chauvin?

 

[jaypatriot]

Not at all, the slaughter of innocents in public places, gang violence, domestic violence and suicide are all gun violence problems with different motivations and causes. They each need to be examined in detail and solutions found but that is never going to happen so the priority has to be innocent people going about their life.

I think your logic is suggesting we focus on the small, but still tragic, number of innocents killed in mass shootings and ignore publicizing the more than a thousand black-on-black murders that are the scourge of cities like Chicago.
Anti-gun zealots believe we can actually do something about mass shootings by crazy people and do nothing about criminals getting access to guns so they can kill each other on city streets. Allow criminals on the streets to remain armed but do not harden schools with armed teachers, locked doors, and metal detectors at school entrances.
Those same zealots ignore the fact that Biden is blatently politicizing those mass shootings in order to hopefully lessen the disaster he is facing in November.

 

[jaypatriot]

Please stay away.
Too many scary black people walking around. You have to pass one on the sidewalk.

I've walked through enough dark streets in NYC to take your advice to heart.

 

[jaypatriot]

You do recall it was the GOP who canceled all funding to government agencies looking into the root causes of gun violence and its impact on publ8c health.

Root causes of gun violence has been studied for decades.
That's like Kamala going down to Honduras and Guatemala to understand causes of root violence in those shithole countries. At lot of good it did.
Blame the GOP if that's all you got.

 

[jaypatriot]

Seriously? The numbers show the thinking person that living in certain states is more dangerous than life in other states. Yes, the murder rate is higher in some cities than in the suburban and rural areas in the same state.

Thanks for the intuitively obvious lesson in gun violence.

 

[Lycanthrope]

The issue is gun violence, and specifically the easy accessibility of firearms in our gun obsessed culture.

Makes no difference if that violence involves mass murder or a single homicide.