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At least 6 people were killed in a shooting at a Walmart in Virginia, officials say. The shooter is also dead

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The link: https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/22/us/chesapeake-virginia-walmart-shooting/index.html

The lede: "At least six people were killed in a mass shooting Tuesday night inside a Walmart in Chesapeake, Virginia, and the shooter is also dead, city officials said early Wednesday."

The comment: Guns.

Again.

Once again, our existing laws and their levels of enforcement were unable to prevent the tragedy of these deaths by gunshot.

On average, based upon data from 2020*, a death from gunshot occurs roughly every 12 minutes in the United States of America. Every 12 minutes, every hour, every day, around the clock.

Guns.

Again.

Ref: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/02/03/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/
 
Another mass shooting just four days after the last? But guns aren't a problem, right? Let's hear all the predictable gun nut excuses; 'only bad guys...'
Something has to give; this cannot be allowed to continue unaddressed. Sadly nobody in a position to do something is willing to upset the gun lobbly and the NRA which donates millions in bribes to politicians. Mitt Romney, for example, has been given over $13 million by the NRA...
elections.bradyunited.org

Brady | Which Senators Have Benefitted the Most from NRA Money?

They've taken money from the NRA, all while blocking lifesaving gun safety legislation.
elections.bradyunited.org
 
Torus34 said:
The link: https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/22/us/chesapeake-virginia-walmart-shooting/index.html

The lede: "At least six people were killed in a mass shooting Tuesday night inside a Walmart in Chesapeake, Virginia, and the shooter is also dead, city officials said early Wednesday."

The comment: Guns.

Again.

Once again, our existing laws and their levels of enforcement were unable to prevent the tragedy of these deaths by gunshot.

On average, based upon data from 2020*, a death from gunshot occurs roughly every 12 minutes in the United States of America. Every 12 minutes, every hour, every day, around the clock.

Guns.

Again.

Ref: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/02/03/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/
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Reality - ****ed up people with total disregard for the lives of other folks.
Existing laws only work when properly and consistently enforced.
 
Torus34 said:
Hi, SMTA.

Thank you for reading my post and taking time to respond.

Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n un-shot.
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Excellent idea.
Same to you.
 
investigators believe the shooter was an employee or former employee of the store who opened fire on other employees in a break room, a law enforcement source told CNN.
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I will never understand these shootings.

We are so broken - so INCREDIBLY broken - when the “answer” that individuals are resorting to is shooting their colleagues, coworkers, fellow students, etc.
 
Heard a bunch of sirens last night. Now I know why.
 
BirdinHand said:
I will never understand these shootings.

We are so broken - so INCREDIBLY broken - when the “answer” that individuals are resorting to is shooting their colleagues, coworkers, fellow students, etc.
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I would say the same range of human emotions and reactions are in play as ever were. But, now, we have with technology given ourselves the capacity to amplify both the violence and the noises we make about it.
 
reinaert said:
I would say the same range of human emotions and reactions are in play as ever were. But, now, we have with technology given ourselves the capacity to amplify both the violence and the noises we make about it.
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Yeah, technology is definitely a double edged sword that way.
 
SNOWFLAKE said:
Read em and weep:

www.healthdata.org

On gun violence, the United States is an outlier | Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation

When we look exclusively at high-income countries and territories with populations of 10 million or more, the US ranks first for its high levels of gun violence.
www.healthdata.org www.healthdata.org
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It's just a percentage game for gun fetishists. They do nothing but present graphs, data, statistics which they believe exonerates them from any responsibility to address the issue. Getting on for 400 mass shootings so far this year. 31 in November alone!
www.gunviolencearchive.org

Mass Shootings in 2024 | Gun Violence Archive

Gun Violence Archive (GVA) is a not for profit corporation formed in 2013 to provide free online public access to accurate information about gun-related violence in the United States. GVA will collect and check for accuracy, comprehensive information about gun-related violence in the U.S. and...
www.gunviolencearchive.org www.gunviolencearchive.org
 
SNOWFLAKE said:
Read em and weep:

www.healthdata.org

On gun violence, the United States is an outlier | Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation

When we look exclusively at high-income countries and territories with populations of 10 million or more, the US ranks first for its high levels of gun violence.
www.healthdata.org www.healthdata.org
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Hi, SNOWFLAKE.

Thank you for posting that site. The United States does stand out from the pack when it comes to deaths per unit of population from gunshot.

I wonder how many of the other major countries have the equivalent of our Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America?

Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n un-shot.
 
SMTA said:
Reality - ****ed up people with total disregard for the lives of other folks.
Existing laws only work when properly and consistently enforced.
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Existing laws don't work because they don't significantly reduce the availability of firearms, particularly the kinds that make it easier to inflict mass casualties. Until we significantly reduce the supply of guns, this will continue to be a problem. That doesn't mean we shouldn't keep trying, but a law here, a background check there, a city or state ban on concealed weapons or limitations on magazines...doesn't work. There has to be a widespread, uniform effort toward control.
 
Torus34 said:
Hi, SNOWFLAKE.

Thank you for posting that site. The United States does stand out from the pack when it comes to deaths per unit of population from gunshot.

I wonder how many of the other major countries have the equivalent of our Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America?

Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n un-shot.
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The 2nd Amendment isn't the problem; the direction of the Courts and their silly interpretations of the Constitution since about 2000 has been, remains, and will continue to be a massive problem. The GOP rigged the Courts with unhinged right wing ideologues who complain about judicial activism and then engage in exactly that on a scale unseen since the Roger Taney era.
 
multivita-man said:
Existing laws don't work because they don't significantly reduce the availability of firearms, particularly the kinds that make it easier to inflict mass casualties. Until we significantly reduce the supply of guns, this will continue to be a problem. That doesn't mean we shouldn't keep trying, but a law here, a background check there, a city or state ban on concealed weapons or limitations on magazines...doesn't work. There has to be a widespread, uniform effort toward control.
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Hi, Multivita-man.

Thank you for taking time to post a comment.

Our politicians here in the US at all levels, city, state and most particularly federal, are lacking in feck more than somewhat when it comes to this issue.

Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n un-shot.
 
BirdinHand said:
I will never understand these shootings.

We are so broken - so INCREDIBLY broken - when the “answer” that individuals are resorting to is shooting their colleagues, coworkers, fellow students, etc.
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No, this doesn't reflect on all of us. It reflects on the rabid gun-culture that infests our daily lives. Combine non-existent gun laws with mental illness and what we get are a lot of dead people. We need a culture change, and I don't know if America can do that.
 
TXNormalGOP said:
No, this doesn't reflect on all of us. It reflects on the rabid gun-culture that infests our daily lives. Combine non-existent gun laws with mental illness and what we get are a lot of dead people. We need a culture change, and I don't know if America can do that.
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It does reflect on all of us though.

People don’t just get to the point of mass murder overnight. In almost every situation where we have seen a mass shooter - there is an “after the fact” look back on that person and a million bright, waving red flags.

That WE as a somehow, again, missed. If we’d stop ignoring those gigantic red flags, we could solve this.
 
BirdinHand said:
I will never understand these shootings.

We are so broken - so INCREDIBLY broken - when the “answer” that individuals are resorting to is shooting their colleagues, coworkers, fellow students, etc.
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I don't think Americans are more "broken" than any other nationalities. It's just that in moments of doubt, despair, depression and anger, a gun is more readily available to an American as any other person from most countries. That's it.
 
Torus34 said:
The link: https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/22/us/chesapeake-virginia-walmart-shooting/index.html

The lede: "At least six people were killed in a mass shooting Tuesday night inside a Walmart in Chesapeake, Virginia, and the shooter is also dead, city officials said early Wednesday."

The comment: Guns.

Again.

Once again, our existing laws and their levels of enforcement were unable to prevent the tragedy of these deaths by gunshot.

On average, based upon data from 2020*, a death from gunshot occurs roughly every 12 minutes in the United States of America. Every 12 minutes, every hour, every day, around the clock.

Guns.

Again.

Ref: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/02/03/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/
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Once again, It does not matter that such incidents occur on occasion. Despite the news making much out of them, they are still relatively rare considering the number of guns Americans possess (millions) and which either do no harm, or serve to protect citizens from harm.

For comparison, there are 1.3 million deaths each year worldwide caused by car accidents per the World Health Organization. https://www.forbes.com/advisor/legal/auto-accident/car-accident-deaths/

In the US alone, there were 42,915 deaths and several million injuries from car accidents in 2021. This does not include incidents like the man who ran down and killed several people marching in a parade a while back.

We don't see people asking to ban motor vehicles except for use by government and law enforcement, do we?

Alarmism is not going to solve the real problems, which are issues of both crime and mental health.
 
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multivita-man said:
Existing laws don't work because they don't significantly reduce the availability of firearms, particularly the kinds that make it easier to inflict mass casualties. Until we significantly reduce the supply of guns, this will continue to be a problem. That doesn't mean we shouldn't keep trying, but a law here, a background check there, a city or state ban on concealed weapons or limitations on magazines...doesn't work. There has to be a widespread, uniform effort toward control.
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Wrong.
Don’t deal with the mental health problems of these ****ed up people and the problem will always exist.
Guns are a tool, not the root cause.
 
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