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At least 32 Palestinians killed in Gaza as IDF fires on crowds seeking food

Individual said:
During a conflict, it's not easy to know if someone is armed or not. Perhaps one may have been a suicide bomber?
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Armies shouldn't fire on unarmed civilians, even if there might be a terrorist mixed in there. This is so simple to understand!
 
Tigerace117 said:
Gee, sounds like the IDF is nothing more than a vicious oppressor and Palestinians would have every right to fight back then.
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I posted a solution in my post #7. Complaining doesn't resolve anything.
 
Phys251 said:
Armies shouldn't fire on unarmed civilians, even if there might be a terrorist mixed in there. This is so simple to understand!
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How do you differentiate between a civilian and a terrorist?
 
Individual said:
I posted a solution in my post #7. Complaining doesn't resolve anything.
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Your “solution” has already proven to be meaningless, as Israel doesn’t care about the hostages.

Indeed. Imposing massive sanctions on Israel for its incessant attacks on Palestinian civilians would be a much better first step.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Except for the fact that Iran and Syria have entirely different religious and ethnic breakdowns. The Azeris and Balochs have never shown much ability to accomplish any sort of secession; the Iranian Kurds are much quieter than their brethren across the borders.

This isn’t the same situation as Syria where Assad’s core support base was a small coastal minority largely holding together most of the country through foreign support and tentative alliances
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Yeah, I didn't say the most likely outcome for Iran would be something similar to Syria. In fact I'd say the most likely outcome is something comparable to Egypt: an impotent, neutered vassal that is bribed into compliance.

Tigerace117 said:
The fact that the U.S. had happily attacked whatever countries Israel wants them to over the last few decades has not gone unnoticed, and it makes continuing to justify such campaigns exponentially harder given how disastrously things like Iraq have gone.

The last forty years of Western attempts at that haven’t gone very well for those trying.
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And this is kind of what I mean. Israel's opponents are reduced to hollow historical commentary and "But this time... SURELY the people will rise up!". We're betting on the power of friendship while Israel drops bunker busters on preschools. It's so absurd it's almost laughable.
 
Gozaburo said:
Yeah, I didn't say the most likely outcome for Iran would be something similar to Syria. In fact I'd say the most likely outcome is something comparable to Egypt: an impotent, neutered vassal that is bribed into compliance.



And this is kind of what I mean. Israel's opponents are reduced to hollow historical commentary and "But this time... SURELY the people will rise up!". We're betting on the power of friendship while Israel drops bunker busters on preschools. It's so absurd it's almost laughable.
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Yeah, but Egypt is an entirely different scenario too, because once Nasser died and Israel was forced out of the Sinai they didn’t really have any strong motive to oppose Israel to begin with. It hadn’t been ideological anymore, but rather about Israeli occupation of their core territory

The military hasn’t exactly had a great time recruiting wise in recent years, if you hadn’t noticed. Nor keeping people in service after a few years

Another decade long campaign of Americans dying in an unwinnable war is unlikely to make that remotely better.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Yeah, but Egypt is an entirely different scenario too, because once Nasser died and Israel was forced out of the Sinai they didn’t really have any strong motive to oppose Israel to begin with. It hadn’t been ideological anymore, but rather about Israeli occupation of their core territory

The military hasn’t exactly had a great time recruiting wise in recent years, if you hadn’t noticed. Nor keeping people in service after a few years

Another decade long campaign of Americans dying in an unwinnable war is unlikely to make that remotely better.
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We can agree to disagree. I think the future is going to play out in a very disappointing fashion for you.
 
Individual said:
How do you differentiate between a civilian and a terrorist?
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Stupid question. A better question is, how does one clear the extremely low bar of not murdering civilians? People who have a moral compass can easily answer this question.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Your “solution” has already proven to be meaningless, as Israel doesn’t care about the hostages.

Indeed. Imposing massive sanctions on Israel for its incessant attacks on Palestinian civilians would be a much better first step.
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Until employed nothing has been proven.
 
Phys251 said:
Stupid question. A better question is, how does one clear the extremely low bar of not murdering civilians? People who have a moral compass can easily answer this question.
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Keep civilians out of range within the area of conflict.
 
Individual said:
Keep civilians out of range within the area of conflict.
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So it's the civilians' fault if they get killed. Good job with the DARVO.

Does your moral compass include condemning the murder of civilians?
 
Phys251 said:
So it's the civilians' fault if they get killed. Good job with the DARVO.

Does your moral compass include condemning the murder of civilians?
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Avoid areas where war is taking place.
 
Phys251 said:
That's not an answer. Does your moral compass include condemning the murder of civilians?
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It's the best answer for those who wish to survive. I'd say Hamas has set the ground rules, making it impossible to identify with certainty who are just civilians. IMO, Israel recognizes as fact that there can be no peace as long as Hamas exists within Gaza, which leaves civilians within Gaza a choice between joining Hamas or assisting in ridding Gaza of Hamas.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Indiscriminate bombing campaigns are not something you do if you are worried about hostages.
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Perhaps they're not as indiscriminate as you might believe.
 
Individual said:
It's the best answer for those who wish to survive. I'd say Hamas has set the ground rules, making it impossible to identify with certainty who are just civilians. IMO, Israel recognizes as fact that there can be no peace as long as Hamas exists within Gaza, which leaves civilians within Gaza a choice between joining Hamas or assisting in ridding Gaza of Hamas.
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You still didn't answer my question. Does your moral compass include condemning the murder of civilians?
 
Phys251 said:
You still didn't answer my question. Does your moral compass include condemning the murder of civilians?
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Normally, yes.
Does your moral compass include condemning the taking, assaulting and keeping innocent civilians, Women, children and babies hostage, even after they have died?
 
Individual said:
Normally, yes.
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Normally? So there are exceptions?

Individual said:
Does your moral compass include condemning the taking, assaulting and keeping innocent civilians, Women, children and babies hostage, even after they have died?
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I have repeatedly condemned Hamas. Will you condemn the IDF?
 
Tigerace117 said:
Gee, so you are admitting you didn’t bother to read the article in question before you desperately started trying to defend Israel?
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All I did was ask a poster to prove a claim he posted. Then you came in an started a ruckus with your usual barrage of idiotic and illogical posts.
 
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