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Asymptomatic spread of coronavirus is ‘very rare,’ WHO says

phattonez said:
It's also wrong. It refers to people who never go on to develop symptoms, not pre symptomatic people. It's also based on a tiny Chinese study.
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Good thing Trump defunded WHO.

Also, why do we need them when we have you nearby?
 
Schism said:
Good thing Trump defunded WHO.

Also, why do we need them when we have you nearby?
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The WHO didn't lie about it. CNBC came up with that misleading headline.
 
phattonez said:
It's also wrong. It refers to people who never go on to develop symptoms, not pre symptomatic people. It's also based on a tiny Chinese study.
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Do you have a link for that? Seems like the quotes from Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove in the article dismiss infection by anyone not actively showing symptoms as rare.
 
Aberro said:
I have said it was a hoax to damage the USA and Trump from the start.
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Are you saying the whole world hates Trump? I wouldn't be surprised.
 
ReubenSherr said:
Seeing as how academic study after academic study has been botched, I would rather just see observational data at this point
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What good do you believe data is to someone without a class in the science? This is like someone that knows nothing about engines saying, "let me just taste the gas".
 
ecofarm said:
What good do you believe data is to someone without a class in the science? This is like someone that knows nothing about engines saying, "let me just taste the gas".
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People "with classes in the science" have now had three tries - two botched NEJM studies, and one botched study in the Lancet

Scientists are political and corruptible, just like politicians

Physicians all over the country are basing their treatment plans of patients on observational data, and their own personal expertise in the field - they are the ones best equipped to make decisions for their patients, not politically slanted researchers connected with liberal publications and universities, who purposely study only extremely ill patients, claim to have accurate data from hundreds of hospitals worldwide, and test HCQ as a preventative only on people who have already had sustained exposure to the virus
 
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ReubenSherr said:
Scientists are political and corruptible, just like politicians
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Scientists are not just like politicians. That's anti intellectualism.
 
ecofarm said:
Scientists are not just like politicians. That's anti intellectualism.
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Do you believe scientists are less corruptible?

This (I think) is the essence of the liberal vs. conservative feud over HCQ, masks, asymptomatic transmission, etc.

Liberals hold "accomplished intellectuals" (who they reward themselves) on this untouchable plain - anything Fauci says, anything the NEJM or the Lancet publishes, is higher than politics

The events of the past month have clearly showed us they are wrong
 
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ReubenSherr said:
Do you believe scientists are less corruptible?
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Having spent considerable time with them, published papers and a thesis, having conducted studies myself and spent more than my share of time in the ivory tower, I can assure you they're nothing like politicians. They're totally into one thing, their piece of their field, and couldn't much give a crap what anyone has to say about anything else. And if you're not in their field, they'll be happy to talk with you about what they're doing but they couldn't much give a damn about even another scientist's comments unless the fields overlap.

They're like football fans. The crazy ones. The ones that paint themselves for games. They know everything about their game, every stat every name every game every stadium and it's all they wanna talk about. They don't give a damn if the painted maniac next to them is a communist or Scientologist. They're doing their thing.

A buncha geeked up maniacs that will not shut up about whatever project they're currently working on. To the rest of us, it's like hearing about a new deck that Joe thinks is the most amazing thing ever devised.

They're professionals. Obsessed professionals. Most couldn't name a politician other than the President.


If politicians behaved like scientists, things would get done.
 
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ecofarm said:
Having spent considerable time with them, published papers and a thesis, having conducted studies myself and spent more than my share of time in the ivory tower, I can assure you they're nothing like politicians. They're totally into one thing, their piece of their field, and couldn't much give a crap what anyone has to say about anything else.
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I'm not saying there aren't great, objective scientists out there, and I'm sure you worked with some fantastic people

But scientists are human, they are corruptible, some are partisan, and they have to be judged on par with every other professional out there
 
ReubenSherr said:
I'm not saying there aren't great, objective scientists out there, and I'm sure you worked with some fantastic people

But scientists are human, they are corruptible, some are partisan, and they have to be judged on par with every other professional out there
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They have their thing. They don't care about politics. We've all had times in our lives when there wasn't time for politics. They're in that period.
 
ecofarm said:
They have their thing. They don't care about politics. We've all had times in our lives when there wasn't time for politics. They're in that period.
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https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMms1702111

"Health Effects of Dramatic Societal Events — Ramifications of the Recent Presidential Election" - New England Journal Of Medicine

https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMp078202

"Presidential Politics and the Resurgence of Health Care Reform" - New England Journal Of Medicine
 
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ReubenSherr said:
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Fauci is an expert, granted, and he's a bureaucrat. If he's publishing while spending time at the podium, then he's inconceivably driven.
 
What is 'rare' is a truly asymptomatic person (absolutely NO symptoms) as opposed to people who don't even realize they have slight symptoms. WHO has screwed up their message. Not surprising anymore. Stayed tuned for clarification.
 
holbritter said:
What is 'rare' is a truly asymptomatic person (absolutely NO symptoms) as opposed to people who don't even realize they have slight symptoms. WHO has screwed up their message. Not surprising anymore. Stayed tuned for clarification.
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Yep. This makes it tough during allergy season when people dismiss signs of being sick due to allergies.
 
Schism said:
You can only fantasize about 500K dead. With more information continuing to come out, it's likely we wouldn't have had many more deaths than we have now if we just kept going like Sweden.
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That is a fairy tale fantasy. What a silly statement.
 
holbritter said:
What is 'rare' is a truly asymptomatic person (absolutely NO symptoms) as opposed to people who don't even realize they have slight symptoms. WHO has screwed up their message. Not surprising anymore. Stayed tuned for clarification.
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Not sure tbh. I suspect it is the media that is screwing up the message and not WHO per say. Would not be the first time the media has done this by leaving context out of the reporting.

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holbritter said:
What is 'rare' is a truly asymptomatic person (absolutely NO symptoms) as opposed to people who don't even realize they have slight symptoms. WHO has screwed up their message. Not surprising anymore. Stayed tuned for clarification.
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PeteEU said:
Not sure tbh. I suspect it is the media that is screwing up the message and not WHO per say. Would not be the first time the media has done this by leaving context out of the reporting.

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Didn't take 24 hours.

WHO Scrambles to Clarify Comments on Asymptomatic Coronavirus Spread

I don't trust any of 'em anymore. Not the media, not the so-called experts. Livin' by common sense here: keep your distance, wash your hands; don't touch your face.
 
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