Associated Press: Mexican security chief confirms cartel family members entered US in a deal with Trump administration

[Pyrite]

Mexico’s drug cartels are in a constant state of flux. Over the decades, they have grown, splintered, forged new alliances, and battled one another for territory. The two cartels that pose the most significant drug trafficking threats [PDF] to the United States, according to the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA),

Mexico’s Long War: Drugs, Crime, and the Cartels

Violence continues to rage some two decades after the Mexican government launched a war against drug cartels.

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Post #197


So, why does trump believe the USA has a chance at this point in time of eliminating the cartels in Mexico that supply the bulk of the drugs provided to American customers?

 

[Pyrite]

Post #198

Do you believe we should send Afghans back to the Taliban, at the same time we provide shelter and financial assistance to cartel family members?

Yes.

Post #200


Thanks for answering.

 

[anatta]

The Afghans, at risk to themselves and to their families, HELPED the American military.

What part of this do you think doesn't deserve reciprocity on our part?

200,000 refugees is a lot more then Special Immigrant Visas. They literally rushed the planes to get out because of the chaos
The story now is managing all the cases - Congress had legislation Afghan Adjustment Act and did nothing

Refuges other then those qualifying for a SIV are now deportable with the end of TPS

 

[Hello My Son]

Post #200


Thanks for answering.

My pleasure.

 

[Pyrite]

200,000 refugees is a lot more then Special Immigrant Visas. They literally rushed the planes to get out because of the chaos
The story now is managing all the cases - Congress had legislation Afghan Adjustment Act and did nothing

Refuges other then those qualifying for a SIV are now deportable with the end of TPS

Interesting, but your word for something isn't good enough.

Prove the accuracy of the statements you've made in Post #203:

Copy and paste excerpts from credible sources to which you provide the links.

 

[anatta]

Post #197


So, why does trump believe the USA has a chance at this point in time of eliminating the cartels in Mexico that supply the bulk of the drugs provided to American customers?

why does any drug warrior? We can't beat Mexican cartels, we can only beat them back across the border
Mexico obviously is helpless against their corrupted institutions.. as a Libertarian the only workable answer is remove the profit by legalization

 

[anatta]

Interesting, but your word for something isn't good enough.

Prove the accuracy of the statements you've made in Post #203:

Copy and paste excerpts from credible sources to which you provide the links.

ROFL..have a good night

 

[Pyrite]

ROFL..have a good night

I can see why you're laughing. The number of Afghans trump is heartlessly deporting isn't 200,000, as you implied in Post #203. (Where did you get that number....Zerohedge? Conservativetreehouse? Faux? Tucker?)

It's c. 9,000.

https://www.npr.org/2025/05/13/nx-s1-5397007/trump-tps-afghanistan-afrikaner

As many as 9,000 Afghan refugees are at risk of deportation, as the Trump administration has ended the temporary protected status (TPS) that allowed them to stay in the U.S. legally. The White House says their country is no longer dangerous for them, a contention that confounds Afghanistan watchers.

"It's a death penalty for them if they return," said Zia Ghafoori, who worked as an interpreter in combat with U.S. Army Special Forces from 2002 to 2014....


Back to the fact trump is protecting and providing for pampered family members of the sinister and deadly Sinaloa drug cartel but is at the same time ending TPS for Afghans who helped our military: this represents a yuuuuuuuuuuuge lack of decency, to say the least, on the part of trump, on the part of Rubio, and, of course, on the part of MAGA.

If we're going to take care of the former, to whom we owe not a damn thing, we certainly should keep on taking care of the latter, to whom we owe something. And who face the very real possibility of harm when they're returned to the Taliban.

 

[Felis Leo]

If the family members are thoroughly vetted and pose no danger, why not? If it handicaps a huge drug cartel, that's a good thing, isn't it? Anyone with a valid asylum application should be allowed in.

Fair enough, Josie. But if you and I were agree on this subject (and I do agree) and say "Hey, so long as the family members of drug cartel bosses are thoroughly vetted and pose no danger" then I would just take the next logical step and advocate for everyone to be allowed into the United States who is thoroughly vetted and poses no danger. And to be clear, if adult family members of the leader of a designated terrorist organization can pass that test, I would say 99.99% of all people wanting to move into the United States could. And because I am pro-immigration, I would want them welcomed in by those same standards. I want as many people who want to move to the United States and make a life for themselves to move in and contribute to our great nation to be able to do so. Again, so long as they are no more dangerous than the average adult family members of a terrorist organization's leader, that is.

That would certainly cover the people I care about, i.e., Afghan refugees, Haitian refugees, Ukrainian refugees, and millions of others from across the world yearning for safety, freedom and prosperity.

 

[CANON]

Afghan translators are not being removed by Trump. He is ending all refugee ( not specific translators) Temporary Protected Status (TPS).

Okay, it isn't just translators being removed, it is also those that literally helped drop bombs on the Taliban and fought beside US soldiers. That doesn't make it any better.

The family members are not considered cartel members.

My bad, I did mean to say cartel family members. My point still stands, protecting cartel family members is okay but protecting Afghani family members of those that fought terrorists with the US is not?

He's rolling everything up into a plea deal if i understand it

Does a plea deal prevent chapo from buying a pardon? After Ross Ulbricht of silk road fame, we know tRump doesn't have an issue with giving a pardon to someone involved in the trade of murder and drugs.

Because who better to fight the really bad cartels than those that know all the inner workings, with a strong leader, and a beautiful wife.

 

[Felis Leo]

Okay, it isn't just translators being removed, it is also those that literally helped drop bombs on the Taliban and fought beside US soldiers. That doesn't make it any better.




My bad, I did mean to say cartel family members. My point still stands, protecting cartel family members is okay but protecting Afghani family members of those that fought terrorists with the US is not?




Does a plea deal prevent chapo from buying a pardon? After Ross Ulbricht of silk road fame, we know tRump doesn't have an issue with giving a pardon to someone involved in the trade of murder and drugs.

Because who better to fight the really bad cartels than those that know all the inner workings, with a strong leader, and a beautiful wife.

Well, remember, if El Chapo's henchmen parked a literal mountain of a few hundred million dollars in saran-wrapped stacks of cash in the parking lot of Mar-a-Lago and payed Donald Trump for their leader's freedom via a pardon, what law would Donald Trump be breaking if he granted it since the Emoluments Clause apparently does not apply to him?

 

[Absentglare]

Offering protection and safety for the family members of the cartel.

Terminating protection for Afghan allies and their families that helped you during the war in Afghanistan that could result in death sentences when they are deported.

Why can't they both be protected? Why can't you do two things at once?

America is so ****ed up these days with their insane and hypocritical policies.

They’re hiding the crime behind an alleged plea deal.

It doesn’t take much for MAGA to excuse a blatant contradiction. Trump is deporting folks who did nothing wrong and he’s accepting folks who are the worst kind of criminals.

 

[Absentglare]

Fair enough, Josie. But if you and I were agree on this subject (and I do agree) and say "Hey, so long as the family members of drug cartel bosses are thoroughly vetted and pose no danger" then I would just take the next logical step and advocate for everyone to be allowed into the United States who is thoroughly vetted and poses no danger. …

Oof, you really just completely destroyed her entire argument there.

I would challenge anyone to explain what they want the undocumented immigrants to do in order to be able to stay here legally. I wonder if MAGA folks have much concept of what the process entails and how people are rejected without any good reason, just because we’re hitting some arbitrary quota.

But I guess bureaucracy is good for MAGA when it blocks hispanic folks from legally immigrating.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

They aren’t criminals themselves.

It’s a family business, Josie.

And the ex-wife actually did launder money.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Fair enough, Josie. But if you and I were agree on this subject (and I do agree) and say "Hey, so long as the family members of drug cartel bosses are thoroughly vetted and pose no danger" then I would just take the next logical step and advocate for everyone to be allowed into the United States who is thoroughly vetted and poses no danger. And to be clear, if adult family members of the leader of a designated terrorist organization can pass that test, I would say 99.99% of all people wanting to move into the United States could. And because I am pro-immigration, I would want them welcomed in by those same standards. I want as many people who want to move to the United States and make a life for themselves to move in and contribute to our great nation to be able to do so. Again, so long as they are no more dangerous than the average adult family members of a terrorist organization's leader, that is.

That would certainly cover the people I care about, i.e., Afghan refugees, Haitian refugees, Ukrainian refugees, and millions of others from across the world yearning for safety, freedom and prosperity.

Well said. Thank you.

 

[Felis Leo]

It’s a family business, Josie.

And the ex-wife actually did launder money.

Hey, if @Josie honestly believes that these people should be forgiven their sins and the sins of their fathers and be allowed to make a home in the United States, I am actually all for that. I would just ask that this principle of extraordinary charity and neighborliness be applied to all people who want to make a new life in the United States in equal measure. Not just cartel aristocracy.

 

[tharock220]

The family of cartel leaders live in my subdivision north of Houston. They're regular people. Their children go to Cooper just like our daughters.

As long as they came through legally and aren't criminals, all good.

 

[Felis Leo]

The family of cartel leaders live in my subdivision north of Houston. They're regular people. Their children go to Cooper just like our daughters.

As long as they came through legally and aren't criminals, all good.

What "legal" channel do you think drug cartel leaders families go through, tharock220? EB-5 Visa perhaps?

Because I believe that if cartel aristocracy can go through such channels and become legal residents, literally anyone should be able to.

 

[Jessie C]

Don't worry about it.
Trump is trying to clean up the damage caused by Bidens indifference to the border.

Trump has never in his miserable life "cleaned up" anything, he only makes ugly uglier.

 

[Hello My Son]

It’s a family business, Josie.

And the ex-wife actually did launder money.

And like that, the left's concerns about due process were gone...

 

[tharock220]

What "legal" channel do you think drug cartel leaders families go through, tharock220?

Because I believe that if cartel aristocracy can go through such channels and become legal residents, literally anyone should be able to.

They used their connections to make it happen.

Knowing the right people helps in life.

 

[Hello My Son]

Trump has never in his miserable life "cleaned up" anything, he only makes ugly uglier.

The Southern border looks a lot prettier these days.

 

[Felis Leo]

They used their connections to make it happen.

Knowing the right people helps in life.

Well, that doubtlessly true, tharock220. But then, if your cartel aristocrat neighbors used their connections, bribery and chicanery and were able to use laundered cartel blood money to buy an EB-5 Visa or something similar, it is highly dubious that they came in through "legal" means, isn't it? No more than someone obtaining a visa or green card by fraud is here "legally" anyway.

Be that as it may, I am of the opinion that so long as people have presented themselves for vetting and are found to be no more dangerous or criminal than your average cartel aristocrat, they should be given legal residency and allowed to start a new life in the United States, including working their way to citizenship.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

And like that, the left's concerns about due process were gone...

We’ve all been arguing for weeks and you guys still haven’t figured out what due process is.

 

[Aristaeus]

Righties will find an answer for this, bet on it.

Our lord Trump moves on mysterious ways. His 4D chess playing is beyond the understanding of us mere mortals.