Associated Press: Mexican security chief confirms cartel family members entered US in a deal with Trump administration (1 Viewer)

[Pyrite]

Quite the non sequitor post. Well done!

Well done yourself....

 

[Serenity]

Offering protection and safety for the family members of the cartel.

Terminating protection for Afghan allies and their families that helped you during the war in Afghanistan that could result in death sentences when they are deported.

Why can't they both be protected? Why can't you do two things at once?

America is so ****ed up these days with their insane and hypocritical policies.

 

[Nickyjo]

At this point nothing the democrats cans say or do can changes the mess they made of the country in the past 4 years. Lies, deceit, hatred, hiding the incapacitated state of the U.S. President and telling us he was super fine. Lies about Trump Russian collusion, ignoring Biden's 15+ years of having classified documents in his garage, his son taking money from our enemies, closing our schools, our churches, the lied about Covids origins. The list is endless. Nothing, literally nothing compares with what the democrats did to us. Just the constant diversion to hide the shit they pulled. Nobody has any faith in the democrats, and despite all the left says, they still have a lower approval rating than Trump.

Yeah, infrastructure, lower insulin prices, 70-year low in unemployment, strongest economic recovery among the G-7 nations… all of this horrible.

And Biden returned the documents when discovered. No need for a subpoena— which Trump ignored.

 

[anatta]

What does Biden have to do with the current administration removing those that assisted the US in the fight against terrorism?

Afghan translators are not being removed by Trump. He is ending all refugee ( not specific translators) Temporary Protected Status (TPS).

The tourism industry in Mexico is booming, so why should cartel members be protected?

The family members are not considered cartel members.

How much does chapo pay for a pardon? What about a pardon and assistance in removing any of his opposition, I mean cooperating with US authorities?

He's rolling everything up into a plea deal if i understand it

 

[Pyrite]

Offering protection and safety for the family members of the cartel.

Terminating protection for Afghan allies and their families that helped you during the war in Afghanistan that could result in death sentences when they are deported.

Why can't they both be protected? Why can't you do two things at once?

America is so ****ed up these days with their insane and hypocritical policies.

Post #177

"Why can't they both be protected? Why can't you do two things at once?"

Because there's no desire to help anyone but Sinaloa drug Cartel family members and certain white South Africans.

 

[Michael Cole]

I'm very aware of the so-called reasoning behind providing protection and financial assistance to these people.

I'm also aware that trump is withdrawing protection for others at the same time and sending them back to face near-certain death.

Moreover, I've made it clear that I consider his goal of eradicating the Sinaloa Cartel as a fool's errand: it's in another country, it's entrenched, it's extremely powerful. PLUS, even if the near-impossible were to be accomplished, so what? There are other cartels who supply the same drugs. And we both know what trump and MAGA is ignoring: something always fills a vacuum.

Why the **** are we spending our resources on this AT THE SAME TIME we're shoving others out the door? What makes these people more important? We aren't going to stop the drug shipments to the USA. But now, we've made it easier for the Sinaloa Cartel to operate in the USA. AND we're paying them to be here.

At the same time we're forcing Afghans who helped us to go back to the Taliban.

This isn't right.

(And what's in it for trump?)

If others are indicted because of testimony from the family, then Mexico will extradite the cartel members. That's the goal.

 

[marduc]

No one should be deported without due process. Trump has done things wrong and he has done some things right. It's not "blind support" to say so. Most things in life have gray areas. It most definitely is blind support and bowing down to a cult leader(s) to never criticize him/her/them and refuse to believe anything negative. This is where the tribalists sit today on the left and right. They do not dare say a word against their "team" and the other "team" is wrong about everything. That's just not logical, therefore, I sit at a different table.

Ok props for your post. But can you elaborate how the current situation differs from the current exportation of protected asylum seekers and how this exceptional exception differs from any of the other recent deportation that are in similar situations? There are legitimate asylum seekers that are currently being rationalized to the "rubes"bas being anathema to our national security to the point of it being a so called "emergency"

If we are having a national emergency then let's at least maintain a vague appearance of being consistent about it.

This entire situation does not pass the sniff test and screams hypocricy.. legitimacy of the potential testimony notwithstanding.

 

[Pyrite]

Afghan translators are not being removed by Trump. He is ending all refugee ( not specific translators) Temporary Protected Status (TPS).

What do you think this means? It means the obvious:

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/13/us/politics/trump-refugees-white-south-africa-aghanistan.html

On the same day that dozens of white South Africans arrived in the United States as refugees, at the invitation of President Trump himself, his administration said thousands of Afghans could be deported starting this summer....

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Post #179

 

[Pyrite]

If others are indicted because of testimony from the family, then Mexico will extradite the cartel members. That's the goal.

Post #181


So what? We already have 2 family members in custody.

Why would anyone believe that the Sinaloa Cartel will simply disappear if we manage to imprison a few more people?

And why would anyone believe that the other cartels won't simply step into the breach? Or that a new entity won't appear to fill the vaccuum?

 

[anatta]

A presumption of innocence NOT granted to way to many people who have been deported without due process of late.

the AEA language does not say anything about due process. SCOTUS has ruled though they have to get a habeus hearing
Other courts have gone much further in describing due process. There are millions of migrants already under deportation orders.
they need a quick habeus (which SCOTUS is proscribing) and out

Do you not see this hypocrisy? That is the ENTIRE point of this thread, yet you are trying to point at squirrels and obfuscate. Much like a few others in this thread

I see a criminal turning states wishes for his plea deal. Nothing to do with migrant encounters

 

[Pyrite]

Post #181


So what? We already have 2 family members in custody.

Why would anyone believe that the Sinaloa Cartel will simply disappear if we manage to imprison a few more people?

And why would anyone believe that the other cartels won't simply step into the breach? Or that a new entity won't appear to fill the vaccuum?

Have we learning nothing from the war on drugs?

Even if we could eliminate one of many drug cartels in Mexico, the demand in the USA will continue. That means supply will continue, too.

 

[Pyrite]

Have we learning nothing from the war on drugs?

Even if we could eliminate one of many drug cartels in Mexico, the demand in the USA will continue. That means supply will continue, too.

If we HAVE to protect and financially provide for family members of the Sinaloa Cartel, then shouldn't we also continue to protect the Afghans who put their lives and those of their families on the line for our soldiers in a war zone?

 

[Michael Cole]

Post #181


So what? We already have 2 family members in custody.

Why would anyone believe that the Sinaloa Cartel will simply disappear if we manage to imprison a few more people?

And why would anyone believe that the other cartels won't simply step into the breach? Or that a new entity won't appear to fill the vaccuum?

Like I said, there's more to this than we're being told.

Guzmán Lopez is one of the brothers left running a faction of the Sinaloa Cartel after notorious capo Joaquín “El Chapo” Guzmán was imprisoned in the U.S. Video showed the family members walking across the border from Tijuana with their suitcases to waiting U.S. agents.

The agents know what's going on. We don't.

 

[anatta]

What do you think this means? It means the obvious:

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/13/us/politics/trump-refugees-white-south-africa-aghanistan.html

On the same day that dozens of white South Africans arrived in the United States as refugees, at the invitation of President Trump himself, his administration said thousands of Afghans could be deported starting this summer....

Post #179

paywalled. TPS is a temporary status. 200,000 Afghan refugees flooded in because of Biden's incompetency - just like his open borders
Trump is cleaning up another Biden mess.

As Trump ends protections, many Afghans in U.S. fear deportation and murder at hands of Taliban | Houston Public Media

Roughly 200,000 Afghans have come to the U.S. since the Taliban seized Kabul in August 2021. There are now about 10,000 in Greater Houston. Even those with a pathway to U.S. citizenship are worried about their future as President Donald Trump has steadily eliminated their legal protections.

www.houstonpublicmedia.org

It doesn’t matter just how you got here, just during the Biden (presidency). Just now they restarted or just to check in background on everyone," Amiri said. "We don’t feel safe, and we don’t feel good because now, we feel threatened, if they send us back to our country, it will be the same story. (We) feel threatened of to be tortured, maybe be killed by Taliban."

 

[Hello My Son]

Post #171


It's obvious you have no clue re how these people are going to be supported financially.

Incorrect.

Do they have skills to get jobs?

I don't do your work. If you have questions and haven't done your own research to find the answers, then it's not my job to do that for you. It's your job to find your own sources, click your own links, and do your own reading so that you can inform yourself on the topic at hand. Stop relying on others to do your work for you.

Will the cartel be sending them monthly stipends?

See above.

Will taxpayers be footing their bills?

See above.

If you want to argue that these 17 "family members" will be in prisons here in the USA, say so.

Why would I say something that isn't my argument?

If you don't understand how our country's witness protection program works, that is because you have failed to adequately educate yourself.

I will not do your work. Again, if you have questions and haven't done your own research to find the answers, then it's not my job to do that for you. It's your job to find your own sources, click your own links, and do your own reading so that you can inform yourself on the topic at hand. Stop relying on others to do your work for you.

And try to make the case for it. Because nothing in the information available at this point indicates this will be the case.

You're going to need to make a case that these family members are guilty of something. You continue to implicate them as being somehow involved in cartel crimes, without any evidence. This is your job to build your case. In the article posted by the OP, a US attorney clearly states that they are making deals to catch cartel leaders, and there are obvious signs that these family members are specifically related to that dealmaking. If you would like to formulate an alternative explanation, you're going to need to do something more than simply complain and put it on others to do your work.

Because again, if you're making an argument and haven't done your own research to find any evidence whatsoever to support your claims, then it's not my job to do that for you. It's your job to find your own sources, click your own links, and do your own reading so that you can inform yourself on the topic at hand. Stop relying on others to do your work for you.

 

[marduc]

I see a criminal turning states wishes for his plea deal. Nothing to do with migrant encounters

I never brought up migrant encounters that is irrelevant and another attempt at a "ohh look a squirrel" red herring on your part. It also renders the rest of your "rebuttal" moot.

Points for consistency!

 

[Pyrite]

Like I said, there's more to this than we're being told.

Guzmán Lopez is one of the brothers left running a faction of the Sinaloa Cartel after notorious capo Joaquín “El Chapo” Guzmán was imprisoned in the U.S. Video showed the family members walking across the border from Tijuana with their suitcases to waiting U.S. agents.

The agents know what's going on. We don't.

No, we don't have to know more. If you've read my texts, you will see that I've been pointing out the utter futility of trying to destroy ONE of the MANY drug cartels that supply the demand north of the Mexican border.

The utter futility of thinking that if we only get rid of ONE drug cartel, we'll make a serious and significant dent in the supply of the drugs, which, of course, will magically reduce demand in the USA.

C'mon....you're not MAGA. You show, every day, that you use critical thinking. And common sense. This isn't going to work. We're not in Mexico. We cannot take out all or even most of the supply coming in from that country. We cannot simply wish away the enormous demand for the drugs in this country.

We don't need to protect and subsidize pampered cartel "family members". And we sure as hell shouldn't be doing it at the same time we're not only abandoning those who stood by our troops during wartime, but we're actually sending them back to face near-certain death.

 

[Pyrite]

Incorrect.



I don't do your work. If you have questions and haven't done your own research to find the answers, then it's not my job to do that for you. It's your job to find your own sources, click your own links, and do your own reading so that you can inform yourself on the topic at hand. Stop relying on others to do your work for you.



See above.



See above.



Why would I say something that isn't my argument?

If you don't understand how our country's witness protection program works, that is because you have failed to adequately educate yourself.

I will not do your work. Again, if you have questions and haven't done your own research to find the answers, then it's not my job to do that for you. It's your job to find your own sources, click your own links, and do your own reading so that you can inform yourself on the topic at hand. Stop relying on others to do your work for you.



You're going to need to make a case that these family members are guilty of something. You continue to implicate them as being somehow involved in cartel crimes, without any evidence. This is your job to build your case. In the article posted by the OP, a US attorney clearly states that they are making deals to catch cartel leaders, and there are obvious signs that these family members are specifically related to that dealmaking. If you would like to formulate an alternative explanation, you're going to need to do something more than simply complain and put it on others to do your work.

Because again, if you're making an argument and haven't done your own research to find any evidence whatsoever to support your claims, then it's not my job to do that for you. It's your job to find your own sources, click your own links, and do your own reading so that you can inform yourself on the topic at hand. Stop relying on others to do your work for you.

A wordy but useless message. You provide no information. Not even any insight into the topic of this thread.

But you do complain about moi.

Well, you've vented. Do you feel better now?


LOL

 

[Hello My Son]

What dealmakers we have in our government, making those deals with terrorists! Hopefully Trump the Trump Presidential Library will at least get a nice plane out of this deal.




Yeah. Deliberately bringing cartel members into the US in as part of a deal struck while negotiating with terrorists. Self-evident indeed.

You're making up that they're "cartel members." Just because they're related to people in the cartel doesn't make them "cartel members."

This is common sense. Stop making dramatic and attention-seeking posts.

 

[Hello My Son]

A wordy but useless message. You provide no information.

But you do complain about moi.

Well, you've vented. Do you feel better now?


LOL

If you want to make a case for your assertions and arguments here, then you are free to do so.

I don't do your work. It's not my job to find evidence and click links on your behalf. It's your job to find your own sources, click your own links, and do your own reading so that you can inform yourself on the topic at hand and provide evidence supporting your positions.

Stop relying on others to do your work for you.

 

[Pyrite]

paywalled. TPS is a temporary status. 200,000 Afghan refugees flooded in because of Biden's incompetency - just like his open borders
Trump is cleaning up another Biden mess.

As Trump ends protections, many Afghans in U.S. fear deportation and murder at hands of Taliban | Houston Public Media

Roughly 200,000 Afghans have come to the U.S. since the Taliban seized Kabul in August 2021. There are now about 10,000 in Greater Houston. Even those with a pathway to U.S. citizenship are worried about their future as President Donald Trump has steadily eliminated their legal protections.

www.houstonpublicmedia.org

It doesn’t matter just how you got here, just during the Biden (presidency). Just now they restarted or just to check in background on everyone," Amiri said. "We don’t feel safe, and we don’t feel good because now, we feel threatened, if they send us back to our country, it will be the same story. (We) feel threatened of to be tortured, maybe be killed by Taliban."

The Afghans, at risk to themselves and to their families, HELPED the American military.

What part of this do you think doesn't deserve reciprocity on our part?

Why do you believe they deserve to be returned to the tender mercies of the Taliban?

I'm really curious re your mindset on this.

 

[anatta]

No, we don't have to know more. If you've read my texts, you will see that I've been pointing out the utter futility of trying to destroy ONE of the MANY drug cartels that supply the demand north of the Mexican border.

The utter futility of thinking that if we only get rid of ONE drug cartel, we'll make a serious and significant dent in the supply of the drugs, which, of course, will magically reduce demand in the USA.

C'mon....you're not MAGA. You show, every day, that you use critical thinking. And common sense. This isn't going to work. We're not in Mexico. We cannot take out all or even most of the supply coming in from that country. We cannot simply wish away the enormous demand for the drugs in this country.

We don't need to protect and subsidize pampered cartel "family members". And we sure as hell shouldn't be doing it at the same time we're not only abandoning those who stood by our troops during wartime, but we're actually sending them back to face near-certain death.

Mexico’s drug cartels are in a constant state of flux. Over the decades, they have grown, splintered, forged new alliances, and battled one another for territory. The two cartels that pose the most significant drug trafficking threats [PDF] to the United States, according to the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA),

Mexico’s Long War: Drugs, Crime, and the Cartels

Violence continues to rage some two decades after the Mexican government launched a war against drug cartels.

www.cfr.org

 

[Hello My Son]

No, we don't have to know more. If you've read my texts, you will see that I've been pointing out the utter futility of trying to destroy ONE of the MANY drug cartels that supply the demand north of the Mexican border.

The utter futility of thinking that if we only get rid of ONE drug cartel, we'll make a serious and significant dent in the supply of the drugs, which, of course, will magically reduce demand in the USA.

C'mon....you're not MAGA. You show, every day, that you use critical thinking. And common sense. This isn't going to work. We're not in Mexico. We cannot take out all or even most of the supply coming in from that country. We cannot simply wish away the enormous demand for the drugs in this country.

We don't need to protect and subsidize pampered cartel "family members". And we sure as hell shouldn't be doing it at the same time we're not only abandoning those who stood by our troops during wartime, but we're actually sending them back to face near-certain death.

Pro-cartel post noted.

 

[Pyrite]

Pro-cartel post noted.

Post #198

Do you believe we should send Afghans back to the Taliban, at the same time we provide shelter and financial assistance to cartel family members?

 

[Hello My Son]

Post #198

Do you believe we should send Afghans back to the Taliban, at the same time we provide shelter and financial assistance to cartel family members?

Yes.