Associated Press: Mexican security chief confirms cartel family members entered US in a deal with Trump administration

[Pyrite]

Obviously Guzmán Lopez is going to sing like a canary.
If he didn't cut a deal to get his family out they would be hanging from overpasses.

So what?

Afghans who helped this country would likely be strung up by the Taliban. But trump is sending them back.

Why are the lives of drug cartel family members worth saving but not those of people who actually HELPED the USA?

 

[marduc]

Sounds to me like they’re being brought here because they’re going to turn on the family member(s) who are part of the drug cartel. They aren’t criminals themselves.

And what of the "accused with no due process people" who were granted the right to remain in our country that are now in El Salvador or freshly deported for parallel circumstances?

Now we see a desire to give the benefit of doubt? SERIOUSLY?? WTF?

The reek of hypocrisy and double standards being demonstrated in blind support of the cultist leader is overpowering and revolting.

 

[Risky Thicket]

I am patiently waiting for the MAGAs to show up and explain this discrepancy.

Bring your lunch.

 

[Pyrite]

So what?

Afghans who helped this country would likely be strung up by the Taliban. But trump is sending them back.

Why are the lives of drug cartel family members worth saving but not those of people who actually HELPED the USA?

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/13/us/politics/sinaloa-cartel-terrorism.html

Federal prosecutors in Southern California filed narco-terrorism charges Tuesday against two leaders of the Sinaloa drug cartel, accusing them of offering material support for terrorism in connection with their alleged efforts to smuggle large amounts of fentanyl, cocaine, methamphetamine and heroin into the United States....

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Trump and MAGA are tacitly saying that family members of the sinister cartel that provides these drugs are somehow more worthy of protection than are Afghans who helped our military in that war.

 

[Michael Cole]

So what?

Afghans who helped this country would likely be strung up by the Taliban. But trump is sending them back.

Why are the lives of drug cartel family members worth saving but not those of people who actually HELPED the USA?

What Trump is doing to Afghans and all the others is evil, but these family members will likely become witnesses for the government. Trump is trying to bring down the Sinaloa cartel for good.

Hard to believe with Trump, but there is rhyme and reason to this. Or it could just be more theater. Time will tell.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

“It is evident that his family is going to the U.S. because of a negotiation or a plea bargain that the Department of Justice is giving him,” Mr. García Harfuch told the Mexican network Radio Fórmula.

“The family that left were not targets and were not being sought by the Mexican authorities,” he added. Mexican officials were waiting for the U.S. Department of Justice to share information, he said.

He said that he believed Mr. Guzmán López was naming members of criminal organizations, likely as part of a cooperation agreement.“

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/14/world/americas/mexico-cartel-chapo-family.html

The purpose, an agreement to bring family members to the U.S. and provide for their safety in exchange for information, is obvious.

Looks the American journalist community has their work cut out, uncovering the details of whatever agreement has been brokered.

 

[CANON]

Apple and Oranges. But if you want to go there the chaotic "withdrawal" (rout) was Biden's decision not to take over security at
Karzai International after being offered such by the Taliban

What does Biden have to do with the current administration removing those that assisted the US in the fight against terrorism?

The tourism industry in Mexico is booming, so why should cartel members be protected?

How much does chapo pay for a pardon? What about a pardon and assistance in removing any of his opposition, I mean cooperating with US authorities?

 

[Atomic Kid]

You doubt they are family members?

WTF did you get that from?

 

[marduc]

OP language is a presumption of innocence
"none of the family members were being pursued by Mexican authorities"

A presumption of innocence NOT granted to way to many people who have been deported without due process of late.

Do you not see this hypocrisy? That is the ENTIRE point of this thread, yet you are trying to point at squirrels and obfuscate. Much like a few others in this thread

<shrug>

 

[Pyrite]

What Trump is doing to Afghans and all the others is evil, but these family members will likely become witnesses for the government. Trump is trying to bring down the Sinaloa cartel for good.

This doesn't make me like Trump, but there is rhyme and reason to this. Or it could just be more theater. Time will tell.

I doubt very much whether trump and his administration (or any American administration, but trump's is particularly inept) are going to be able to bring down one of the several powerful Mexican drug cartels.

Besides, even if Sinaloa is seriously damaged for a while, the distribution of the drugs will simply be taken up by the other cartels or by new players.

In the meantime, we're wasting taxpayers' monies on supporting and protecting family members of the very "terrorists" who. according to trump, are waging war against us. This makes no sense. (Plus, while I'm unusually cynical, there's always the possibility that at least some of these "family members" will carry on the family business HERE.)

Especially when the same American leader and his minions are withdrawing protection and support from those who actually need and deserve it.

 

[Absentglare]

From the Associated Press:

Mexican security chief confirms cartel family members entered US in a deal with Trump administration

Mexico’s government has confirmed reports that 17 family members of the son of a former cartel leader crossed into the United States.

apnews.com

Okay, so now after all the ginned-up Republican uproar over the crisis at the border, the dangers presented by the drug, gun and human traffickers of Mexican Cartels, the violations of due process of citizens and immigrants in the United States, the suspension of status for Afghan and Haitian refugees, and ignoring orders of the Supreme Court...after all that, the Trump Administration is now apparently specifically importing the families of Sinaloa cartel members into the United States.

If this is confirmed to be true, this is insane. I mean, what, did the Sinaloa Cartel promise to allow the Trump Organization to build a new resort on Cartel territory in exchange for the boss's wife and kids being allowed to come to the United States?

I know folks don’t want to believe it, but Trump is running an organized crime syndicate out of the republican party.

This kind of move makes perfect sense once you understand that.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Pick from the following possible responses:

1. Denial: "The Mexican Security Chief is lying to make Trump look bad"
2. Pathetic deflection: "Uh...uh...I thought Democrats liked cartel members like Kilmar Abrego Garcia! Now you have a problem with cartel family members coming into the United States?! Hypocrisy much???"
3. Dishonest legalism: "Well, I do not have a problem with legal immigration. These folks were allowed into the United States by the President, and therefore are not illegal immigrants."
4. Honest: "I never really cared about illegal immigration. I just hate you and all Democratic voters and want you to die."
5. Response from Trump Supporter with a conscience: "Oh my God, I was wrong. I never should have voted for Donald Trump, what have I done?"

Well shit...no reason for MAGAs to participate now.

 

[GOP Hippo]

So what?

Afghans who helped this country would likely be strung up by the Taliban. But trump is sending them back.

Why are the lives of drug cartel family members worth saving but not those of people who actually HELPED the USA?

Those are completely different issues.

 

[Pyrite]

We couldn't "win" in Vietnam. We couldn't "win" in Iraq. We couldn't "win" in Afghanistan.

Why the heck does anyone think we can "win" in Mexico, against not one but many entrenched and powerful drug cartels?

 

[Pyrite]

Those are completely different issues.

No, they're not.

They're all refugees who want asylum here in the USA. So, what makes Sinaloa Cartel "family members" more worthy of being saved and protected and financially provided for than Afghans who helped us in that country during wartime?

 

[Michael Cole]

I doubt very much whether trump and his administration (or any American administration, but trump's is particularly inept) are going to be able to bring down one of the several powerful Mexican drug cartels.

Yeah, I have my doubts as to the competence of those involved.

Besides, even if Sinaloa is seriously damaged for a while, the distribution of the drugs will simply be taken up by the other cartels or by new players.

Most definitely.

In the meantime, we're wasting taxpayers' monies on supporting and protecting family members of the very "terrorists" who. according to trump, are waging war against us. This makes no sense. (Plus, while I'm unusually cynical, there's always the possibility that at least some of these "family members" will carry on the family business HERE.)

If they are going to testify for the government, then it makes perfect sense. They may be in protective custody for all we know.

Especially when the same American leader and his minions are withdrawing protection and support from those who actually need and deserve it.

Agree completely. Trump is evil. But this isn't what some are making it out to be.

El Chapo's brother is copping a plea. The family apparently was involved in the deal, but I don't see this as letting a gang family loose. There's more to this than we're being told.

Then again, this is Trump, so nothing would surprise me.

 

[CANON]

Those are completely different issues.

Only in that the US feels like it doesn’t need the assistance fighting those kind of terrorists anymore.

Doesn’t bode well for chapo’s family in the not too distant future.

(Unless they pay up!!)

 

[Pyrite]

Yeah, I have my doubts as to the competence of those involved.


Most definitely.


If they are going to testify for the government, then it makes perfect sense. They may be in protective custody for all we know.


Agree completely. Trump is evil. But this isn't what some are making it out to be.

El Chapo's brother is copping a plea. The family apparently was involved in the deal, but I don't see this as letting a gang family loose. There's more to this than we're being told.

Then again, this is Trump, so nothing would surprise me.

I'm very aware of the so-called reasoning behind providing protection and financial assistance to these people.

I'm also aware that trump is withdrawing protection for others at the same time and sending them back to face near-certain death.

Moreover, I've made it clear that I consider his goal of eradicating the Sinaloa Cartel as a fool's errand: it's in another country, it's entrenched, it's extremely powerful. PLUS, even if the near-impossible were to be accomplished, so what? There are other cartels who supply the same drugs. And we both know what trump and MAGA is ignoring: something always fills a vacuum.

Why the **** are we spending our resources on this AT THE SAME TIME we're shoving others out the door? What makes these people more important? We aren't going to stop the drug shipments to the USA. But now, we've made it easier for the Sinaloa Cartel to operate in the USA. AND we're paying them to be here.

At the same time we're forcing Afghans who helped us to go back to the Taliban.

This isn't right.

(And what's in it for trump?)

 

[Hello My Son]

Yet, once again, guess who is doing the bitching?

Based on this post, you are.

Care to add your opinion on the topic? If not, why are you commenting in the thread in the first place?

 

[Josie]

And what of the "accused with no due process people" who were granted the right to remain in our country that are now in El Salvador or freshly deported for parallel circumstances?

Now we see a desire to give the benefit of doubt? SERIOUSLY?? WTF?

The reek of hypocrisy and double standards being demonstrated in blind support of the cultist leader is overpowering and revolting.

No one should be deported without due process. Trump has done things wrong and he has done some things right. It's not "blind support" to say so. Most things in life have gray areas. It most definitely is blind support and bowing down to a cult leader(s) to never criticize him/her/them and refuse to believe anything negative. This is where the tribalists sit today on the left and right. They do not dare say a word against their "team" and the other "team" is wrong about everything. That's just not logical, therefore, I sit at a different table.

 

[Hello My Son]

Here's a question for you who support trump's bringing into this country 17 "family members" of the Sinaloa Cartel:


How are these "family members" going to support themselves financially?

It's insanely naive that you think these people are just going to be released into the public. Tell us more about your ignorance on the topic...

 

[Pyrite]

I'm very aware of the so-called reasoning behind providing protection and financial assistance to these people.

I'm also aware that trump is withdrawing protection for others at the same time and sending them back to face near-certain death.

Moreover, I've made it clear that I consider his goal of eradicating the Sinaloa Cartel as a fool's errand: it's in another country, it's entrenched, it's extremely powerful. PLUS, even if the near-impossible were to be accomplished, so what? There are other cartels who supply the same drugs. And we both know what trump and MAGA is ignoring: something always fills a vacuum.

Why the **** are we spending our resources on this AT THE SAME TIME we're shoving others out the door? What makes these people more important? We aren't going to stop the drug shipments to the USA. But now, we've made it easier for the Sinaloa Cartel to operate in the USA. AND we're paying them to be here.

At the same time we're forcing Afghans who helped us to go back to the Taliban.

This isn't right.

(And what's in it for trump?)

Trump, his administration, his and Bondi's DOJ, and MAGA are not going to consider any of these things.

That means it's up to non-cult members to take them into consideration. Sure, we can't change trump's actions, but we don't have to give them or him any benefit of the doubt.

 

[Integrityrespec]

At this point nothing the democrats cans say or do can changes the mess they made of the country in the past 4 years. Lies, deceit, hatred, hiding the incapacitated state of the U.S. President and telling us he was super fine. Lies about Trump Russian collusion, ignoring Biden's 15+ years of having classified documents in his garage, his son taking money from our enemies, closing our schools, our churches, the lied about Covids origins. The list is endless. Nothing, literally nothing compares with what the democrats did to us. Just the constant diversion to hide the shit they pulled. Nobody has any faith in the democrats, and despite all the left says, they still have a lower approval rating than Trump.

 

[Pyrite]

It's insanely naive that you think these people are just going to be released into the public. Tell us more about your ignorance on the topic...

Post #171


It's obvious you have no clue re how these people are going to be supported financially. Do they have skills to get jobs? Will the cartel be sending them monthly stipends? Will taxpayers be footing their bills?

If you want to argue that these 17 "family members" will be in prisons here in the USA, say so. And try to make the case for it. Because nothing in the information available at this point indicates this will be the case.

 

[marduc]

At this point nothing the democrats cans say or do can changes the mess they made of the country in the past 4 years. Lies, deceit, hatred, hiding the incapacitated state of the U.S. President and telling us he was super fine. Lies about Trump Russian collusion, ignoring Biden's 15+ years of having classified documents in his garage, his son taking money from our enemies, closing our schools, our churches, the lied about Covids origins. The list is endless. Nothing, literally nothing compares with what the democrats did to us. Just the constant diversion to hide the shit they pulled. Nobody has any faith in the democrats, and despite all the left says, they still have a lower approval rating than Trump.

Quite the non sequitor post. Well done!