Associated Press: Mexican security chief confirms cartel family members entered US in a deal with Trump administration (1 Viewer)

[Pyrite]

Here's a question for you who support trump's bringing into this country 17 "family members" of the Sinaloa Cartel:


How are these "family members" going to support themselves financially?

Trump Makes Stunning Deal With Mexican Cartel Leader

Why were family members of notorious cartel leader El Chapo allowed into the United States?

newrepublic.com

...The deal is a shocking development considering that President Trump started his political career by saying, “When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending the best.”

“They’re not sending you, they’re sending people that have lots of problems and they’re bringing those problems,” Trump said in his 2015 speech at Trump Tower in New York. “They’re bringing drugs, they’re bringing crime. They’re rapists, and some, I assume, are good people, but I speak to border guards and they’re telling us what we’re getting.”

Now it seems that some people with connections to cartel leaders, who are guilty of those things, get the privilege of coming to the U.S. How does Trump explain this decision?

 

[AConcernedCitizen]

“It is evident that his family is going to the U.S. because of a negotiation or an offer that the Department of Justice is giving him,” Garcia Harfuch said.

What dealmakers we have in our government, making those deals with terrorists! Hopefully Trump the Trump Presidential Library will at least get a nice plane out of this deal.

It's pretty self-evident what's going on here if one just reads the damn article instead of looking at the clickbait headline.

Yeah. Deliberately bringing cartel members into the US in as part of a deal struck while negotiating with terrorists. Self-evident indeed.

 

[RF667799]

Here's a question for you who support trump's bringing into this country 17 "family members" of the Sinaloa Cartel:


How are these "family members" going to support themselves financially?

You doubt they are family members?

 

[Pyrite]

You doubt they are family members?

Could be some are not.

But I have another concern:

How are these 17 "family members" going to support themselves financially here in the USA?

 

[RF667799]

Could be some are not.

But I have another concern:

How are these 17 "family members" going to support themselves financially here in the USA?

So you're speculating that the referenced articles are mistaken or untruthful.

 

[Pyrite]

So you're speculating that the referenced articles are mistaken or untruthful.

It seems to me that the sources are quoting a Mexican official, who perhaps is simply repeating what Sinaloa Cartel family members told him.

If there's disinformation, it can perhaps be attributed to trump's recently-designated "foreign terrorist group" that your party's leader claims is waging war against the USA.

Why on earth would the POTUS and CinC knowingly admit people associated with this terrorist group?


And how are these people going to support themselves here? By establishing new outlets for cartel products in the USA?

 

[Nickyjo]

From the Associated Press:

Mexican security chief confirms cartel family members entered US in a deal with Trump administration

Mexico’s government has confirmed reports that 17 family members of the son of a former cartel leader crossed into the United States.

apnews.com

Okay, so now after all the ginned-up Republican uproar over the crisis at the border, the dangers presented by the drug, gun and human traffickers of Mexican Cartels, the violations of due process of citizens and immigrants in the United States, the suspension of status for Afghan and Haitian refugees, and ignoring orders of the Supreme Court...after all that, the Trump Administration is now apparently specifically importing the families of Sinaloa cartel members into the United States.

If this is confirmed to be true, this is insane. I mean, what, did the Sinaloa Cartel promise to allow the Trump Organization to build a new resort on Cartel territory in exchange for the boss's wife and kids being allowed to come to the United States?

I think the reason they were allowed in is that the cartel agreed to henceforth call it the Gulf of America in their communications.

 

[Athanasius68]

@Athanasius68 is trying to deflect attention from trump's allowing into this country 17 "family members" of the trump-designated terrorist group that is waging war against....this country.

Not at all. I am pointing out that:
1. This seems to be part of a plea deal involving Cartel leadership
Which may be worthwhile

2. Progressive concern about who is crossing cannot be taken seriously.

 

[Pyrite]

I think the reason they were allowed in is that the cartel agreed to henceforth call it the Gulf of America in their communications.

Oh, shit....there went the covfefe!

Very good!

 

[Pyrite]

Not at all. I am pointing out that:
1. This seems to be part of a plea deal involving Cartel leadership
Which may be worthwhile

2. Progressive concern about who is crossing cannot be taken seriously.

YOU might not take "seriously" who is entering this country, but I sure am, when it comes to trump's allowing in those associated with the Sinaloa Cartel, which trump himself so recently designated as a "foreign terrorist group".

Given this reality, why on earth would trump bring them into this country?

And how are these 17 "family members" going to support themselves financially?

Or are taxpayers supposed to subsidize them?

 

[AConcernedCitizen]

Oh, shit....there went the covfefe!

Very good!

Do you have any idea how many tonnes of covfefe the cartel is smuggling into the country?

 

[anatta]

As I mentioned up thread, based on the facts of the article, the Trump administration is allowing the families of cartel members in the US because they may suffer persecution in their home country. Do you really not see the hypocrisy?

No because these are not they are not refuges with asylum claims. These are non-criminal Guzman family members.
One more time for those in the cheap seats then:

Guzman has info on other cartel operations. In return for him giving US investigators ( not Mexican as Guzman is in US custody)
Guzman wants his non-criminal family to come into the USA for protection from revenge killing etc. of these other cartel members.

Since Mexico is a narco-state unable to protect anyone - much less high value targets like Guzman's family- it's what Guzman wants as part of his plea agreement .. this is very common in any criminal /conspiracy investigation

Really this is all there is to the to the OP.

 

[Pyrite]

they are not refuges with asylum claims. These are Guzman family members. One more time for those in the cheap seats then:

Guzman has info on other cartel operations. In return for him giving US investigators ( not Mexican as Guzman is in US custody)
Guzman wants his non-criminal family to come into the USA for protection from revenge killing etc. of these other cartel members.
Since Mexico is a narco-state unable to protect anyone - much less high value targets like Guzman's family- it's what Guzman wants as part of his plea agreement .. this is very common in any criminal /conspiracy investigation

Really this is all there is to the to the OP.

We have no way of knowing that any or all of these 17 "family members" are indeed "non-criminals".

That trump is willing to provide asylum - and, perhaps, financial assistance - to Sinaloa Cartel family members, who may or may not be members of that cartel, yet is refusing to do so for other groups (Afghan translators, Haitian refugees, everyone else seeking asylum), makes no sense whatsoever.

Btw, why are you okay with taxpayers' supporting these 17 "family members"? Are you also okay with taxpayers' financially supporting other asylum seekers? If not, what makes Sinaloa Cartel "family members" deserving of taxpayers' footing their bills?

 

[CANON]

No because these are not they are not refuges with asylum claims. These are non-criminal Guzman family members.
One more time for those in the cheap seats then:

Guzman has info on other cartel operations. In return for him giving US investigators ( not Mexican as Guzman is in US custody)
Guzman wants his non-criminal family to come into the USA for protection from revenge killing etc. of these other cartel members.

Since Mexico is a narco-state unable to protect anyone - much less high value targets like Guzman's family- it's what Guzman wants as part of his plea agreement .. this is very common in any criminal /conspiracy investigation

Really this is all there is to the to the OP.

Imagine trying to explain that to an Afghanistan translator that assisted the US while their family is being put on a plane.

 

[anatta]

We have no way of knowing that any or all of these 17 "family members" are indeed "non-criminals".

The OP states it as such

That trump is willing to provide asylum - and, perhaps, financial assistance - to Sinaloa Cartel family members, who may or may not be members of that cartel, yet is refusing to do so for other groups (Afghan translators, Haitian refugees, everyone else seeking asylum), makes no sense whatsoever.

the Guzman family members are not allowed in under migrant asylum claims that flooded the border under Biden
The DoJ or whatever US criminal enforcement agency is making a quid pro quo only to these family members because it gets Guzman to give up his info on "other cartels"

Btw, why are you okay with taxpayers' supporting these 17 "family members"?

They might be in protective custody, they may not. Considering Biden let in about 7 million migrants- many unable to support themselves-
no im not concerned in the least. Again this a a common tactic when a high value criminal (Guzman) is willing to trade his info on a criminal organization in return for protecting his family -which Mexico is incapable of doing

 

[anatta]

Imagine trying to explain that to an Afghanistan translator that assisted the US while their family is being put on a plane.

Apple and Oranges. But if you want to go there the chaotic "withdrawal" (rout) was Biden's decision not to take over security at
Karzai International after being offered such by the Taliban

 

[Pyrite]

The OP state it as such

the Guzman family members are not allowed in under migrant asylum claims that flooded the border under Biden
The DoJ or whatever US criminal enforcement agency is making a quid pro quo only to these family members because it gets Guzman to give up his info on "other cartels"

They might be in protective custody, they may not. Considering Biden let in about 7 million migrants- many unable to support themselves- no im not concerned in the least. Again this a a common tactic whn a high value criminal (Guzman) is willing to trade his info on a criminal organization in return for protecting his family -which Mexico is incapable of doing

No, it doesn't state that. All we have is the statement that there are no outstanding warrants. That sure as hell doesn't mean all of the 17 "family members" of the sinister Sinaloa Cartel that is currently waging war on the US and on Americans are not criminals.

HOW are these people going to support themselves in this country?

If you can't answer that, aren't you admitting taxpayers will pay for their upkeep? Or are you acknowledging that perhaps more US outlets for distribution of the cartel's drug business will be opened?

 

[Ethel2]

There is no cogent argument for allowing these people into our country. Talk about an open border….

 

[coyote505]

Well, they would have the money to buy themselves one of those flashy Gold Immigration Cards that Trump will hand out to anyone for a few million dollars

I wouldn’t be surprised if this is true - our POTUS is very transactional.

We are also buddies with Syria now too apparently .

"transactional" --- Diplomatese for "Amoral"

 

[Pyrite]

There is no cogent argument for allowing these people into our country. Talk about an open border….

Or if we're going to provide asylum for family members of the drug-dealing Sinaloa Cartel, why on earth aren't we doing the same thing for other asylum seekers?

Why are Afghans who helped us being deported?

 

[Michael Cole]

Looks like El Chapo's brother is gonna cop a plea, roll, and his family is protected, also expected to roll.

I have no issue with the operation, except for the secrecy. We need to work with other countries, and now that everyone is here, a public announcement is due.

 

[anatta]

No, it doesn't state that. All we have is the statement that there are no outstanding warrants. That sure as hell doesn't mean all of the 17 "family members" of the sinister Sinaloa Cartel that is currently waging war on the US and on Americans are not criminals.

OP language is a presumption of innocence
"none of the family members were being pursued by Mexican authorities"

HOW are these people going to support themselves in this country?

it's not a requirement . but we dont have any info on this either way

If you can't answer that, aren't you admitting taxpayers will pay for their upkeep? Or are you acknowledging that perhaps more US outlets for distribution of the cartel's drug business will be opened?

pure fantasy

 

[GOP Hippo]

Obviously Guzmán Lopez is going to sing like a canary.
If he didn't cut a deal to get his family out they would be hanging from overpasses.

 

[Metric Mouse]

And just like that, people say that every immigrant is a criminal, and people who are related to criminals shouldn't be allowed in the country.

Crazy.

 

[Pyrite]

OP language is a presumption of innocence
"none of the family members were being pursued by Mexican authorities"

it's not a requirement . but we dont have any info on this either way

pure fantasy

I've already said the Mexican authorities say there are no warrants. I have, however, pointed out that that in itself doesn't mean there is no criminality attached to any of the 17 "family members" of the very sinister, very dangerous, very violent Sinaloa Cartel.

What you aren't addressing is this:

How are these people going to be financially supported in this country?

Taxpayers?

Traditional Sinaloa Cartel drug deals?