C.J.
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Gandhi>Bush said:I'm talking about being more effective with your handgun rather than using a assault rifle to frag the dogs.
I know it wasn't you, it was swampkritter, but I was just going with the argument.
Gandhi>Bush said:Depends on the calibur of bullet.
Personally, I think any gun that get through a police officers vest should be expensive and a lengthy process of attaining... with like tracking bugs in the gun and your name engraved in the bullets...
Gandhi>Bush said:You don't see the difference between a... let's say Desert Eagle, and a... .22?
Proper placement can meand death even in the case of a .22, but a Desert Eagle could probably tear limbs off. There is a remarkable difference.
Gandhi>Bush said:But if the objective can be met with a guarantee of not killing someone, isn't that more favorable?
C.T. said:I don't believe I mentioned anything concerning saved lives, it's impossible to count bodies if they aren't there to count. If you are asking about defensive gun uses (DGU's), you may want to review studies on the issues. I don't accept NRA sources any more than I accept VPC data, and I don't visit Republican sites.
Tell you what though, how about I use a Democrat source to show GGU's?
"Guns and Crime: Handgun Victimization, Firearm Self-Defense, and Firearm Theft"; the study was done by the U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Justice Programs, Bureau of Justice Statistics durring the Clinton administration. Surely you are familiar with Philip J. Cook and Jens Ludwig?
It showed approximately 108,000 DGU's per year, and this number was using data only from those who originally reported it.
http://www.ncjrs.org/txtfiles/165476.txt
Now you can go look at the justifiable homicides by both the police and civilians at the Bureau of Justice Statistics.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/d_justifyreason.htm as well as the charts link at the bottom of the page or at http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/justifyage.gif
You seem to be either relating DGU's to a body count, and not acknowledging the fact that many/most times the presence, not the actual killing of someone is an important factor in stopping a violent crime, possibly a murder.
Arch Enemy said:You really need a gun with 30 bullets?
How many dogs are you talking about here.. I'd imagine, that dogs attack one infront of the other (faster ones) so wouldn't, logically, 1 bullet take out at least two dogs?
Gandhi>Bush said:Such as killing wandering animals...
Gandhi>Bush said:Why would you kill them?
BB guns work. Airsoft guns work. Paintball those rabid little bastards so the others know what's coming.
Why do you have to use your assualt rifle to take them down?
Gandhi>Bush said:I'm talking about being more effective with your handgun rather than using a assault rifle to frag the dogs.
I know it wasn't you, it was swampkritter, but I was just going with the argument.
Gandhi>Bush said:Such as killing wandering animals...
Gandhi>Bush said:Do you always shoot at dogs when your animals are in the way?
Then why not an airfoil shot? Why the need for heavy ammunition?swampkritter said:If a dog or other animal is attacking your livestock, you sometimes must take the shot even though there is a chance of accidentally hitting your livestock. Sometimes you must take the shot in order to attempt to save the life of the animal being attacked. This doesn't happen often, but it has happened.
There are no stats on how many crimes were averted by a gun owner simply brandishing a gun. It happened to me once and I didn't even have a gun but was reaching into my car for nunchucks and one of two said "he's getting a gun" and they split. To bad, I've always wanted to see what chucks could do to a deserving head. My four children with me at the time thought that was way cool.IndependentTexan said:show me where in the U.S. there are more saved lives with guns than deaths by accidental, and intended gun killings....i bet you won't find it...and no NRA and republican sites dont count
I had a DGU and didn"t report it.C.J. said:I AM INCREDIBLY SORRY. I MEANT TO HIT THE QUOTE BUTTON I HIT THE EDIT BUTTON. MANY APOLOGIES.
JUST READ THE QUOTE THAT'S WHAT C.J. SAID.
SO SORRY!
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-- Gandhi>Bush
sebastiansdreams said:Then why not an airfoil shot? Why the need for heavy ammunition?
If people with carry concealed permits were on those planes much discussion on this site would not be.
Besides, what does it all matter. A trained law abiding screened person (me) will only use a gun (any type I feel like) properly.
Wow, you totally caught me. Absolutely was thinking air soft and that came right out. And the real irony is that I just finished the new one like two days ago. But hey, if it's in Splinter Cell it's gotta exist right? I mean they wouldn't make that stuff up would they? :blowup:Gandhi>Bush said:Airfoil... someone's been playing too much splinter cell.
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