"assault weapon" vs Semi auto rifles [W:598]

[TurtleDude]

Could those of you who want to ban "assault weapons" but claim you don't want to ban other firearms (yet) tell us exactly what makes the so called "assault weapon" styled rifle more dangerous and more criminally desireable than other center fire magazine fed semi auto rifles

for those who aren't up on this topic, the democrat bills define assault weapons as semi auto magazine fed firearms with one or two (depending on the bills) features that make the gun look more military* such as adjustable stocks, pistol grips, barrels with flash hiders and bayonet lugs. Under the Clinton ban makers merely removed some of those features and the guns were legal to be sold. The minute the ban was over-for example-i replaced the fixed stocks with adjustable ones which allowed my then young son to be able to shoot the rifle-same with my 5-4 wife vs me at just under 6-2.

Now for those of you who support banning the AR-15 or similar assault weapons-tell us why those features justify the ban. Now if you support banning all semi auto rifles-you can say that too











*due to the large amount of military subcontractors of M4 rifles, many parts are available to AR 15 makers much cheaper than say available or similar rifles (like the Ruger Mini 14 or the AR 180 last made by Springfield Armory) so many AR 15 makers use surplus M16/M4 stocks, barrels (complete with bayonet lugs) grips, etc

 

[beerftw]

Re: "assault weapon" vs Semi auto rifles

Could those of you who want to ban "assault weapons" but claim you don't want to ban other firearms (yet) tell us exactly what makes the so called "assault weapon" styled rifle more dangerous and more criminally desireable than other center fire magazine fed semi auto rifles

for those who aren't up on this topic, the democrat bills define assault weapons as semi auto magazine fed firearms with one or two (depending on the bills) features that make the gun look more military* such as adjustable stocks, pistol grips, barrels with flash hiders and bayonet lugs. Under the Clinton ban makers merely removed some of those features and the guns were legal to be sold. The minute the ban was over-for example-i replaced the fixed stocks with adjustable ones which allowed my then young son to be able to shoot the rifle-same with my 5-4 wife vs me at just under 6-2.

Now for those of you who support banning the AR-15 or similar assault weapons-tell us why those features justify the ban. Now if you support banning all semi auto rifles-you can say that too











*due to the large amount of military subcontractors of M4 rifles, many parts are available to AR 15 makers much cheaper than say available or similar rifles (like the Ruger Mini 14 or the AR 180 last made by Springfield Armory) so many AR 15 makers use surplus M16/M4 stocks, barrels (complete with bayonet lugs) grips, etc

Semi auto means weapons of war, weapons of war is scary therefore ban all semi autos, the librul media told me to say that while also saying no one is trying to take away your guns.

 

[ecofarm]

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Semi auto means weapons of war, weapons of war is scary therefore ban all semi autos, the librul media told me to say that while also saying no one is trying to take away your guns.

Semi auto means 21st century. Banning semi auto is banning modern guns. It would mean going back to ancient ways and customs.

 

[Celebrity]

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Would you rather liberals say "we don't want to take away your guns" and enact commonsense gun control, or would you rather fascists say "we didn't want to take away your guns, but we had no choice?"

Being sticklers is not helping the situation. We're going to move forward, like it or not. You have an opportunity to be a part of that progress.

 

[TurtleDude]

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Semi auto means 21st century. Banning semi auto is banning modern guns. It would mean going back to ancient ways and customs.

semi autos were emerging about the same time as someone shouted "REMEMBER THE MAINE" and by the early 1980s dominated civilian sales for rifles, pistols and shotguns

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: "assault weapon" vs Semi auto rifles

Would you rather liberals say "we don't want to take away your guns" and enact commonsense gun control, or would you rather fascists say "we didn't want to take away your guns, but we had no choice?"

Being sticklers is not helping the situation. We're going to move forward, like it or not. You have an opportunity to be a part of that progress.

in your mind progress is disarming people and stripping them of freedom? Did you think Pol Pot was "progress"

 

[ecofarm]

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semi autos were emerging about the same time as someone shouted "REMEMBER THE MAINE" and by the early 1980s dominated civilian sales for rifles, pistols and shotguns

It's ironic that some progressives are reactionary on guns. In their thinking and in their vision of lever actions and wheel guns returning as the norm.

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: "assault weapon" vs Semi auto rifles

It's ironic that some progressives are reactionary on guns. In their thinking and in their vision of lever actions and wheel guns returning as the norm.

its their desire that mother government and big brother have a monopoly on all power. They hate things that prevent government from having that monopoly and privately owned guns are the distribution of power among the public

 

[ecofarm]

Re: "assault weapon" vs Semi auto rifles

its their desire that mother government and big brother have a monopoly on all power. They hate things that prevent government from having that monopoly and privately owned guns are the distribution of power among the public

Or... average intelligence is rather dim and, like Islamophobes, people blame objects. You give even the political elite too much credit. It would be cool if, in the heights of political and philosophical society, there was a battle being waged for our freedom. But there isn't. It's just average Joes, brilliant in some small way that lifted them, blaming objects.

 

[ecofarm]

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And why do we blame objects (the Bible, the Quran, guns, books, music, video games, movies, ideologies of every sort...)? Because it's simple and easy. No need for detailed understanding of a sociological issue, stats, analysis accounting for variables, multi and inter disciplinary conclusions. Blaming an object is the easy way out. It's what the monsters and terrorists themselves do.

 

[vegas giants]

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Or... average intelligence is rather dim and, like Islamophobes, people blame objects. You give even the political elite too much credit. It would be cool if, in the heights of political and philosophical society, there was a battle being waged for our freedom. But there isn't. It's just average Joes, brilliant in some small way that lifted them, blaming objects.

Yes dangerous objects should be restricted

 

[ecofarm]

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Yes dangerous objects should be restricted

If you're gonna construct a strawman, give it a bit more pizzazz.

 

[vegas giants]

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If you're gonna construct a strawman, give it a bit more pizzazz.

No strawmen. Just the facts

 

[ecofarm]

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No strawmen. Just the facts

I heard the strawman say, "dangerous objects should be unrestricted". Anyone else? If you wanna, you can set him straight. Hit him with, "oh, you wanna give machine guns to children!" or another astonishing rebuke. We'll watch. Get 'm.

 

[vegas giants]

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I heard the strawman say, "dangerous objects should be unrestricted". Anyone else? If you wanna, you can set him straight. Hit him with, "oh, you wanna give machine guns to children!" or another astonishing rebuke. We'll watch. Get 'm.

I have no idea what this even means but yes we restrict dangerous objects. Duh

 

[ecofarm]

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I have no idea what this even means but yes we restrict dangerous objects. Duh

:thumbs:

 

[vegas giants]

Re: "assault weapon" vs Semi auto rifles

:thumbs:

Have a great night!

 

[ttwtt78640]

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Yes dangerous objects should be restricted

Yep, only government agents should have them because liberals are for personal freedom.

 

[vegas giants]

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Yep, only government agents should have them because liberals are for personal freedom.

Ok...but that's a little much for me

 

[TurtleDude]

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Yep, only government agents should have them because liberals are for personal freedom.

that's the real point-how can a government-state, local or federal-use our tax dollars to arm federal CIVILIAN employees with weapons to be used in our neighborhoods and then claim such weapons are so dangerous no honest private citizen can even own such a weapon in is own home?

if a firearm is too dangerous for me to own, its far too dangerous for a civilian cop to be carrying-ready for use-on our public streets

 

[Hawkeye10]

Re: "assault weapon" vs Semi auto rifles

Could those of you who want to ban "assault weapons" but claim you don't want to ban other firearms (yet) tell us exactly what makes the so called "assault weapon" styled rifle more dangerous and more criminally desireable than other center fire magazine fed semi auto rifles

for those who aren't up on this topic, the democrat bills define assault weapons as semi auto magazine fed firearms with one or two (depending on the bills) features that make the gun look more military* such as adjustable stocks, pistol grips, barrels with flash hiders and bayonet lugs. Under the Clinton ban makers merely removed some of those features and the guns were legal to be sold. The minute the ban was over-for example-i replaced the fixed stocks with adjustable ones which allowed my then young son to be able to shoot the rifle-same with my 5-4 wife vs me at just under 6-2.

Now for those of you who support banning the AR-15 or similar assault weapons-tell us why those features justify the ban. Now if you support banning all semi auto rifles-you can say that too











*due to the large amount of military subcontractors of M4 rifles, many parts are available to AR 15 makers much cheaper than say available or similar rifles (like the Ruger Mini 14 or the AR 180 last made by Springfield Armory) so many AR 15 makers use surplus M16/M4 stocks, barrels (complete with bayonet lugs) grips, etc

"Looks Like" is more important than is "is" for a lot of folks now.

WE USED TO BE BETTER

It depends upon what the meaning of the word 'is' is.

 

[ttwtt78640]

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that's the real point-how can a government-state, local or federal-use our tax dollars to arm federal CIVILIAN employees with weapons to be used in our neighborhoods and then claim such weapons are so dangerous no honest private citizen can even own such a weapon in is own home?

if a firearm is too dangerous for me to own, its far too dangerous for a civilian cop to be carrying-ready for use-on our public streets

It is a matter of misplaced trust. Rather than honestly assess what went wrong in Parkland, FL, the "see something, say something" became do nothing at the local LEO and school "officials" level, the blame is being shifted to the NRA, law abiding gun owners and the federal government. Not one person at the protest mentioned the numerous times that Cruz being a danger was brought to the attention of local LEOs and school "officials".

Those that say we need armed LEOs, not armed teachers, refuse to acknowledge that Scot Peterson, a "trained" and armed LEO, was paid over $500K (since 2009) to do absolutely nothing (except to call the police) to interfere with an armed moron that decided to shoot multiple students at "his" school. In other words, the SRO was more than useless he was useless and very expensive.

The school "security" at that Parkland, FL HS is exactly the same now as it was prior to the shooting save possibly for requiring see-through backpacks. Too many want to pretend that the type of gun not only made the shooting happen but become unstoppable.

 

[ttwtt78640]

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It's ironic that some progressives are reactionary on guns. In their thinking and in their vision of lever actions and wheel guns returning as the norm.

Except for government agents, of course. All "common sense" gun control seems to include that much needed exception because, obviously, only government agents need them for self defense.

 

[VanceMack]

Re: "assault weapon" vs Semi auto rifles

Would you rather liberals say "we don't want to take away your guns" and enact commonsense gun control, or would you rather fascists say "we didn't want to take away your guns, but we had no choice?"

Being sticklers is not helping the situation. We're going to move forward, like it or not. You have an opportunity to be a part of that progress.

See...its precisely because people like you say stupid **** like "we are going to enact common sense gun control" that the NRA fights so hard against you. 99.999% of the morons that advocate for 'common sense gun control' dont know the first thing about what they are advocating for, and the ones that DO actually have SOME sort of clue, advocate for the same stupid laws that have been proven to be ineffective at stopping any type of gun crimes. And when confronted with actual legislative action that WOULD target criminals and make a real difference in preventing gin violence, those some anti-gun morons run from those actions crying "but that would mean putting the actual criminals in prison and that would be RACIST!"

 

[CLAX1911]

Re: "assault weapon" vs Semi auto rifles

Would you rather liberals say "we don't want to take away your guns" and enact commonsense gun control, or would you rather fascists say "we didn't want to take away your guns, but we had no choice?"

Being sticklers is not helping the situation. We're going to move forward, like it or not. You have an opportunity to be a part of that progress.

Limiting freedoms to satiate emotional desires to do something is not progress. It is regress