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As Trump dithers over Ukraine, Russia’s military edge weakens, officials say

"we killed more people in Iraq and Afghanistan than Slobodon was trying to kill in Kosovo. They were killing Muslim Terrorists before it was cool!"

Slobodon and his ilk commited genocide and were committing ethnic cleansing when NATO got involved.

And NATO had no hand in Iraq and Afghanistan.

War =/= Genocide/Ethnic cleansing

Actually, NATO was involved in Afghanistan. And that was almost justified, as Muslim terrorists operating from there attacked a member nation (The USA)

Serbia, on the other hand, was responding to Islamic terrorists in Kosovo. And NATO took the side of the terrorists.

Smooth Move, Exlax!
 
Actually he did which is why the democrats worked to pass a republican created bill. Why do you lie so much? Are you two years old? Autopen is centuries old technology used.

They werent killing muslim terrorists, they actually created death camps over a scare about rape that really wasnt that common.

Trump contacted key republicans and told them to change their votes and they did. Thats how.

Well, when past Presidents used Autopen, we knew who was using it... With Joe Biden, we don't now who was running the country for the last few years. Jill? Hunter?

If Biden were serious about stopping immigration, he would have done what Trump did, round them up, ship them out, and not let a one of them cross the border. "Oh, Gosh, I can't do anything to fix this until Congress passes a bill I didn't bother to introduce when my party controlled congress!!!"

Come on, man. Biden's immigration policy was either gross incompetence, or outright malice to shove as many people in here hoping they'd start voting Democrat as soon as they got citizenship.

As for the War in the Balkans, there were no "good guys" there. The Serbs were bastards, the Croats were bastards, the Kosovans were bastards.
 
Actually, NATO was involved in Afghanistan. And that was almost justified, as Muslim terrorists operating from there attacked a member nation (The USA)

Serbia, on the other hand, was responding to Islamic terrorists in Kosovo. And NATO took the side of the terrorists.

Smooth Move, Exlax!
That's because Milosovic was worse.
 
If Putin invaded to save ethnic Russians, why did he send indigenous Russians first? Which Russian is more important? That reality shows how much he gives a flying F about ethnic Russians.

who is he supposed to send first? (I'm not sure what you mean by "indigenous Russians", exactly.)

You'll never know what people in the region want because there is no referendum. I reject your claim immediately because Putin is too scared of democracy to find out what self determination means, and you don't know what your 19% wants. You don't know any of that. Tell Putin to force a ceasefire so that we can put your claim to the test.

Or he can just win the war and be done with it. Oh, wait, he's doing that.

Here's the thing. Putin has the Donbas and Crimea. Zelenskyy doesn't, but he'll keep inflicting war on the rest of his people to never get them back.

NATO never started a war. There is no defense for Milo nor Putin. I'm ignoring your points because you're willing to tell any lie to support Putin.

You're ignoring my point because you won't admit the obvious. NATO isn't a 'Defensive" Alliance if it takes it upon itself to intervene in other countries' internal affairs.

It's shameless that you want to blame ethnic cleansing on Clinton. Clinton didn't make Milo do anything.

Clinton welcomes Milosevic to Dayton to end the fighting in Bosnia, only to stab him in the back on Kosovo.

NATO intervened when the scale of human rights violations were exponential, but you support it and this is exploited as an excuse to pretend that Putin is a victim.

Exponential to what? The total death toll was far less than what is currently going on in Gaza.

Quit pretending everyone else is to blame. Putin started this war he's responsible for the carnage and he refuses to stop it.

Does it really matter "who started it" at this point?

It doesn't matter how it started, it matters how it ends.

Since toppling Putin isn't going to happen (he has nukes), the world is going to have to decide what it can live with. A redrawing of the border is something everyone can live with.
 
who is he supposed to send first? (I'm not sure what you mean by "indigenous Russians", exactly.)



Or he can just win the war and be done with it. Oh, wait, he's doing that.

Here's the thing. Putin has the Donbas and Crimea. Zelenskyy doesn't, but he'll keep inflicting war on the rest of his people to never get them back.



You're ignoring my point because you won't admit the obvious. NATO isn't a 'Defensive" Alliance if it takes it upon itself to intervene in other countries' internal affairs.



Clinton welcomes Milosevic to Dayton to end the fighting in Bosnia, only to stab him in the back on Kosovo.



Exponential to what? The total death toll was far less than what is currently going on in Gaza.



Does it really matter "who started it" at this point?

It doesn't matter how it started, it matters how it ends.

Since toppling Putin isn't going to happen (he has nukes), the world is going to have to decide what it can live with. A redrawing of the border is something everyone can live with.
Realistically, the existence of a Ukrainian state is a threat to world peace, so the conflict will only truly end once Ukraine has been rightfully conquered by Russia.
 
We aren't talking about Bosnia, we are talking about Kosovo.

WHich we conceded was rightfully part of Serbia.

As for Bosnia, Clinton invited Milosevic to Dayton and treated him like an honored guest to sign the Dayton Accords.
Bosnia is rightful Serbian land
 
Realistically, the existence of a Ukrainian state is a threat to world peace, so the conflict will only truly end once Ukraine has been rightfully conquered by Russia.

Ukraine is one of the UN legacy countries.

Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic (1945–1991). Ukraine 1991–present.
 
Realistically, the existence of a Ukrainian state is a threat to world peace, so the conflict will only truly end once Ukraine has been rightfully conquered by Russia.
The survival and existence of Russia is a threat to world peace.

They've got to go.
 
Well, when past Presidents used Autopen, we knew who was using it... With Joe Biden, we don't now who was running the country for the last few years. Jill? Hunter?

If Biden were serious about stopping immigration, he would have done what Trump did, round them up, ship them out, and not let a one of them cross the border. "Oh, Gosh, I can't do anything to fix this until Congress passes a bill I didn't bother to introduce when my party controlled congress!!!"

Come on, man. Biden's immigration policy was either gross incompetence, or outright malice to shove as many people in here hoping they'd start voting Democrat as soon as they got citizenship.

As for the War in the Balkans, there were no "good guys" there. The Serbs were bastards, the Croats were bastards, the Kosovans were bastards.
You have no evidence it was anyone other than joe. You have no evidence for your claims come on man your own damn self. Biden respected congress’s role in determining citizenship. You support a king and you support the torment of people merely committing a misdemeanor and you dont care about jailing people for merely waving a flag. If you respond to this with the usual defensive shit we’re done. I dont have time for such childish shit.

You need to stop telling lies but i know you wont so we’re about done forever.
 
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Its actually been studied and illegal immigrants did nothing to change the outcomes of any election ever. The only thing it did was give maybe 3 seats to california and 1 to one or two other states.. This can easily be solved by changing what counts for apportionment of seats in congress.
 
Actually, NATO was involved in Afghanistan. And that was almost justified, as Muslim terrorists operating from there attacked a member nation (The USA)

Serbia, on the other hand, was responding to Islamic terrorists in Kosovo. And NATO took the side of the terrorists.

Smooth Move, Exlax!

NATO member nations were involved with Afghanistan combat.

NATO was involved with training.

"NATO launched the Resolute Support Mission (RSM) to train, advise and assist Afghan security forces and institutions to fight terrorism and secure their country. "

And NATO was responding to prior genocide and ongoing ethnic cleansing in and around Kosovo.
 
Bosnia is rightful Serbian land
"Rightful" is historically relative. After Europeans arrived, my home state was Spanish, then French, then Mexican, then an independent Republic that joined the Confederacy and returned to the USA.

Do I get to pick which one I like best? Good, I pick France! I demand that I be returned to my rightful place as a French citizen!
 
Realistically, the existence of a Ukrainian state is a threat to world peace, so the conflict will only truly end once Ukraine has been rightfully conquered by Russia.

Wackosaurus Rex on the loose!

That post is nuts. It's stupefying that someone thinks Ukraine would invade any country to start a war.

Putin is the threat and any country that could voluntarily apply for NATO membership has wanted protection from Putin.

I have a great idea, Putin could reinstitute the Warsaw Pact. /S

What country would want to be in an alliance with Putin except orban and Belarus?
 
"Rightful" is historically relative. After Europeans arrived, my home state was Spanish, then French, then Mexican, then an independent Republic that joined the Confederacy and returned to the USA.

Do I get to pick which one I like best? Good, I pick France! I demand that I be returned to my rightful place as a French citizen!
The word of God decides what is rightful and God is a Serb. Serbian nationalists are therefore the ones who can talk to God. Serbian nationalists claim that Bosnia is rightful Serbian land and this means God deems Bosnia is rightful Serbian land.
 
The word of God decides what is rightful and God is a Serb. Serbian nationalists are therefore the ones who can talk to God. Serbian nationalists claim that Bosnia is rightful Serbian land and this means God deems Bosnia is rightful Serbian land.
Now I understand what you're saying. I find it interesting to meet people who are part of that.
 
Realistically, the existence of a Ukrainian Russian state is a threat to world peace, so the conflict will only truly end once Ukraine Russia has been rightfully conquered by Russia.
Fixed that for you
 
Ukraine is one of the UN legacy countries.

Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic (1945–1991). Ukraine 1991–present.

Yes, FDR let Ukraine and Belarus have their own votes in the UN because the British Empire was allowed to have multiple votes with its dominions.

Stalin wanted all 16 Republics of the USSR to have UN votes.
 
You have no evidence it was anyone other than joe. You have no evidence for your claims come on man your own damn self. Biden respected congress’s role in determining citizenship. You support a king and you support the torment of people merely committing a misdemeanor and you dont care about jailing people for merely waving a flag. If you respond to this with the usual defensive shit we’re done. I dont have time for such childish shit.

Sure I have the evidence. That first debate, where Trump walked all over Biden, who didn't even know where he was.

The issue of immigration was never "Citizenship"; it was about enforcing the laws that were already on the books. Now, I know the immigration system is broken. Mrs. B131 and I have been dealing with it for years.

But AutoPen created this problem by not enforcing the laws that were on the books, letting everyone in on the flimsiest excuses, (Sorry, the Asylum Laws were never meant to cover "My country is dirt poor") And as I keep pointing out (and none of you ever want to address) is that the biggest groups that shifted to Orange Hitler in the last election were 1) Hispanics, 2) Asians, and 3) People making less than $50,000, because they were the ones who were most impacted by thousands of unwanted guests showing up in their communities.

The Democrats handed Trump the immigration issue on a silver platter, and he feasted on it.

If you want to wave a foreign flag, you should go back to that country.


You need to stop telling lies but i know you wont so we’re about done forever.

The truth hurts. You guys still haven't taken account for how badly you screwed up hiding a senile old man in the White House until you couldn't anymore. Then fobbing off the DEI hire that no one wanted as a candidate.

Heck, I would almost say the Democrats WANTED to lose in 2024. It's like they took a dive.

Its actually been studied and illegal immigrants did nothing to change the outcomes of any election ever. The only thing it did was give maybe 3 seats to california and 1 to one or two other states.. This can easily be solved by changing what counts for apportionment of seats in congress.

We can go back to 3/5th of a White person. Oh, wait, that was a bad look.

How do we know if Illegal immigration is shifting the numbers or not, when the Census isn't allowed to ask questions about immigration status? I mean, we know through estimates that 16% of the population right now is foreign born, if you include legal immigrants, illegal immigrants, and naturalized citizens. I can't see how that doesn't affect apportionment.

NATO member nations were involved with Afghanistan combat.

NATO was involved with training.

"NATO launched the Resolute Support Mission (RSM) to train, advise and assist Afghan security forces and institutions to fight terrorism and secure their country. "

You just repeated what I said.

And NATO was responding to prior genocide and ongoing ethnic cleansing in and around Kosovo.

Why was that NATO's business.

NATO is a defensive alliance, and the only reason why they intervened was that they didn't want the Muslim refugees of the Balkans showing up in their countries.
 
who is he supposed to send first? (I'm not sure what you mean by "indigenous Russians", exactly.)



Or he can just win the war and be done with it. Oh, wait, he's doing that.

Here's the thing. Putin has the Donbas and Crimea. Zelenskyy doesn't, but he'll keep inflicting war on the rest of his people to never get them back.



You're ignoring my point because you won't admit the obvious. NATO isn't a 'Defensive" Alliance if it takes it upon itself to intervene in other countries' internal affairs.



Clinton welcomes Milosevic to Dayton to end the fighting in Bosnia, only to stab him in the back on Kosovo.



Exponential to what? The total death toll was far less than what is currently going on in Gaza.



Does it really matter "who started it" at this point?

It doesn't matter how it started, it matters how it ends.

Since toppling Putin isn't going to happen (he has nukes), the world is going to have to decide what it can live with. A redrawing of the border is something everyone can live with.


You want to post about something you don't understand.

Obscuring the perpetrator makes it so easy lie about the victim.

Putin is the aggressor who started the war and Ukraine is not. The world needs to clearly know who Putin is and the danger he presents.

Lying about starting the war is a lie about who is the victim. Lying about who started the war continues appeasement for a war criminal.

Your attempt is disingenuous. You want to resort to a proPutin history, until we want to ask who started the war.

It's a delusional claim to think that Russia would be threatened by NATO. When Putin is planning future invasions and escapades, then he should consider NATO. If his goals are peaceful and humanitarian, NATO is nothing to him.

Ceasefire
Referendum
Then we'll know. As it is, don't fall for Putin's lies.
 
Rather than the U.S. leadership he promised, Trump has mused that he might just walk away and leave the negotiations to the Europeans — perhaps even the new pope — to sort out
It is in their backyard. Should the EU not amount to something?
...Whether Putin genuinely believes he has “all the cards,” as Trump has put it, or is simply waiting for the West to grow tired of the seemingly unending conflict, dwindling stockpiles of Soviet-era equipment will make Russia increasingly dependent on new systems produced from scratch. That, a number of Western officials and experts said, makes it the right time to impose new sanctions and to continue to supply new weaponry to Ukraine."

Link

Will Trump come to the uncomfortable realization that supporting Ukraine more is tge quickest way to bring an end to the war?
Have to give the Ukrainians credit. They are stirring the kettle inside Russia's border in a way that could soon pressure Putin or whoever may overthrow him to direct peace talks.
 
NATO is a defensive alliance, and the only reason why they intervened was that they didn't want the Muslim refugees of the Balkans showing up in their countries.

You've said here that human rights, ethnic cleansing and genocide are to be used as excuses for giving Putin a blank check to commit whatever war crime he likes. What happened 25 years ago doesn't justify invading Ukraine or any other country. Serbia is small and Russia is big. NATO is not going to start a war, and it's delusional to think so.
 
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You want to post about something you don't understand.

No, I just wanted to see what you were blurting about, and yes, the poor minorities of Russia are the first ones thrown into the line.

Just like the poor minorities are the first ones who get it in our military system.


Obscuring the perpetrator makes it so easy lie about the victim.

Putin is the aggressor who started the war and Ukraine is not. The world needs to clearly know who Putin is and the danger he presents.

No, both sides are responsible for this war.. The problem is, you want to only start counting history at 2022, and not go back to 2014 when the Native Ukrainians screwed the Russian minority.

Lying about starting the war is a lie about who is the victim. Lying about who started the war continues appeasement for a war criminal.

Your attempt is disingenuous. You want to resort to a proPutin history, until we want to ask who started the war.

I don't give a flying (word I can't use here) about who "Started" it.

My only questions are :

Is there any realistic scenario where Zelenskyy can restore the 2014 borders? (No)
Is it in America's interest to prolong a war that Ukraine can't win? (No)


Ceasefire
Referendum
Then we'll know. As it is, don't fall for Putin's lies.

Or.

Defeat for Ukraine.
Peace treaty with sensible borders.
We start learning to mind our own business.
 
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