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As Transformative (maybe) As FDR

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Musk & Ramawhatsis laid out their DOGE agenda in the Wall Street Journal today. I'd prefer to link to their WSJ essay, but it's behind a paywall. I heard it read in its entirety on a podcast this morning. The most breathtaking feature (for me) is their intent to nuke any/all administrative/bureaucratic regulations not imposed legislatively by Congress.

If Trump can pull that off, along with taking a chainsaw to various agencies, he has an opportunity to become the most transformational POTUS since FDR, and in the opposite direction.

Needless to say, I'm cheering him on every step of the way.
 
Yes. Unfortunately, the bureaucracy has been growing so much that those in high places believe that is the only thing that matters.
 
Musk & Ramawhatsis laid out their DOGE agenda in the Wall Street Journal today. I'd prefer to link to their WSJ essay, but it's behind a paywall. I heard it read in its entirety on a podcast this morning. The most breathtaking feature (for me) is their intent to nuke any/all administrative/bureaucratic regulations not imposed legislatively by Congress.

If Trump can pull that off, along with taking a chainsaw to various agencies, he has an opportunity to become the most transformational POTUS since FDR, and in the opposite direction.

Needless to say, I'm cheering him on every step of the way.
FDR was needed in a very bad time in history. Trump's changes are not.
 
Musk & Ramawhatsis laid out their DOGE agenda in the Wall Street Journal today. I'd prefer to link to their WSJ essay, but it's behind a paywall. I heard it read in its entirety on a podcast this morning. The most breathtaking feature (for me) is their intent to nuke any/all administrative/bureaucratic regulations not imposed legislatively by Congress.

If Trump can pull that off, along with taking a chainsaw to various agencies, he has an opportunity to become the most transformational POTUS since FDR, and in the opposite direction.

Needless to say, I'm cheering him on every step of the way.
LOL! Cheering for the RWE billionaires to bend the rest of us over is as “transformative as FDR!” Arbeit macht frei.

Harris won 18 of the highest 20 states’ majorities of percentage of earned bachelor’s degrees. Trump won all of the bottom ten.
 
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I agree that under Trump the US is likely to transform into something utterly unrecognizable to anything it has ever been in its proud and impressive history.
 
Musk & Ramawhatsis laid out their DOGE agenda in the Wall Street Journal today. I'd prefer to link to their WSJ essay, but it's behind a paywall. I heard it read in its entirety on a podcast this morning. The most breathtaking feature (for me) is their intent to nuke any/all administrative/bureaucratic regulations not imposed legislatively by Congress.

If Trump can pull that off, along with taking a chainsaw to various agencies, he has an opportunity to become the most transformational POTUS since FDR, and in the opposite direction.

Needless to say, I'm cheering him on every step of the way.

Devil is in the details. "Slash Spending" makes a great bumper sticker, but it's harder to do in practice.

Also, every dollar the Federal Government spends is authorized and appropriated by Congress for a specific function. That money gets sent to the Executive branch in order to fulfill those functions. Wouldn't you agree that there's a practical limit to how detailed Congress can or even should get as to how that money is spent without stepping on the toes of the Executive branch?
 
I could see them achieving destruction in a similar way that the New Deal achieved construction. The relevant question is which branch of government would be willing to stop them?
 

  • DOGE will rely on executive orders and court rulings, instead of Congress, they said. Eliminate checks and balances and the will of the people -- CHECK.
  • They said they'd be "taking aim at" funding for public media and Planned Parenthood. PBS and unbiased media. Bye.
It certainly will be moving in opposite direction from FDR -- and not in a good way.
 
he has an opportunity to become the most transformational POTUS since FDR, and in the opposite direction.
Agreed. So after FDR, the largest middle class in American history was created, and the US economy exploded for about 3 decades (until the Reagan era).

So what do you think is going to happen with this transformation in the opposite direction now?
 
Looks like the USA is trying to become the world's first 4th world country
 
Musk & Ramawhatsis
You're cheering him on, but you can't show him enough respect to learn his name? 🤨

I guess I can't complain too much, because I'm about to call both of them blithering idiots who don't have even the slightest idea what the f*** they're doing.

Executive agencies can't just make things up and roll them out as regulations. The laws are written by Congress with the intention of allowing agencies to fill in the details, and write extensive rules. Many of those specific rules are subject to years of litigation.

Once those rules are in place, the President, or the head of a non-existent government agency (that will probably just wind up being some sort of advisory committee) can't just arbitrarily roll back regulations. If it tries to make a new set of rules, that's going to invite another round of litigation.

You should also keep in mind that the Trump administration sucked ass at that process last time. They lost in court a lot, at least twice as much as other administration.

Sooner or later, Musk and Ramaswamy will figure out that no, the federal government doesn't operate like a private company. The President is not a CEO. Dear Leader will not be able to arbitrarily eliminate departments and regulations with the wave of his hand.

On a side note, Musk thinks he can slash the federal budget by what, 20%? 30%? But Dear Leader has already taken cuts to Social Security, Medicare and Defense off the table. Add in interest payments, and that's something like 60% of the budget right there. And every line item in the budget has a power legislator, governor and/or donor who demanded it. :rolleyes:

So yeah... Don't get your hopes up. And his name is "Ramaswamy," by the way.
 

  • DOGE will rely on executive orders and court rulings, instead of Congress, they said. Eliminate checks and balances and the will of the people -- CHECK.
  • They said they'd be "taking aim at" funding for public media and Planned Parenthood. PBS and unbiased media. Bye.
It certainly will be moving in opposite direction from FDR -- and not in a good way.
Did I mention that they're total idiots?

Congress holds the purse strings. And they're going to save $2 trillion without Congress?

Do they not understand that they can't cut funding for programs, or entities like public media, without Congress' approval? What are they going to do, check all the sofa cushions for spare change?

These guys think they'll be "done" by 2026. I have a feeling they'll be out on their ear in 6 months.
 
Would say just the opposite of FDR.
The things he instituted actually helped everyday people.
Musk and Ramawhatsis, a the behest of Donnie, are looking to fortify the corporate oligarchy of the US.
 
Yes. Unfortunately, the bureaucracy has been growing so much that those in high places believe that is the only thing that matters.

Stupid rich-libertarian horse shit. America cannot function anything like it does without executive agencies as they are. Congress cannot possibly replicate that expertise except with an even larger sea of aides/lobbyists, which is of course what monied interests want: their lobbyists can influence congress people directly with much more easy than they can warp the regulatory apparatus to serve them (which they still manage to do).
 
Musk & Ramawhatsis laid out their DOGE agenda in the Wall Street Journal today. I'd prefer to link to their WSJ essay, but it's behind a paywall. I heard it read in its entirety on a podcast this morning. The most breathtaking feature (for me) is their intent to nuke any/all administrative/bureaucratic regulations not imposed legislatively by Congress.

If Trump can pull that off, along with taking a chainsaw to various agencies, he has an opportunity to become the most transformational POTUS since FDR, and in the opposite direction.

Needless to say, I'm cheering him on every step of the way.
Since you're all fired up for the future, perhaps you can look to the past and give me one, just one, example of Congress solving a complex issue legislatively?

How's that immigration issue been working out for you?
 
Stupid rich-libertarian horse shit. America cannot function anything like it does without executive agencies as they are. Congress cannot possibly replicate that expertise except with an even larger sea of aides/lobbyists, which is of course what monied interests want: their lobbyists can influence congress people directly with much more easy than they can warp the regulatory apparatus to serve them (which they still manage to do).
I'm neither rich nor libertarian but it doesn't take a genius to see the bureaucratic state is enormous. I'm of the belief that there is much than can be streamlined or perhaps even cut out if only looked at in depth. As a federal agency is born, it only seeks to grow bigger and acquire more. I don't think anything significant will come from DOGE but I do enjoy daydreaming.
 
What’s the over/under that they are going to be bored with it in six months?
 
Hard to imagine creating a whole new level of bureaucracy making anything more efficient but I learned long ago that MAGA is not actually treating any of this seriously.
 
Hard to imagine creating a whole new level of bureaucracy making anything more efficient but I learned long ago that MAGA is not actually treating any of this seriously.

Hard to take the DOGE seriously when that's what it spells.
 
Did I mention that they're total idiots?

These guys think they'll be "done" by 2026. I have a feeling they'll be out on their ear in 6 months.
As much as I'd like to agree with that last line... all things considered I'm not expecting much at this point.
 
This is pure propaganda spewed by people who have no idea what his idiotic "new deal" actually did.
It created the largest middle-class in American history, for several decades up until the Reagan era. It has since become a gradual return back to the Gilded Age.

Unregulated free capitalism is like a game of Monopoly: eventually, all the money ends up in a few hands and everyone else loses. I’m not sure how many more times this experiment has to be repeated for the lesson to be learned.
 
It created the largest middle-class in American history

America got rich because of capitalism and largely free markets. If your ideology did what you are claiming it does, then North Korea and Cuba would be the richest countries on the planet.

Unregulated free capitalism is like a game of Monopoly:

Fixed-pie fallacy, as usual. The amount of wealth in a game of monopoly is fixed. The number of properties is fixed, and the number of hotels is fixed to 12 by the rules of the game.


 
It's difficult to take seriously the goals of a government efficiency program run by self-serving political operatives.

It's a failure of MSM to point this out.
 
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