As I have said for many a times, this is a genocide and a CRIME (1 Viewer)

[Opossum]

Just shut up with the Israel-propaganda lies, including their propaganda aimed at US liberals to try to pinkwash their genocide. One of the fanatical right-wing parties governing Israel-wth reportedly won't even allow women to run for office, and bigotry against gay people is not justification for genocide. You are a genocide defender. You don't deserve to be read further.

You didn't answer the question. I have another one for you, why do you hate MAGA Americans more than people who would kill you and then use your corpse for propaganda?

 

[Infinite Chaos]

Have you even watched the bombs? They are precise, often demonstrated by multiple bombs hitting the same target.

Guess you must have missed America and Biden asking Israel to be more precise and not use dumb bombs. Guess you missed that the USA is specifically only shipping precision weapons to Israel now after asking Israel not to use dumb bombs.

You'll have to ask Hamas to move where they put their tunnels, because that's where they are, and they did it on purpose. Why is Israel responsible for the actions of Gaza's government? Why are they never responsible for anything? Basically you're just saying that Israel can bomb nothing. Nothing at all.

Let me ask a simple question - do you know what a tunnel is? Do you understand the basic difference between a tunnel and a bunker?

Both can be found under buildings, but one of them goes elsewhere and is not limited to the boundaries of the building above. Guess which one can be bombed from above without going through a packed civilian building....?

This is likely you falling for propaganda. Israel is literally the ONLY group that has opened up humanitarian corridors, and Hamas is the one that has attacked them. Hamas was literally killing their own people trying to leave and closed down any efforts to flee the area.

Well..... it's only Israel that is bombing Gaza. What do you want to see? The small island nation of Vanuatu march in and open up humanitarian corridors? Several times, Israel has told people to move and several times, the places those people moved to have been bombed.

Are you immune to the news of what is being proposed in Rafah right now where 1.4 million civilians have been moved on the advice of Israel and guess where Israel now wants to send in ground troops? You also immune to the fact many other nations are saying not to?
You also seem immune to the problem of civilians being advised to move to a location which is then bombed or hit by tank fire.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

Part 2

You've really not said anything of what Israel's response should be. You've only, unreasonably, criticized everything Israel has done. You've not levied any blame on the government of Gaza, or its citizens.

Did you not ask "What would be your strategy for a response to OCT 7?"

As I have said for many a times, this is a genocide and a CRIME

Even Piers Morgan, Piers ****ing Morgan, said this is way more than enough. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Dox8nFuyGX9g&ved=2ahUKEwjvjOij0pqEAxV2gP0HHaIBD80QFnoECBAQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3q7McSGS3d3gsW_2tuApej A. Every human rights...

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So, I'll ask again (imagine you're the supreme commander of the IDF), Israel has been attacked and proportionally lose 15x the numbers of 9/11. How do you respond to remove the threat?

I answered you previously - see below
"For starters, use precision weapons as requested by the USA. Not use dumb bombs, don't aim for tunnels only where they run underneath buildings packed with civilians, don't tell Gazan civilians to use safe corridors which then get bombed by Israeli tanks and finally, don't tell everyone to go to for example Rafah and then threaten to send in ground troops.

If you want more:

• Netanyahu to stand down, pending an investigation into all the security failures that led to this current situation.
• use ordinary water rather than sea water to flood the tunnels unless you also immediately provide clean drinking water to the 2+million civilians in Gaza.
• Sack Itamar Ben-Gvir and the like when they start talking about removing Gazans so that Jews can be placed in Gaza.
• Demand utter professionalism from IDF forces - sack any soldier posting self-gratification videos of themselves breaking Geneva Conventions or posting videos to TikTok and Instagram that show the Israeli Defence Force has lost a grip on discipline.
• Immediately investigate what happened with Hind Rajab and the Red Crescent Ambulance that got torched despite their phoning and agreeing with the IDF that hey could go and rescue the civilians whose vehicle had been shot up."

We can go round the mulberry bush again if you want me to copy and paste my response again?

Civilians die in war. That's what happens. But you know where the vast majority of civilian deaths came from in Iraq and Afghanistan? From their own people through terrorism and sectarian violence.

The sound of goalposts being shifted...

 

[Opossum]

Guess you must have missed America and Biden asking Israel to be more precise and not use dumb bombs. Guess you missed that the USA is specifically only shipping precision weapons to Israel now after asking Israel not to use dumb bombs.

Like this?

https://www.cnn.com/2015/10/05/asia/afghanistan-doctors-without-borders-hospital/index.html

Biden is only even saying that because of pressure from terrorist apologists on his side of the aisle.

Let me ask a simple question - do you know what a tunnel is? Do you understand the basic difference between a tunnel and a bunker?

Both can be found under buildings, but one of them goes elsewhere and is not limited to the boundaries of the building above. Guess which one can be bombed from above without going through a packed civilian building....?

I'll make it even more simple, who ran their tunnels purposefully under civilian areas?

Well..... it's only Israel that is bombing Gaza. What do you want to see? The small island nation of Vanuatu march in and open up humanitarian corridors? Several times, Israel has told people to move and several times, the places those people moved to have been bombed.

Really? Was it Israel that had a rocket fall on a hospital where Hamas claimed it killed 300-500 people?

U.S. intel agencies believe hospital blast caused by Palestinian rocket that broke apart after engine failure, officials say

U.S. intelligence officials are less certain which Palestinian group may have fired the rocket, saying they have “low confidence” that it was launched by Palestine Islamic Jihad.

www.nbcnews.com

Are you immune to the news of what is being proposed in Rafah right now where 1.4 million civilians have been moved on the advice of Israel and guess where Israel now wants to send in ground troops? You also immune to the fact many other nations are saying not to?
You also seem immune to the problem of civilians being advised to move to a location which is then bombed or hit by tank fire.

I'm not "immune" to the facts that Hamas has to be wiped out, completely, and the governance of the region taken over. I'm not immune to the fact that Hamas was literally shutting down any corridors for people to flee, to the point of killing them. I'm not immune to the fact that Hamas has openly stated they want their civilians to die. I'm not immune to the fact that Israel was targeted by hundreds of rockets a year, after year, before OCT 7 ever happened. No other country in the entire would would've put up with that and done nothing about it until a larger more deadly terrorist attack happened. If Mexico was launching hundreds of rockets a year into the US there would be no Mexico, period. Yet Gaza was still left alone until OCT 7.

 

[Opossum]

Part 2


Did you not ask "What would be your strategy for a response to OCT 7?"

As I have said for many a times, this is a genocide and a CRIME

Even Piers Morgan, Piers ****ing Morgan, said this is way more than enough. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Dox8nFuyGX9g&ved=2ahUKEwjvjOij0pqEAxV2gP0HHaIBD80QFnoECBAQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3q7McSGS3d3gsW_2tuApej A. Every human rights...

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I answered you previously - see below
"For starters, use precision weapons as requested by the USA. Not use dumb bombs, don't aim for tunnels only where they run underneath buildings packed with civilians, don't tell Gazan civilians to use safe corridors which then get bombed by Israeli tanks and finally, don't tell everyone to go to for example Rafah and then threaten to send in ground troops.

If you want more:

• Netanyahu to stand down, pending an investigation into all the security failures that led to this current situation.
• use ordinary water rather than sea water to flood the tunnels unless you also immediately provide clean drinking water to the 2+million civilians in Gaza.
• Sack Itamar Ben-Gvir and the like when they start talking about removing Gazans so that Jews can be placed in Gaza.
• Demand utter professionalism from IDF forces - sack any soldier posting self-gratification videos of themselves breaking Geneva Conventions or posting videos to TikTok and Instagram that show the Israeli Defence Force has lost a grip on discipline.
• Immediately investigate what happened with Hind Rajab and the Red Crescent Ambulance that got torched despite their phoning and agreeing with the IDF that hey could go and rescue the civilians whose vehicle had been shot up."

We can go round the mulberry bush again if you want me to copy and paste my response again?



The sound of goalposts being shifted...

That's not a response any rational person in the entire world would do. Literally no country in the entire would would put up with that type of aggression and then give the aggressors even more ability to do more attacks and make your people less secure.

Your response is, "Lets do all the things that would kill us more."

 

[Infinite Chaos]

Like this?
https://www.cnn.com/2015/10/05/asia/afghanistan-doctors-without-borders-hospital/index.html
Biden is only even saying that because of pressure from terrorist apologists on his side of the aisle.

That's not an answer to my response. You asked a question, I responded. You threw in something completely unrelated.

I'll make it even more simple, who ran their tunnels purposefully under civilian areas?

So you don't know what the difference is between a tunnel and a bunker.

Really? Was it Israel that had a rocket fall on a hospital where Hamas claimed it killed 300-500 people?

That's not an answer to my response. You asked a question, I responded. You threw in something completely unrelated.

I'm not "immune" to the facts that Hamas has to be wiped out

Neither am I. The question is how and whether the "most moral army in the world" is truly doing what it can to minimise civilian casualties and behave professionally or not.
So far, the proof is against.

Yet Gaza was still left alone until OCT 7.

You have a poor grasp on facts. 10/7 is not and was not an isolated event but if you think it suddenly happened for no particular reason then I really would skip this discussion if I were you and stick to something you have researched and know about.

Otherwise: go read up why the IDF was so focused on the West Bank prior to this, why the huge security failure happened that has pretty much led to Netanyahu waging war on civilians at an unprecedented rate in Gaza.
Israeli govt and settlers pretty much poke the hornet's nest every so often and the inevitable reaction by Palestinians is usually met with crushing force and this time, Netanyahu is going all out because he is a politician and sees this current campaign as the only way to absolve himself of the security failure his own government is responsible for.

That's not a response any rational person in the entire world would do.

Ah, so all those nations that came up with the Geneva Conventions and similar other agreements on professional behaviour during war where just wasting their time where you are concerned.

Got it.

Your response is, "Lets do all the things that would kill us more."

No, that's your poor interpretation of basic facts and lack of understanding of recent history in the region and a wilful misreading of my posts.

 

[snakestretcher]

No it isn't. There's literally no law that makes one country responsible for how another country runs things.

Yes there is. It's called international humanitarian law, enshrined in the Geneva Conventions (which Israel is signatory to, by the way), which mandates that an occupying power has the responsibility to behave as follows:

ICRC | International Committee of the Red Cross

www.icrc.org

 

[Chagos]

Hamas is loosely concerned with the rights and lives of Gaza's citizenry. Your analogy is flawed - the allies were defending Europe from Germany and I would be hard pushed to imagine Hamas is actually focused on the lives of ordinary Gazans. The amount of money Hamas sideswipes from International Aid demonstrates that Hamas's main goal is Hamas - not the people of Gaza.

This ^^^^

For starters, use precision weapons as requested by the USA. Not use dumb bombs, don't aim for tunnels only where they run underneath buildings packed with civilians, don't tell Gazan civilians to use safe corridors which then get bombed by Israeli tanks and finally, don't tell everyone to go to for example Rafah and then threaten to send in ground troops.

Yeah, even where, 'cepting dumb bombs, I see little alternative to all of the above, it doesn't paint a good picture of Israeli actions.

If you want more:

• Netanyahu to stand down, pending an investigation into all the security failures that led to this current situation.
• use ordinary water rather than sea water to flood the tunnels unless you also immediately provide clean drinking water to the 2+million civilians in Gaza.
• Sack Itamar Ben-Gvir and the like when they start talking about removing Gazans so that Jews can be placed in Gaza.
• Demand utter professionalism from IDF forces - sack any soldier posting self-gratification videos of themselves breaking Geneva Conventions or posting videos to TikTok and Instagram that show the Israeli Defence Force has lost a grip on discipline.
• Immediately investigate what happened with Hind Rajab and the Red Crescent Ambulance that got torched despite their phoning and agreeing with the IDF that hey could go and rescue the civilians whose vehicle had been shot up.

We made similar mistakes in Iraq and Afghanistan - killing innocents and failing to be more precise in our actions and look what happened in Afghanistan and to a lesser extent Iraq and Syria where we went after ISIS.

I recall that you served in the military but am not sure if you were ever engaged in combat outside of N. Ireland.

Which, as an example, wouldn't serve to provide any useful experience that could be applied to "theatres" mentioned above (Gaza included) unless one had decided to completely flatten Bogside at the time.

Which prudently and very fortunately one did not engage upon.

But I agree totally on the political steps needed to be undertaken in Israel herself, 'cept that it won't be happening in the duration of this current war. One need to take into account general public opinion in Israel which, while being highly critical of this government, in majority supports this war.

Oct-7 achieved that and gave the whole current Knesset bunch what it needed to cling to their seats for now and maybe further, certainly as long as this war is not concluded, one way or the other.

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Nato’s bombs fall like confetti, not containing conflict but spreading it | George Monbiot

Syria, Isis, Iraq … there are no easy solutions. But killing innocent civilians in Afghanistan and elsewhere draws more people into insurgencies

www.theguardian.com

The conflict between Palestinians and Jews is not going away quickly and the next generation of terrorists is being created by every death of an innocent that gives fuel to the extremists.

Which, if those succeed Hamas in power in Gaza, will flush any solutions down the crapper just as much.

Then you are not looking, not even hard enough. It is dangerous for civilians to demonstrate against a terrorist led Government but they have happened in the past.

Palestinians vent against Hamas in rare online event

It is rare to hear criticism of Hamas in Gaza, but Palestinians have found a way to air their anger.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Chagos]

I'm not going to bother continuing to respond to your cut-up rants. ..........................~

You're learning.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

I recall that you served in the military but am not sure if you were ever engaged in combat outside of N. Ireland.

Only with my ex-wife and I lost that badly.

unless one had decided to completely flatten Bogside at the time.

Many a time, I would happily have nuked NI myself. Moreso when I was there.

But I agree totally on the political steps needed to be undertaken in Israel herself, 'cept that it won't be happening in the duration of this current war. One need to take into account general public opinion in Israel which, while being highly critical of this government, in majority supports this war.

Oct-7 achieved that and gave the whole current Knesset bunch what it needed to cling to their seats for now and maybe further, certainly as long as this war is not concluded, one way or the other.

Sadly I think Netanyahu is [protracting the war as long as possible so he can delay his day of reckoning with the enquiry into his security failures and policies that enabled 10/7 to happen.
The Gazans are paying with their lives.

 

[Opossum]

That's not an answer to my response. You asked a question, I responded. You threw in something completely unrelated.

It does answer you and it's completely related. Your statement was utterly nonsensical with "more precise" when it just doesn't always work that way and I proved it.

So you don't know what the difference is between a tunnel and a bunker.

I do, but they put those tunnels under crowded residential areas, so you're simply ignorant on the matter.

That's not an answer to my response. You asked a question, I responded. You threw in something completely unrelated.

That IS an answer. The fact is that Israel is the only entity that has opened up evacuation corridors and Hamas has attacked them. This wasn't an accident or a one-off. It is their policy to keep civilians in harms' way. It is not my fault you do not understand that.

Neither am I. The question is how and whether the "most moral army in the world" is truly doing what it can to minimise civilian casualties and behave professionally or not.
So far, the proof is against.

Talk about throwing in "something completely unrelated". Where did you pull the "most moral army i the world" nonsense out and what does that have to do with anything?

You have a poor grasp on facts. 10/7 is not and was not an isolated event but if you think it suddenly happened for no particular reason then I really would skip this discussion if I were you and stick to something you have researched and know about.

Otherwise: go read up why the IDF was so focused on the West Bank prior to this, why the huge security failure happened that has pretty much led to Netanyahu waging war on civilians at an unprecedented rate in Gaza.
Israeli govt and settlers pretty much poke the hornet's nest every so often and the inevitable reaction by Palestinians is usually met with crushing force and this time, Netanyahu is going all out because he is a politician and sees this current campaign as the only way to absolve himself of the security failure his own government is responsible for.

That's a lot of typing for not saying anything but, you're right, OCT 7 wasn't an isolated event. Israel had been targeted by hundreds of rockets, year after year, and didn't do anything about it. Their neighbors persist in terrorism.

Ah, so all those nations that came up with the Geneva Conventions and similar other agreements on professional behaviour during war where just wasting their time where you are concerned.

Got it.

No...pushing actions that would get more of your own people killed, and do jack shit to hold those who killed them accountable, isn't a legitimate response. You're not a serious person if you think what you wrote is valid.

No, that's your poor interpretation of basic facts and lack of understanding of recent history in the region and a wilful misreading of my posts.

It's not a poor interpretation, let alone an interpretation at all. Hamas has openly said they want another OCT 7, and another and another and they have 70% support from Gazans. They literally admit it.

 

[Opossum]

Yes there is. It's called international humanitarian law, enshrined in the Geneva Conventions (which Israel is signatory to, by the way), which mandates that an occupying power has the responsibility to behave as follows:

ICRC | International Committee of the Red Cross

www.icrc.org

How about you reread the statement you responded to, because you didn't do it right.

 

[multivita-man]

I mean, I get it: Might makes right. So say Israel's ultra-nationalist apologists.

That's fine. That'll probably actually work - in the short-term.

But taking the telescopic view of things, when a critical mass of the world's shithole countries decide they're done with our double standards, don't bitch about it. We poured gasoline on our own beds and lit the match, so when that time comes, it'll be time to jump into that bed.

 

[Opossum]

I mean, I get it: Might makes right. So say Israel's ultra-nationalist apologists.

That's fine. That'll probably actually work - in the short-term.

But taking the telescopic view of things, when a critical mass of the world's shithole countries decide they're done with our double standards, don't bitch about it. We poured gasoline on our own beds and lit the match, so when that time comes, it'll be time to jump into that bed.

What do you think any other nation in the world would do if they had hundreds of rockets launched into their territory every single year, and did nothing about it, and then were still subjected to an attack that was proportionally 15x bigger than 9/11? Say the OCT 7 attack didn't even happen. Let's just say the Mexican government was launching hundreds of rockets into the US. Do you think there'd still be a Mexico?

 

[Infinite Chaos]

It does answer you and it's completely related. Your statement was utterly nonsensical with "more precise" when it just doesn't always work that way and I proved it.

Ah, tunnels and bunkers was a problem for you so I guess precision bombs and dumb bombs need explaining too?

I do, but they put those tunnels under crowded residential areas, so you're simply ignorant on the matter.

As above. Tunnels can be hit from many areas, an army trying to minimise civilian casualties is not going to use bombs on a building with civilians in it just to hit one part of a tunnel.
That should be obvious but I guess this kind of thing is new to you.

That IS an answer. The fact is that Israel is the only entity that has opened up evacuation corridors and Hamas has attacked them. This wasn't an accident or a one-off. It is their policy to keep civilians in harms' way. It is not my fault you do not understand that.

Nice try but no prize. Let's gt to the bottom of this clearly then: "Israel is literally the ONLY group that has opened up humanitarian corridors" was your claim.
Tell me who else would be able to open up humanitarian corridors and we can move from there. Don't even mention Hamas doing it as that won't get the IDF not to target that corridor as it would be even more likely to have terrorists hidden there (even though it seems Hamas are using tunnels more than open roads) and those Humanitarian corridors and spaces have been hit just as hard as the tunnels - even when IDF has bombed civilian buildings above some tunnels.

Talk about throwing in "something completely unrelated". Where did you pull the "most moral army i the world" nonsense out and what does that have to do with anything?

Good god, you really are a newbie to this subject aren't you? I'm going to bet you didn't know Netanyahu has done everything he can over the last 30 years to prevent a 2 state solution ever being a reality anyhow - the "most moral army" is from videos like this



The relevance you ask? Go right back to my very first response - about what Israel should do differently. That "moral army" claim has been bandied about for years on this forum but the reality is very tarnished and recent events with appalling videos posted on TikTok demonstrate a serious lack of professionalism in some quarters and that will be a reflection on other elements of training and combat operations.
I have made the mistake of assuming you actually have some background reading or understanding of what has been happening and why.

That's a lot of typing for not saying anything but, you're right, OCT 7 wasn't an isolated event. Israel had been targeted by hundreds of rockets, year after year, and didn't do anything about it. Their neighbors persist in terrorism.

I'm going to put money on it you don't know anything about why the Gazans might be pissed off about the West Bank or Gaza. Terrorist attacks are not the way to resolve the problems in the ME but your comment about not understanding the "moral army" shows that you really don't know that having an obstructionist leader like Netanyahu leaves Palestinians very little options to protest.

No...pushing actions that would get more of your own people killed, and do jack shit to hold those who killed them accountable, isn't a legitimate response. You're not a serious person if you think what you wrote is valid.

Tell me what a "serious person" would advocate then for Palestinians in the West bank and Gaza when they are faced with a Israeli Govt that ever since the Oslo accords does what it can not to allow for a Palestinian state to be established.
Have you even seen what the areas that the Palestinians in the West Bank are allowed to call their "areas" and whether that could ever become some form of unitary land mass that you could call a country?

Go on. I'm all ears.

It's not a poor interpretation, let alone an interpretation at all. Hamas has openly said they want another OCT 7, and another and another and they have 70% support from Gazans. They literally admit it.

We've covered this already and you failed I'm afraid.

 

[VanceMack]

1-Of COURSE you care so very much....for the Palestinians.
2-You NEVER say ****-all when Hamas and other Palestinian terror groups are attacking Israel...its only when Israel responds that you shit yourself and screech about human rights.
3-You dont give a SHIT about the people being killed in other parts of the middle east....dont say the first ****ing word. Just Palestinians.

Because you hate Jews.

 

[Individual]

We find there's truth in the saying: you've made your bed. Lie in it.

Or something like "the chickens coming home to roost"?

 

[Individual]

Don't forget about the hostages being held by Hamas.

 

[snakestretcher]

How about you reread the statement you responded to, because you didn't do it right.

What you really mean is you got a response you didn't like. Not my problem.

 

[Opossum]

1-Of COURSE you care so very much....for the Palestinians.
2-You NEVER say ****-all when Hamas and other Palestinian terror groups are attacking Israel...its only when Israel responds that you shit yourself and screech about human rights.
3-You dont give a SHIT about the people being killed in other parts of the middle east....dont say the first ****ing word. Just Palestinians.

Because you hate Jews.

It's estimated that 150K have died from the Saudi-Yemen war and 230K have starved to death because of the famine caused by the war. That's 380,000 dead but no street marches, not boycotts, not media campaign, no nothing.

 

[VanceMack]

It's estimated that 150K have died from the Saudi-Yemen war and 230K have starved to death because of the famine caused by the war. That's 380,000 dead but no street marches, not boycotts, not media campaign, no nothing.

Because the rebels without a cause (or clue) havent been told to be poutraged about that....

wonder why.

Same phenomenon occurs in the US. 10,000 black people die every year from gun violence...nary a ****ing peep. 1 black scumbag drug addict dies resisting arrest every 3 or 4 YEARS and the whole nation burns. 1 child dies by accidental discharge...they push for bans on ARs. 100s of children die in majority minority communities by gunfire every year...and they cant find their vocal chords.

Its almost like there are Marxist ****s peddling this shit to a collective of mindless twats looking to run to the streets to fight for their new 'cause'.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

no street marches

False.

not boycotts

False.

not media campaign

False.

Oh dear. 3 strikes and out.

 

[Apocalypse]

False.



False.



False.

Oh dear. 3 strikes and out.

Hundreds of people marching in Dublin is the same as millions all around Europe calling for a ceasefire to allow the rapists and murderers of Hamas to continue to exist while keeping over a hundred people hostage?

It is very strange to attempt to claim that Israel is not judged by unique standards or that any other nation that is involved in conflicts receives the same kind of attention.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

Hundreds of people marching in Dublin

I simply took the first link from a quick Google search and if you recall - the poster claimed nothing was happening. I also posted separately a BBC article about Gazans protesting about Hamas and the risks they took protesting while under the gunsights of Hamas.
To me, the people protesting against their terrorist leaders and their policies against Israel get the least attention from you or 99% of the posters on the forum. All Gazans are apparently terrorists and want Israel gone.

millions all around Europe calling for a ceasefire to allow the rapists and murderers of Hamas to continue to exist while keeping over a hundred people hostage?

Are you claiming these people are calling for a ceasefire simply to allow Hamas to keep hold of hostages? That's very desperate of you.

It is very strange to attempt to claim that Israel is not judged by unique standards or that any other nation that is involved in conflicts receives the same kind of attention.

This old chestnut. On this forum, anyone who criticises Israeli Govt policies runs the risk of being labelled "anti-Israel" or "anti-Semite."

That's the worst kind of double standard when I can happily criticise Trump or Boris Johnson or Vladimir Putin without being labelled some form of racist against their country.

 

[bomberfox]

You didn't answer the question. I have another one for you, why do you hate MAGA Americans more than people who would kill you and then use your corpse for propaganda?

Im not convinced maga Americans dont want us dead. They just cant get away with it.