As governments fumbled their coronavirus response, these four got it right.

[sjmay]

I'll type this slower for you sj, size doesn't matter when it comes to competence. Those countries reacted quickly and competently. we didn't.

It's absolutely a ****ing lesson in futility to talk to you, you have no ****ing clue of scale, you think that there is only ONE way to do things, it's ****ing insane.

Germany absolutely did good, they also had it much EASIER.....people LISTENED. Merkel announced sweeping shutdowns MARCH 13th....the same day that Trump declared a NATIONAL emergency.

Here's the thing you can't ****ing fathom, Germany as a nation, can do things unilaterally, The United STATES, can not......figure that one out.

 

[ttwtt78640]

er uh TT, when Clinton raised taxes and limited spending increases thus setting the stage for the surplus he left (fyi cons, that's an example of "setting the stage") your conservative masters went around screaming that it would cause a double dip recession. Of course we got the greatest economy in our country's history (ever notice how they're always wrong). You just have to do things right with competent people in charge. Speaking of competent people, I believe we were discussing your sad but stupid excuses to never hold trump accountable for anything.

I did not mention Trump and congress sets federal "budget" policy - not the POTUS.

 

[Conservative]

er uh TT, when Clinton raised taxes and limited spending increases thus setting the stage for the surplus he left (fyi cons, that's an example of "setting the stage") your conservative masters went around screaming that it would cause a double dip recession. Of course we got the greatest economy in our country's history (ever notice how they're always wrong). You just have to do things right with competent people in charge. Speaking of competent people, I believe we were discussing your sad but stupid excuses to never hold trump accountable for anything.

Vern, post the data showing that the Clinton tax increases grew GDP? You keep revising history and trying to re-write it. The Clinton tax increases gave us a GOP Congress and the Contract with America. What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of historical ignorance?

 

[snakestretcher]

Oh for **** sake,

Really, Taiwan, Iceland, South Korea and Germany....the only REAL comparison is Germany, and even then, that's what 100th the size,

Such a BS article.....

What has size of population got to do with anything? Explain, if you can.

 

[snakestretcher]

Vern, I think this forum would like to hear your explanation for YOUR incompetence and lack of understanding of the Constitution, Data, and why such partisan ignorance when it comes to liberal results?

Everyone of your posts are personal attacks based upon lack of context and lack of official information. I for one would love to have you explain the liberal ideology to us and why everything that Trump does is called either a lie or evidence of incompetence. It appears to me that there is a disconnect between your ideology and reality as the results of liberal policies never measure up to the results promised. Context matters, Vern, except to a liberal where context is ignored

Your ideology has proven to be an absolute failure as evidenced by the bluest state in the nation, California, a true liberal utopia that hasn't had a GOP legislature since the 60's. It represents every liberal program created and proves exactly what liberalism is all about, destroying incentive and making people dependent. The rich get much richer in California while those at the bottom live in homeless shelters and continue to be more dependent. that is what you want the rest of the country to be like and you have the gall to call Trump and conservative policies incompetent?

Constitution, your Holy Rights, or death from stupidity because you choose to ignore common sense guidelines. You choose, because whining about your rights and the constitution won't keep you alive.

 

[What if...?]

That was my thoughts too. Taiwan and Iceland are islands with small populations and not a lot of tourism.

Germany is the only near equivalent and knowing Germans, they listen to their government and do what they're told. This time, it really paid off.

South Korea got businesses together to manufacture tests and needed equipment weeks before we did.

That allowed them to get ahead aand stay ahead.

They only have a sixth if our population but live on one hundredth the area.

Over 1300 per square mile compared to 94 per square mile here.

They acted quickly and oroactively instead of the "Tinkerbell" method. Where if we all just believe in trump hard enough it'll just flow through and all be over by April, like a miracle.

 

[Vern]

It's absolutely a ****ing lesson in futility to talk to you, you have no ****ing clue of scale, you think that there is only ONE way to do things, it's ****ing insane.

Germany absolutely did good, they also had it much EASIER.....people LISTENED. Merkel announced sweeping shutdowns MARCH 13th....the same day that Trump declared a NATIONAL emergency.

Here's the thing you can't ****ing fathom, Germany as a nation, can do things unilaterally, The United STATES, can not......figure that one out.

wah wah wah. Sj, if reality upsets you so much maybe a debate forum isn't the best place for you. Posting "people LISTENED" and "can do things unilaterally" doesn't make trump's incompetence magically disappear. Your nonsense is only about convincing yourself. And sadly "people LISTENED" when trump told them it was a hoax. Even more sadly, trump didn't listen when his own aides and the intel agencies told him it would be bad. Again, size doesn't matter when it comes to competence.

 

[Conservative]

South Korea got businesses together to manufacture tests and needed equipment weeks before we did.

That allowed them to get ahead aand stay ahead.

They only have a sixth if our population but live on one hundredth the area.

Over 1300 per square mile compared to 94 per square mile here.

They acted quickly and oroactively instead of the "Tinkerbell" method. Where if we all just believe in trump hard enough it'll just flow through and all be over by April, like a miracle.

What is quite telling is the ignorance the left has for our Constitution and the role of the state and local governments as they continue to tout much smaller countries with much smaller geographies as well and not having 50 different states and governors placing all the blame on the President. How exactly is Trump supposed to manage groups and social distancing in your state and local communities? Sounds exactly like the promotion of that liberal/socialist utopia that the left believes exists around the world.

 

[Conservative]

wah wah wah. Sj, if reality upsets you so much maybe a debate forum isn't the best place for you. Posting "people LISTENED" and "can do things unilaterally" doesn't make trump's incompetence magically disappear. Your nonsense is only about convincing yourself. And sadly "people LISTENED" when trump told them it was a hoax. Even more sadly, trump didn't listen when his own aides and the intel agencies told him it would be bad. Again, size doesn't matter when it comes to competence.

Vern, are you ever going to stop lying?? Trump never called the coronavirus a hoax. Why is it you always spread left wing lies and when proven wrong never admit it?

Did President Trump Refer to the Coronavirus as a 'Hoax'?

Keep running, Vern when challenged for that is what real liberals always do. By the way have that liberal utopia for you, California. I am sure we can find you a spot in one of the homeless camps in the state

 

[sjmay]

What has size of population got to do with anything? Explain, if you can.

Really simply, smaller the population easier to control it.....

 

[sjmay]

wah wah wah. Sj, if reality upsets you so much maybe a debate forum isn't the best place for you. Posting "people LISTENED" and "can do things unilaterally" doesn't make trump's incompetence magically disappear. Your nonsense is only about convincing yourself. And sadly "people LISTENED" when trump told them it was a hoax. Even more sadly, trump didn't listen when his own aides and the intel agencies told him it would be bad. Again, size doesn't matter when it comes to competence.

Here's the simple issue, you can't verbalize his incompetence...you just know it's there because people have told you.....

 

[snakestretcher]

Really simply, smaller the population easier to control it.....

No, not even close. Italy's population is considerably smaller that that of America, and yet their death totals are approaching yours. Density of population is the best vector for the virus, not the population total. Italy; 60 million. The US; over 300 million.

 

[sjmay]

No, not even close. Italy's population is considerably smaller that that of America, and yet their death totals are approaching yours. Density of population is the best vector for the virus, not the population total. Italy; 60 million. The US; over 300 million.

Holy ****.....did you, really? I literally said the smaller the population, the easier to control it.....it being the population.

You asked why population mattered, because the smaller it is, the easier it is to control when it comes to things like shut downs, mandatory quarantines, etc.

 

[Vern]

Here's the simple issue, you can't verbalize his incompetence...you just know it's there because people have told you.....

Well to be fair sj, "verbalizing his incompetence" wasn't required in our discussion. I was focusing on your pathetic attempts to justify his incompetence. You flailed and flailed about size. You've yet to "verbalize" a response to the fact that size has no effect on competence. You then posted any silly thought that popped into your head to justify trump's incompetence like "people LISTENED" and "can do things unilaterally." Neither one justifies his incompetence and in fact, neither one is true

However, behind Germany's as-yet low mortality rate is a confluence of many other factors. These include the country's federal system of government, which means there are hundreds of health officials overseeing the pandemic response across the 16 states, rather than one centralized response from the country's national Health Ministry.


• Claim: One reason Germany's mortality rate is low is because Germans immediately stuck to the rules about social distancing
Reality: This is a misplaced belief circulated on social media, likely based on old stereotypes of the German national character rather than actual evidence. There are no hard statistics, but widespread anecdotal evidence would suggest otherwise.

Germany’s coronavirus response: Separating fact from fiction | Coronavirus and Covid-19 - latest news about COVID-19 | DW | 07.04.2020

You really have to like how the article thinks Germanys system of federal govt with 16 states made their response better. Anyhoo, I don't really have to "verbalize his incompetence" because your obedient flailing at my posts tells me you know he's incompetent.

 

[bongsaway]

Oh for **** sake,

Really, Taiwan, Iceland, South Korea and Germany....the only REAL comparison is Germany, and even then, that's what 100th the size,

Such a BS article.....

Well here's more bs for you to chew on. When comparing countries testing per one thousand people since all countries don't have the same population, trump claims we are doing more testing than anyone except the three or four other countries who have tested more people per one thousand than we have.

Real is such a loose word for republicans.

 

[Vern]

Vern, are you ever going to stop lying?? Trump never called the coronavirus a hoax. Why is it you always spread left wing lies and when proven wrong never admit it?

Did President Trump Refer to the Coronavirus as a 'Hoax'?

Keep running, Vern when challenged for that is what real liberals always do. By the way have that liberal utopia for you, California. I am sure we can find you a spot in one of the homeless camps in the state

thank for that informative article and actually posting something honest that shows I wasn't paraphrasing what trump said properly. this is a first for you. I guess desperate times call for desperate measures in the cult. Speaking of lies, can you address the non stop lies from trump. tell us how disgusted you are especially since "when proven wrong never admit it". For brevity, you can just deal with the Covid19 lies from trump, not all of them. thanks in advance.

 

[Conservative]

thank for that informative article and actually posting something honest that shows I wasn't paraphrasing what trump said properly. this is a first for you. I guess desperate times call for desperate measures in the cult. Speaking of lies, can you address the non stop lies from trump. tell us how disgusted you are especially since "when proven wrong never admit it". For brevity, you can just deal with the Covid19 lies from trump, not all of them. thanks in advance.

What I can address is the fact that rhetoric is more important to you and the left than actions and results. Want me to post the Obama lies?? I learned a long time ago something you never have learned, Trust but verify. You pay so much attention to rhetoric, trust it but never verify it. Tell me exactly how Trump is responsible for enforcing social distancing in your community and where has the Democratic Action been since January 2020?

If you ever prove me wrong, I will indeed admit it but context isn't your friend nor is the reality of the liberal results that you continue to tout showing that rhetoric always trumps results in that liberal world and mind of yours.

 

[sjmay]

Well here's more bs for you to chew on. When comparing countries testing per one thousand people since all countries don't have the same population, trump claims we are doing more testing than anyone except the three or four other countries who have tested more people per one thousand than we have.

Real is such a loose word for republicans.

He's wrong...and he's right....he's right in that we have done more testing than anyone.....but that's because, as you stated, population matters, we HAVE more population, so of course we are going to do more.

But again, don't let hate get in your way.

 

[Vern]

What I can address is the fact that rhetoric is more important to you and the left than actions and results. Want me to post the Obama lies?? I learned a long time ago something you never have learned, Trust but verify. You pay so much attention to rhetoric, trust it but never verify it. Tell me exactly how Trump is responsible for enforcing social distancing in your community and where has the Democratic Action been since January 2020?

If you ever prove me wrong, I will indeed admit it but context isn't your friend nor is the reality of the liberal results that you continue to tout showing that rhetoric always trumps results in that liberal world and mind of yours.

Lie, deflect and the always classic "ask questions as if you're making a point". sorry Con, your typical response ceases to shock or concern me. Anyhoo, here's one of the many times I've proven you wrong.

Never said Bush didn't have an Afghanistan supplemental only that Obama had one outside the Bush spending bills which you claim caused the 1.4 trillion dollar deficit.

There was no Bush Afghanistan Supplemental.

the Bush budget didn't have Afghanistan supplementals in it. ..

Then you shouldn't have any problem posting a quote from me where I said that Bush didn't have war supplementals. He had none in 2009 because he had the continuing resolutions. Where is that war supplemental for Bush in 2009?.

 

[Conservative]

Lie, deflect and the always classic "ask questions as if you're making a point". sorry Con, your typical response ceases to shock or concern me. Anyhoo, here's one of the many times I've proven you wrong.

And this is your typical non response to actual facts and data. You have never proven me wrong and if there were many times you wouldn't have trouble supporting your claims by naming one. Obviously you are a partisan liberal hack who spouts lies and distortions like "trump calling the virus a hoax" then going off supporting more liberal rhetoric without ever posting actual liberal results. You are easy to figure out, someone who needs the nanny state that a multi millionaire public servant will provide for you thus creating dependence which obviously you need

 

[Vern]

And

see above

 

[Conservative]

see above

I have looked above, typical liberal empty rhetoric and a liberal lie the economy was coming out of recession thanks to TARP when Bush left office.

 

[Vern]

I have looked above, typical liberal empty rhetoric and a liberal lie the economy was coming out of recession thanks to TARP when Bush left office.

I showed you lying. You deflected as expected. Again, your typical response ceases to shock or concern me.

 

[Peter King]

Oh for **** sake,

Really, Taiwan, Iceland, South Korea and Germany....the only REAL comparison is Germany, and even then, that's what 100th the size,

Such a BS article.....

You do know how to count? If the US was 100 times bigger than the US it would have 8 billion 315 million people living in Germany. So no, the US isn't even 4 times bigger than Germany in population numbers.

And when it comes to landmass, the US is 27 times bigger than Germany. But as it is population density that is the issue, it is even more incredible of Germany to have as few infected people and especially as few deaths as Germany has.

Your post is just an epic fail.

 

[Peter King]

Pretty much this....same with South Korea...they have a really....subservient population, for the most part.....but **** let's compare them with oranges and wonder why oranges give better vitamin C boosts......

Still making little to no sense, or should I say your post is nonsense. The US is just 4 times bigger than Germany but it has almost twice as many tests per capita than the US. It has 1/9th of the fatalities and 1/6 of the number of sick people. Even if you take the number of German sick and multiply it by 4, the would still have way less sick and if you look at the number of deaths per capita the US has 139 deaths per capita and Germany 62.