As Biden pushes us into EVs Americas grid is failing

[Lloyd Christmas]

Who votes and fights against infrastructure spending? Republicans. All so they can whine about the crumbling infrastructure and try to blame democrats. Same shit over and over from the right

 

[Chainsawmassacre]

Dude, relax. Rolling out new tech and infrastructure takes time. It's not going to happen over night, it's not going to happen in a few years. The more EV cars on the road the more stations will be built. God, you guys are partisan hacks! T

Right, it takes time. Closing fossil fuel power plants before there’s a reliable alternative is putting the cart ahead of the horse.

 

[Chainsawmassacre]

damn, you are gloom and doom! Come out of your bunker. The sun is shining.

Doom and gloom are the alarmist predictions of Armageddon if we don’t immediately stop using fossil fuel. Reality is putting these people in charge of our energy policy is a guarantee of electricity shortfall as they kill fossil fuel plants while simultaneously pushing more consumption of electricity .

 

[Chainsawmassacre]

What are your projections for EV sales that make you think this will grow at an unsustainable rate?

Here's what's projected for electric vehicle manufacturing through 2030

Automakers worldwide will spend more than a half trillion dollars on electric vehicle manufacturing through 2030, according to a new report.

electrek.co

 

[RealityNow]

Right, it takes time. Closing fossil fuel power plants before there’s a reliable alternative is putting the cart ahead of the horse.

Geez.... did you or do you read... if Not you should read about the Refineries that Closed During Trump Admin, and then Read about the Oil Drilling Leases that Big Companies sit on, to ensure that people will Drill, do not get those leases.

Maybe some of these people, OP included, does not grasp what the word "phase" actually means, nor have they looked at the concept for phase changes.
They post this crap as if someone is going to shut off Oil Production and Usage by Midnight.

Pure Drama Alarmist, looking for something to be 'wound up about".... and ignoring data and facts.

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U.S. oil and gas permitting has increased under Biden, data shows​

In fiscal year 2021, 98 percent of drilling permit applications were approved. So far this year, 96 percent of permit applications have been approved. During fiscal year 2020, the last year of the Trump administration, the approval rate was 94 percent.

• In terms of raw numbers, more drilling permits were approved during Biden’s first year in office than in any of Trump’s first three years.

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[Chainsawmassacre]

Geez.... did you or do you read... if Not you should read about the Refineries that Closed During Trump Admin, and then Read about the Oil Drilling Leases that Big Companies sit on, to ensure that people will Drill, do not get those leases.

Maybe some of these people, OP included, does not grasp what the word "phase" actually means, nor have they looked at the concept for phase changes.
They post this crap as if someone is going to shut off Oil Production and Usage by Midnight.

Pure Drama Alarmist, looking for something to be 'wound up about".... and ignoring data and facts.

quote

U.S. oil and gas permitting has increased under Biden, data shows​

In fiscal year 2021, 98 percent of drilling permit applications were approved. So far this year, 96 percent of permit applications have been approved. During fiscal year 2020, the last year of the Trump administration, the approval rate was 94 percent.

• In terms of raw numbers, more drilling permits were approved during Biden’s first year in office than in any of Trump’s first three years.

end quote

I won’t bother once again debunking every talking point you just parroted. I will note that you desperately attempted to change the subject of my post you responded to.


Chainsawmassacre said:
Right, it takes time. Closing fossil fuel power plants before there’s a reliable alternative is putting the cart ahead of the horse

 

[ElChupacabra]

Here's what's projected for electric vehicle manufacturing through 2030

Automakers worldwide will spend more than a half trillion dollars on electric vehicle manufacturing through 2030, according to a new report.

electrek.co

Which if given those projections, would still have EVs representing a very small fraction of the overall vehicle tally. They represent 1% of the 250,000,000 cars and trucks out there currently, and one would have to assume there will be no change in renewable energy stability in the next 8 years, which is a bit of a stretch. Also, one would have to ignore the lack of reliability of fossil fuel sources as well, since grids have become a victim of their unreliability as well.

 

[Chainsawmassacre]

Which if given those projections, would still have EVs representing a very small fraction of the overall vehicle tally. They represent 1% of the 250,000,000 cars and trucks out there currently, and one would have to assume there will be no change in renewable energy stability in the next 8 years, which is a bit of a stretch. Also, one would have to ignore the lack of reliability of fossil fuel sources as well, since grids have become a victim of their unreliability as well.

Bottom line is a huge new draw on the grid as alarmist dismantle it. This doesn’t end well.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Bottom line is a huge new draw on the grid as alarmist dismantle it. This doesn’t end well.

You'd have to define whether or not the growth of EVs will outpace the demands they will place on the grid. As it stands right now, hotter weather over longer periods of time seem to be the biggest threat to the grid in both demand and the upgrading of existing power plants to handle the heat on its equipment than demand specifically attributed to EVs.

 

[Chainsawmassacre]

You'd have to define whether or not the growth of EVs will outpace the demands they will place on the grid. As it stands right now, hotter weather over longer periods of time seem to be the biggest threat to the grid in both demand and the upgrading of existing power plants to handle the heat on its equipment than demand specifically attributed to EVs.

EVs will definitely put more demand on the grid as alarmist weaken the grid and make it less reliable. It’s simple math.

 

[Paradoxical]

Yeah, because in America we never addressed problems before. Listening to you, there is no solution, just throw up your hands and say, 'there is nothing that can be done.' That's the caveman thinking. There is a reason why many call conservatives 'regressives.'

What I read here from the regressive-wing is the same as what they said over 100 years ago. Cars? Where are you going to fill up with gas? I'm sticking with my horse.

As we speak, people are adding solar photovoltaics to their homes. I did that in 2018 and my home has a net usage of zero for electricity. A neighbor has it and charges his Tesla.

Solutions exist to reduce dramatically the use of fossil fuels for electric production. Regressives just don't want to hear them because they're stuck in the 1950s.

The solutions are more costly.

 

[ElChupacabra]

EVs will definitely put more demand on the grid as alarmist weaken the grid and make it less reliable. It’s simple math.

So does hotter weather, and that's far more of a present danger than EV growth over the next 8 years. New housing also puts more demand on the grid etc., so if the concern is new demands on the grid, EV growth based on the projections you cited is small potatoes compared to new housing alone. Mind you, charging an EV consumes less energy than that consumed by a water heater.

 

[PeteEU]

Biden wants to get rid of fossil fuels both in cars and in energy production. The results of his agenda will be catastrophic for America. How do you get to work if you can't plug your car in because the wind isn't blowing?


"Electrical-grid operators are warning Michigan residents that blackouts could be needed during the hot summer months, with a hurried changeover to renewable energy sources at the forefront of the issue"


"The problem is not just limited to Michigan, with electric-grid operators from across the country warning of similar issues in other regions."

Renewable energy dependence could lead to rolling blackouts in Michigan this summer

Power outages expected in Michigan residents this summer as grid operators attempt to switch over to renewable sources of energy and close down coal and natural gas.

www.foxnews.com

Americas grid has been failing for decades as many mass blackouts over the years have shown. Blaming Biden is pathetic.

Hey maybe this will finally inspire the greedy American corporations and corrupt states to finally invest and fix the American electrical grid.

 

[Gatsby]

Biden wants to get rid of fossil fuels both in cars and in energy production. The results of his agenda will be catastrophic for America. How do you get to work if you can't plug your car in because the wind isn't blowing?

"Electrical-grid operators are warning Michigan residents that blackouts could be needed during the hot summer months, with a hurried changeover to renewable energy sources at the forefront of the issue"

"The problem is not just limited to Michigan, with electric-grid operators from across the country warning of similar issues in other regions."

Renewable energy dependence could lead to rolling blackouts in Michigan this summer

Power outages expected in Michigan residents this summer as grid operators attempt to switch over to renewable sources of energy and close down coal and natural gas.

www.foxnews.com

Fortunately we passed a big infrastructure bill last year that will help fix America's crumbling power grid.

 

[Roadvirus]

Biden wants to get rid of fossil fuels both in cars and in energy production. The results of his agenda will be catastrophic for America. How do you get to work if you can't plug your car in because the wind isn't blowing?


"Electrical-grid operators are warning Michigan residents that blackouts could be needed during the hot summer months, with a hurried changeover to renewable energy sources at the forefront of the issue"


"The problem is not just limited to Michigan, with electric-grid operators from across the country warning of similar issues in other regions."

Renewable energy dependence could lead to rolling blackouts in Michigan this summer

Power outages expected in Michigan residents this summer as grid operators attempt to switch over to renewable sources of energy and close down coal and natural gas.

www.foxnews.com

These idiots didn't plan. They bought into the "Renewables are the instant cure-all!" crapola, shut down the evil coal plants all at once and now are paying the price for their impulsiveness.

 

[RealityNow]

I won’t bother once again debunking every talking point you just parroted. I will note that you desperately attempted to change the subject of my post you responded to.


Chainsawmassacre said:
Right, it takes time. Closing fossil fuel power plants before there’s a reliable alternative is putting the cart ahead of the horse

No I did not,
I gave you information, that Biden is NOT closing plants, nor is he blocking Drilling, Oil companies have 1000's of Permits they WON'T drill because they are concerned about "Investor Profits" over the service to the consuming public.

The Administration knows it has to build an entire "infrastructure of charging stations" as well as it has to upgrade many sectors of the Existing Power Grid.
All those things are "included in the "Build Back Better", as well as great many of those things are part of what make ups the Green New Deal.


--------------------------------------- general comment- not directed at you ----------------------------
We know some people who engage these forums simply don't read to grasp the details, they listen to "Pundits in the media" as if they are duped to think these "media talking head people are authorties at everything...... They are nothing more than "Opinion Slingers" chasing drama to keep people tuned in, so the advertisers pay them hefty pay to the network so they can make millionaires of the people they feed this "drama incitements" into the minds of those who don't and won't read actual "Legislation".. but they love to "talk" and regurgitate the "drama incitement they crave". It gives them the DELUSION of being "Informed" when fact is they are Led and Misled Like Cult Leaders do to Cult Members. Except these "Opinion Slingers" do it for Profit and Power to Manipulate The Under-educated and Un-read among society.

Maybe some people come for "entertainment" or "just to pass the time"... and "some come to share information" that people can build upon, to research and learn and pursue better understanding ?????

 

[RealityNow]

These idiots didn't plan. They bought into the "Renewables are the instant cure-all!" crapola, shut down the evil coal plants all at once and now are paying the price for their impulsiveness.

Do you ever "read".... ? Maybe you should look back at history, of how long it took some to "let go of the horse and buggy" and buy a automotive vehicle. As more people bought them, more "Service Stations sprang up all across the nation"... the same process will see "EV" charging stations began to become more wide spread, and at the same time, they are continuing to learn more of how to make more longer lasting battery cells.

• Some already use the roof with solar panels, to power various accessories within the vehicles, and there will be more improvements, "everyday" people are researching and developing and making innovative changes to things that have been developed.

Maybe you don't remember how reluctant people were to use computers, and it took some a long time, to send emails, rather than postal mail, it took some people a long time to use ATM cards rather than paper checks. There's still a lot of people who "pay their bills by paper check, via the U.S. Postal System.

You have such a NEGATIVE about anything that you don't understand or utilize, as if you think society will stop progressing because you have such a incessant negativity about "EVERYTHING".

It probably took you a long time to transistion to using computers, the same as it took some people a long time to move from "Picture Tube TV's" to flat panels.

There's still people with "flip phones" who still don't grasp the efficiency of "smart phones".

• I don't jump on everything as soon as it comes out, but I don't fight against it, simply because I have not chosen to utilize it.
  • I don't do banking on my phone... I use Pre-Paid Cards, for Internet Shopping and at Small Stores and Restaurants.

Your commentary is consistently like it's "stuck in freeze mode about Everything".... simply because you don't grasp the changes in society. But, you only limit yourself, because the world won't stop advancing because you don't or can't keep up with the changes.

There's still Right Wing Conservatives with negative mentality about Social Security and Medicare, but if they don't get their check on time, or if they did not have Medicare, they are the first to start scraming and whining.

 

[VanceMack]

Well, looking back at the past 30 years it's been a mixed bag in the governorship, GOP control of the state Senate, and mostly GOP control of the state House.

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It is Whitmer's Green Energy plan that is causing the problem.

"The state soon will lose at least 5.8 million annual megawatt hours of carbon dioxide-free energy production. That’s an amount equal to all the energy produced by the wind industry that Michigan has built up over the past 13 years, at a cost of more than $5 billion.

This loss of CO2-free energy deals a traumatic blow to Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s plan to take the state to zero emissions by 2050. Yet hardly anybody’s talking about it — certainly not the governor herself.

This large, reliable, emissions-free source of electricity is the Palisades Nuclear Generating Station on Lake Michigan. The 811-kilowatt plant will shut down in May, about 10 years before its operating license expires. Palisades owner Entergy, facing perverse pricing challenges in the energy market, decided in 2017 to operate the plant until this year, following complicated negotiations with the Michigan Public Service Commission. Palisades has produced electricity since 1973 and provides about 6.8 million megawatt hours of energy per year.

Compare that with output from the 1,400 giant wind turbines that occupy large tracts of the state. A recent study from Commodity.com put Michigan on an honor roll of wind-powered states — for producing only 5.8 million megawatt hours per year. A single nuclear plant does far better than that. Palisades alone generated 7 million megawatt hours in 2021, according to the U.S. Energy Information Agency (EIA)."

Michigan Is About to Lose a Big Source of Green Energy

If governors cared about the climate, they wouldn’t oppose nuclear energy

www.mackinac.org

The IDEA of green energy is great...but why do leftists ALWAYS advocate for these artificial deadlines that end up screwing themselves over long before there is a viable renewable fuel resource available?

 

[dcsports]

The technological obstacles will likely be addressed, and part of that includes what materials are used for batteries. The materials problem is an issue regardless of energy source, as is outlined by the current issues with petroleum.

That's the challenge though... There's a very vocal group who wants to 'make it so' - that also ignore the reality that the infrastructure and technology aren't there yet. I would love for cars to be better, cleaner, and more efficient, but we're not there yet. I'm among many that take a more practical approach. And we don't even know that EV's will be the ultimate answer. I remember when the Toyota Prius came out - to predictions we would all be driving hybrids in 10 years. That was 1997 - 25 years ago.

 

[dcsports]

Who votes and fights against infrastructure spending? Republicans. All so they can whine about the crumbling infrastructure and try to blame democrats. Same shit over and over from the right

It is Democrats who fight against infrastructure spending. They are all for spending... but view infrastructure like other items that everyone agrees is needed - a pawn to load up with other spending.

 

[Chainsawmassacre]

So does hotter weather, and that's far more of a present danger than EV growth over the next 8 years. New housing also puts more demand on the grid etc., so if the concern is new demands on the grid, EV growth based on the projections you cited is small potatoes compared to new housing alone. Mind you, charging an EV consumes less energy than that consumed by a water heater.

Yet another reason not to ditch fossil fuel power plants

 

[Chainsawmassacre]

Americas grid has been failing for decades as many mass blackouts over the years have shown. Blaming Biden is pathetic.

Hey maybe this will finally inspire the greedy American corporations and corrupt states to finally invest and fix the American electrical grid.

Replacing fossil fuel power plants with wind and solar will only exacerbate the problem instead of fix it.

 

[Chainsawmassacre]

Fortunately we passed a big infrastructure bill last year that will help fix America's crumbling power grid.

I'll believe that when I see it.

 

[Bear5131]

LOL That is more wishful dinosaur loving thinking. There is plenty of lithium on earth and it can also be recycled from used batteries. Our power grid is being updated as we speak too.

Ah, yes, that’s a thoughtful question! The short answer is yes, we do have enough lithium for electric cars. If you even loosely follow the EV (electric vehicle) market, you’ll know there’s a lot of talk about the demand for lithium used for electric car batteries. It’s an essential component for the construction of an EV and there’s a lot of debate about supply, demand, and methods of extraction.
According to a US Geological Survey, the earth’s crust contains around 21 million tons of lithium while the ocean contains close to one trillion tons of lithium! The main obstacle then becomes developing the technology to extract it on a commercial level. That will be the larger challenge as we move into the EV future that seems all but certain.

https://getjerry.com/questions/do-we-have-enough-lithium-for-electric-cars

You would have a better chance at importing diamonds from Saturn then you would have getting the lithium from the earth's crust or oceans


Saturn the planet of the rings the atmosphere holds a treasure: real showers made from diamonds. What makes precious stones rain down on this planet? On Saturn, the combination of methane with storms produces a shower of diamonds.Jul 14, 2020

https://www.yourweather.co.uk › rai...

Rain on Saturn is made of diamonds, not water - Yourweather.co.uk
​

 

[Chainsawmassacre]

No I did not,
I gave you information, that Biden is NOT closing plants, nor is he blocking Drilling, Oil companies have 1000's of Permits they WON'T drill because they are concerned about "Investor Profits" over the service to the consuming public.

The Administration knows it has to build an entire "infrastructure of charging stations" as well as it has to upgrade many sectors of the Existing Power Grid.
All those things are "included in the "Build Back Better", as well as great many of those things are part of what make ups the Green New Deal.


--------------------------------------- general comment- not directed at you ----------------------------
We know some people who engage these forums simply don't read to grasp the details, they listen to "Pundits in the media" as if they are duped to think these "media talking head people are authorties at everything...... They are nothing more than "Opinion Slingers" chasing drama to keep people tuned in, so the advertisers pay them hefty pay to the network so they can make millionaires of the people they feed this "drama incitements" into the minds of those who don't and won't read actual "Legislation".. but they love to "talk" and regurgitate the "drama incitement they crave". It gives them the DELUSION of being "Informed" when fact is they are Led and Misled Like Cult Leaders do to Cult Members. Except these "Opinion Slingers" do it for Profit and Power to Manipulate The Under-educated and Un-read among society.

Maybe some people come for "entertainment" or "just to pass the time"... and "some come to share information" that people can build upon, to research and learn and pursue better understanding ?????

Biden's anti fossil fuels agenda along with Bideflation makes reopening diesel refineries that closed during the Covid shutdown unprofitable.