Arizona voting data taken to so-called 'lab' in remote Montana

[j-mac]

We don’t have any security issues. Trumps own DHS head has shown you that.

Say what now?

 

[Lursa]

Are you pleased with the job Biden is doing? Which of his policies are better than Trump's?

Yup.

Environmental, CV 19, economic, infrastructure, foreign policy and he's doing his best on the borders. He's not done yet. Good lord, he's only 5 months in. He's also in there swinging on a more positive impact on racism.

 

[Lursa]

So, according to your "ballot dumping" theory, ballots were created in the middle of the night for registered voters who did not yet vote and those ballots were dumped. That's an absurd theory, since it requires a massive infrastructure to do that in a few hours. Moreover, in many states mail-in ballots weren't allowed to be opened before Election Day.

How would they know which registered voters didnt vote?

What you witnessed was rural precincts coming in first. Those places are typically Republican. Then, the populous urban areas, that mostly vote Democratic, came in last. That moved the needle from Trump being in the lead to Biden being in the lead. This happens in every election.

Everyone was aware of that. Even The Donald.

On whether I believe Biden got more votes than Obama in 2008, yes. In 2008, there was one Election Day. In 2020, there were periods of weeks to vote. If one voted by mail it could have been a month. That's how both Biden and Trump both got more votes than Obama in 2008. It really doesn't take a stretch to see how.

We wanted The Donald out of there, no matter what. So of course we werent going to make the same mistake as in 2016...everyone got out and took out the garbage. It's not surprising at all for a president that didnt even hit 50% popularity his entire time in office (I think he may have managed somewhere whining at the end).

 

[Carl Young]

You asked, “Are you pleased with the job Biden is doing? Which of his policies are better than Trump's?” I answered that in post #216.

Yes, I asked Lursa.

 

[Carl Young]

Yup.

Environmental, CV 19, economic, infrastructure, foreign policy and he's doing his best on the borders. He's not done yet. Good lord, he's only 5 months in. He's also in there swinging on a more positive impact on racism.

I was hoping for something more specific but thanks for the response.

 

[Individual]

My only question is what could be done to eliminate the possibility of the validity of FUTURE elections being questioned?

 

[Lursa]

I was hoping for something more specific but thanks for the response.

If you dont know what he's been doing, I'm not sure you should be asking the question...you should be doing the research.

I can think of many specifics...but then I'd have to verify them for you, since you arent aware of them. Too much work.

 

[Carl Young]

If you dont know what he's been doing, I'm not sure you should be asking the question...you should be doing the research.

I can think of many specifics...but then I'd have to verify them for you, since you arent aware of them. Too much work.

That's okay. If you can't think of any specifics I'm no longer interested.

 

[Carl Young]

My only question is what could be done to eliminate the possibility of the validity of FUTURE elections being questioned?

I believe that's the main concern of most of the electorate and am surprised there is any opposition.

 

[post]

My only question is what could be done to eliminate the possibility of the validity of FUTURE elections being questioned?

All the bombs dropped and bullets fired in Europe in WWII only strengthened the conviction.
It is, "our leader could not possibly lose because ..." opposing it strengthens it.

The facts and the history indicate there is more potential in the MSM and Biden Admin. praising and encouraging TrumpOfacism than
there is in opposing it because opposing it strengthens it. The U.S., U.K., and U.S.S.R. attempted to kill their way out of it, at a high cost
and in hindsight, with mixed results.

Or, have you convinced yourself "it's different this time"? It certainly has not been bashful about grasping for absolute power.

In court pleading filed by attorney for 49 year old Indiana grandmother charged with January 6 trespassing.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.228150/gov.uscourts.dcd.228150.20.1_2.pdf

Theodore Fred Abel - Wikipedia

Theodore Fred Abel - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"...Among the recurring themes of the letters were people who were hoping Hitler would bring back order and their distrust of the press due to the press being what they considered overcritical of Hitler and his ideas.[5] The women's accounts are especially interesting given the historical context of German's Women's movements at the time..."

Nazis Explain Why They Became Nazis

In 1934, American writer Theodore Abel created a fake competition to trick hundreds of people into describing why they loved the Nazi Party so much. Their words seem worryingly relevant today.

www.vice.com

"..some more liberal groups called for the boycott of shops owned by Nazi Party members. But that only seemed to make Hitler and the Nazis more appealing to many. "It was because Adolf Hitler and his party faced so much criticism and resistance among the press that I became particularly interested in joining their movement," wrote a party member named Friedrich Jörns. The letters Abel received reveal that the right-wing information bubble prior to 1933 largely stemmed from the weekly newspaper Der Stürmer, Hitler's Mein Kampf, and Nazi Party rallies.."

Denazification - Wikipedia

Denazification - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"Denazification was carried out in an increasingly lenient and lukewarm way until being officially abolished in 1951. Additionally, the program was hugely unpopular in West Germany where many Nazis maintained positions of power, and was opposed by the new West German government of Konrad Adenauer..."

 

[Individual]

All the bombs dropped and bullets fired in Europe in WWII only strengthened the conviction.
It is, "our leader could not possibly lose because ..."

In court pleading filed by attorney for 49 year old Indiana grandmother charged with January 6 trespassing.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.228150/gov.uscourts.dcd.228150.20.1_2.pdf

Theodore Fred Abel - Wikipedia

Theodore Fred Abel - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"...Among the recurring themes of the letters were people who were hoping Hitler would bring back order and their distrust of the press due to the press being what they considered overcritical of Hitler and his ideas.[5] The women's accounts are especially interesting given the historical context of German's Women's movements at the time..."

Nazis Explain Why They Became Nazis

In 1934, American writer Theodore Abel created a fake competition to trick hundreds of people into describing why they loved the Nazi Party so much. Their words seem worryingly relevant today.

www.vice.com

"..some more liberal groups called for the boycott of shops owned by Nazi Party members. But that only seemed to make Hitler and the Nazis more appealing to many. "It was because Adolf Hitler and his party faced so much criticism and resistance among the press that I became particularly interested in joining their movement," wrote a party member named Friedrich Jörns. The letters Abel received reveal that the right-wing information bubble prior to 1933 largely stemmed from the weekly newspaper Der Stürmer, Hitler's Mein Kampf, and Nazi Party rallies.."

The integrity of our elections should be made to leave no question of who won.

 

[post]

The integrity of our elections should be made to leave no question of who won.

Trump party is passing legislatures to shift election certification from those who performed in intended non-partisan oversight in 2020
to Trump party majority legislators because courts also did not perform to their liking in 2020.

They are attempting to legalize the January 6 Insurrection so that in 2024 such a putsch will be committed state by state as they
use their legislative majorities to nullify election results unfavorable to Trump party.

Trump party is undemocratic and should be disqualified from fielding candidates but that would attract more support for it.

Explain what has strengthened Putin's grip on Russia to the degree elections are window dressing. Opposing him strengthened his support, causing him to gain the confidence to physically eliminate all political opposition, anticipating no repercussions as he tested the waters with "baby steps" such as jailing P-censored-y Riot and moving from there to discredit the press and all other forms of opposition.

Why is it expected it is different here? Is cancer different in Italy than in Germany, Spain or Hungary or Russia?

Spain feels Franco's legacy 40 years after his death - BBC ...

Spain feels Franco's legacy 40 years after his death

Forty years after is death, the legacy of Spain's Gen Francisco Franco still bedevils politics, writes Prof Paul Preston.

www.bbc.com

"Spain feels Franco's legacy 40 years after his death. Spain's Gen Francisco Franco fought a brutal war against democracy with the aid of Hitler and Mussolini and thereafter presided over a regime ..."

What is the public perception of Francisco Franco in Spain today? Is he reviled? Is he respected? Are people ambivalent?

Answer (1 of 14): Below please find my answer to a substantially similar question. - W.K.A. When the topic is Franco, emotions run extremely high and it is almost impossible to get an unbiased view — nobody is indifferent to his 4-decade grip on power. What follows is my own private summary gle...

www.quora.com

What is the public perception of Francisco Franco in Spain today? Is he reviled? Is he respected? Are people ambivalent?
Kristjan Arnold
, lives in Spain (1988-present) Updated February 27
"Group-1, Franco as the Embodiment of Evil:.. I have met people who would not drink the water from the faucets in their own homes because the water was sourced from the hydro-electric dams built by his regime. They want those dams to be dynamited into rubble and all-new dams to be constructed with new, non-Franco cement. ..

Group-2, Franco the Savior: At the other far end of the spectrum, we have those who regard Franco as the greatest ruler, bar none, Spain has ever had. They strongly support his no-nonsense approach to public affairs and strict adherence to law & order, rooted in traditional [read: devoutly Catholic] values of family, church and work. Divorce, gay rights, presumptions of innocence, and other liberal facets of modern society are decried as self-destructive, bad habits that need to be forcibly restrained. The absence of democracy is regarded as a small price to pay for the avalanche of benefits to be heaped on society at large by returning to the straight & narrow path of set down by Franco’s directives. BTW, this group also regards the Monarchy (Franco’s designated replacement as head-of-state) as heretical and would welcome charges being brought against former King Juan Carlos I for high treason. You’ll think I’m exaggerating but I kid you not! This group is also not insignificant in number, perhaps as much as 10% of the population, or upwards of 5 million people."

 

[j-mac]

LOL, who's crapping in the Oval Office bathroom?

Hint: It's not Trump.

Not Joe either, he wears depends….lol

 

[j-mac]

How would they know which registered voters didnt vote?


Everyone was aware of that. Even The Donald.

We wanted The Donald out of there, no matter what. So of course we werent going to make the same mistake as in 2016...everyone got out and took out the garbage. It's not surprising at all for a president that didnt even hit 50% popularity his entire time in office (I think he may have managed somewhere whining at the end).

There it is right there…by any means necessary…

 

[post]

There it is right there…by any means necessary…

Because it has become clear it is not possible to over react to the threat Trump and Trumpism pose to free and fair elections.

Jonathan P. Baird: Criminalizing protest is a symptom of fascist decay - Concord Monitor

It has now been almost four years since neo-Nazi James Fields plowed his Dodge Challenger into a crowd of protesters in Charlottesville during the infamous “Unite the Right” demonstration. Fields severely hurt over 30 people and killed 32-year-old...

www.concordmonitor.com

June 1, 2021
"..While the act of driving a vehicle into a crowd of people is deranged, the truth is that since the George Floyd protests, dozens of drivers have maliciously rammed into crowds of protesters marching in roadways. USA Today reported that cars have hit demonstrators 104 times since the Floyd protests began. There have been two fatalities, one in Seattle and another in Bakersfield, California.

Instead of recognizing the criminality of such cold-blooded, vicious behavior, Republican legislators around the country responded with laws providing immunity for drivers who kill or injure protesters. It is like they are offering permission and a seal of approval to assault protesters with their cars. They are making it easier for that to happen...

...In both 2016 and 2020, Trump said losing was not an option. In 2016, he had said he would not accept the results of the election — until he won. In 2020, Trump lost but refused to concede. Refusing to concede broke with a democratic tradition dating back to 1797 when George Washington willingly stepped down as our first president. If you argue that losing is an impossible result, you are mirroring the behavior of autocrats who refuse to give up power and who reject the results of democratic elections. What motivates rank and file Republicans to reject democracy in favor of a Putin-wannabee figure like Trump? .."

 

[Individual]

Trump party is passing legislatures to shift election certification from those who performed in intended non-partisan oversight in 2020
to Trump party majority legislators because courts also did not perform to their liking in 2020.

They are attempting to legalize the January 6 Insurrection so that in 2024 such a putsch will be committed state by state as they
use their legislative majorities to nullify election results unfavorable to Trump party.

Trump party is undemocratic and should be disqualified from fielding candidates but that would attract more support for it.

Explain what has strengthened Putin's grip on Russia to the degree elections are window dressing. Opposing him strengthened his support, causing him to gain the confidence to physically eliminate all political opposition, anticipating no repercussions as he tested the waters with "baby steps" such as jailing P-censored-y Riot and moving from there to discredit the press and all other forms of opposition.

Why is it expected it is different here? Is cancer different in Italy than in Germany, Spain or Hungary or Russia?

Spain feels Franco's legacy 40 years after his death - BBC ...

Spain feels Franco's legacy 40 years after his death

Forty years after is death, the legacy of Spain's Gen Francisco Franco still bedevils politics, writes Prof Paul Preston.

www.bbc.com

"Spain feels Franco's legacy 40 years after his death. Spain's Gen Francisco Franco fought a brutal war against democracy with the aid of Hitler and Mussolini and thereafter presided over a regime ..."

What is the public perception of Francisco Franco in Spain today? Is he reviled? Is he respected? Are people ambivalent?

Answer (1 of 14): Below please find my answer to a substantially similar question. - W.K.A. When the topic is Franco, emotions run extremely high and it is almost impossible to get an unbiased view — nobody is indifferent to his 4-decade grip on power. What follows is my own private summary gle...

www.quora.com

What is the public perception of Francisco Franco in Spain today? Is he reviled? Is he respected? Are people ambivalent?
Kristjan Arnold
, lives in Spain (1988-present) Updated February 27
"Group-1, Franco as the Embodiment of Evil:.. I have met people who would not drink the water from the faucets in their own homes because the water was sourced from the hydro-electric dams built by his regime. They want those dams to be dynamited into rubble and all-new dams to be constructed with new, non-Franco cement. ..

Group-2, Franco the Savior: At the other far end of the spectrum, we have those who regard Franco as the greatest ruler, bar none, Spain has ever had. They strongly support his no-nonsense approach to public affairs and strict adherence to law & order, rooted in traditional [read: devoutly Catholic] values of family, church and work. Divorce, gay rights, presumptions of innocence, and other liberal facets of modern society are decried as self-destructive, bad habits that need to be forcibly restrained. The absence of democracy is regarded as a small price to pay for the avalanche of benefits to be heaped on society at large by returning to the straight & narrow path of set down by Franco’s directives. BTW, this group also regards the Monarchy (Franco’s designated replacement as head-of-state) as heretical and would welcome charges being brought against former King Juan Carlos I for high treason. You’ll think I’m exaggerating but I kid you not! This group is also not insignificant in number, perhaps as much as 10% of the population, or upwards of 5 million people."

Why direct such a post to me?

 

[Lursa]

That's okay. If you can't think of any specifics I'm no longer interested.

Dont lie to make yourself 'look right' on the Internets. We both know it's not worth my while to post specifics for you, who would then go into a huge rigamarole of 'sources.'

You asked me for something and when I complied, you claimed it wasnt specific enough.

Actually it was...and if you cant connect any of them to specific issues or events, then you arent informed enough to evaluate what I'd offer.

 

[Lursa]

There it is right there…by any means necessary…

LOL if "taking out the garbage" is 'by any means necessary" then sure!

Taking out the garbage is legal, just like the voting by everyone that wanted to get rid of The Donald.

Heh, were you one of the ones so programmed that you thought The Donald couldnt lose? Why do you think we have elections? The Donald never hit 50% popularity his entire time, except for once right at the end MAYBE, while in office...not even in conservative polls.

We had the numbers, we didnt need to cheat.

 

[j-mac]

Because it has become clear it is not possible to over react to the threat Trump and Trumpism pose to free and fair elections.

Jonathan P. Baird: Criminalizing protest is a symptom of fascist decay - Concord Monitor

It has now been almost four years since neo-Nazi James Fields plowed his Dodge Challenger into a crowd of protesters in Charlottesville during the infamous “Unite the Right” demonstration. Fields severely hurt over 30 people and killed 32-year-old...

www.concordmonitor.com

June 1, 2021
"..While the act of driving a vehicle into a crowd of people is deranged, the truth is that since the George Floyd protests, dozens of drivers have maliciously rammed into crowds of protesters marching in roadways. USA Today reported that cars have hit demonstrators 104 times since the Floyd protests began. There have been two fatalities, one in Seattle and another in Bakersfield, California.

Instead of recognizing the criminality of such cold-blooded, vicious behavior, Republican legislators around the country responded with laws providing immunity for drivers who kill or injure protesters. It is like they are offering permission and a seal of approval to assault protesters with their cars. They are making it easier for that to happen...

...In both 2016 and 2020, Trump said losing was not an option. In 2016, he had said he would not accept the results of the election — until he won. In 2020, Trump lost but refused to concede. Refusing to concede broke with a democratic tradition dating back to 1797 when George Washington willingly stepped down as our first president. If you argue that losing is an impossible result, you are mirroring the behavior of autocrats who refuse to give up power and who reject the results of democratic elections. What motivates rank and file Republicans to reject democracy in favor of a Putin-wannabee figure like Trump? .."

Losing fair and square is no problem…When you agree “by any means necessary “ you give up your freedom.

 

[j-mac]

LOL if "taking out the garbage" is 'by any means necessary" then sure!

Taking out the garbage is legal, just like the voting by everyone that wanted to get rid of The Donald.

Heh, were you one of the ones so programmed that you thought The Donald couldnt lose? Why do you think we have elections? The Donald never hit 50% popularity his entire time, except for once right at the end MAYBE, while in office...not even in conservative polls.

We had the numbers, we didnt need to cheat.

And yet you did…What’s that say about you?

 

[rocket88]

Checking for voter fraud and errors is not trying to 'reverse the election', It's making sure the election was run properly, just as most Americans want. Nothing to fear.

Thst's not the intent of the audit. It's perfectly clear to anybody who doesn't willingly blind themselves for partisanship.

 

[rocket88]

Losing fair and square is no problem…When you agree “by any means necessary “ you give up your freedom.

Not a problem to you maybe, but it is a problem for Trump and his minions.

 

[j-mac]

Not a problem to you maybe, but it is a problem for Trump and his minions.

Not if it were fair…

 

[rocket88]

Not if it were fair…

The only thing the hard-core Trumpists will accept is Trump somehow winning. Anything else, and they'll consider it not fair.

 

[post]

The only thing the hard-core Trumpists will accept is Trump somehow winning. Anything else, and they'll consider it not fair.

Nazis Explain Why They Became Nazis

In 1934, American writer Theodore Abel created a fake competition to trick hundreds of people into describing why they loved the Nazi Party so much. Their words seem worryingly relevant today.

www.vice.com

"..some more liberal groups called for the boycott of shops owned by Nazi Party members. But that only seemed to make Hitler and the Nazis more appealing to many. "It was because Adolf Hitler and his party faced so much criticism and resistance among the press that I became particularly interested in joining their movement," wrote a party member named Friedrich Jörns. The letters Abel received reveal that the right-wing information bubble prior to 1933 largely stemmed from the weekly newspaper Der Stürmer, Hitler's Mein Kampf, and Nazi Party rallies.."

Consider that Columbia University sociologist Theodore Abel's essay contest was in 1934 when Nazi party members who responded had only recently joined the party. They wrote that they were attracted by the media and establishment negative reaction to Hitler and his rhetoric.

This works the same way. The greater the intensity of pushback against Trump and Trumpism, the greater his influence over his cult, already attracted by the energy directed against Trump. So a loss is incomprehensible because it is the ultimate "unfair attack" on the persecuted, irresistible authoritarian. They were attracted in the first place by his claims he was "fighting for them" and an election loss could only be explained by the assumption it had to have been "rigged".

October, 2016: A guide to Donald Trump's 'rigged' election - POLITICO

A guide to Donald Trump's 'rigged' election

Zombie Democrats, colluding reporters and backstabbing Republicans.

www.politico.com

2016. A guide to Donald Trump's 'rigged' election. ... he'll lose because of dead ones. ... Trump's "rigged" election narrative is getting help from the same social media universe that ...

August, 2016: Why Trump says it's all 'rigged' - POLITICO

Why Trump says it's all 'rigged'

Facing a difficult stretch and daunting electoral map, the GOP nominee lands on a safe talking point, a rallying cry — and an excuse.

www.politico.com

2016. Why Trump says it's all 'rigged' Facing a difficult stretch and daunting electoral map, the GOP nominee lands on a safe talking point, a rallying cry — and an excuse.

Trump's 2016 election refrain was the same - fair, if he ...

Trump’s 2016 election refrain was the same - fair, if he won; rigged, if he lost

Do Trump supporters also teach their children that if they lose a game or contest, someone must have cheated them, asks Jeremy Shapiro of Shaker Heights in a letter to the editor.

www.cleveland.com

Trump's 2016 election refrain was the same - fair, if he won; rigged, if he lost. Posted Oct 20, 2020 . Facebook Share. Twitter Share. By Other Voices