Arizona voting data taken to so-called 'lab' in remote Montana

[RealityNow]

continued from Post #147

It's unfortunate that many people don't keep up to keep aware and to look forward, I've seen so much in forums that simply is about "spin the drama" and "chase the denial". Until they can't see today, for trying to recreate yesterdays.
They will simply find themselves again, behind and claiming again, "they've been left behind". None can stay on the cutting edge of everything, but to be unaware of the system changes in the World of Nations, the ideological changes within Society and the value changes within People, such types become a detriment to themselves and if they blind their offspring's they become a deterrent that constricts the offspring's ability to function in an advanced and fast changing society. They simply will have difficult adapting.

What is being learned from the Pure savage insanity that is being carried out by Republicanism regarding the basic and simple principles of voting, is an atrocity, that reeks of pure "savage agenda".
Many people are leaving that Political Nightmare of a cult they call The Republican Party. It's steps in the process where people are learning that the design of

American Democracy never needed "party divisiveness"... It simply needed an educated society who understand the Civics of Democracy and Know the Intrinsic Value of the Words, Principles, Values, Ethics and Integrity composed in to "The Preamble".
The bulk of society never knew or understood the purpose of The Preamble, but as with people, none would inquire for fear of the lack of knowledge of such being exposed. They simply recited the words, without concept of the depth and scope and the underlying values that each word speaks.

There are many who speak about "The Constitution" as if not to understand it was design to accommodate "Amendments" to fulfil the Principles, Values, Ethics and Integrity of The Preamble in a every changing society. It spoke so, when it stated clear and definite " in Order to form a more perfect Union" , the word "more" implies and signifies improving, growing, reaching and pursuing,... and that means changing to adapt to a changing world and a changing society.
This is why "Democracy" is designed for "Educated Minds"... because "Ignorance does not prosper nor can it perfect anything but Stupidity".

Left to some, society would still be riding in a buck-board with wooden rims and a steel band for tires and beating the back of a horse.

Equity will change, as the system of society is understanding and moving forward form the modeling that was born of a system entrenched within slavery, indentures and containment of the uneducated as the poor... yet... abusing them for their labor, their ingenuity and their determination to do good works, and society will have to improve how people are compensated. The low measure of Minimum Wage being based on "the cost to house and feed a slave"... is a system that has proven extremely damaging to society.
It has resulted to see great things man built deteriorate, communities become ghetto's and people suffering the maladies of poor health.

POLITICS... must change how its administered, its has a broader responsibility to be for "All" the people, Rather than to bastardize itself based on race, and gender, and ethnicity.

Today waits for no one, and tomorrow cannot be held off by any one or anything. Mankind was made to adapt, his limbs are not fixed in place to the earth, nor is his mind fixed to any particular frame of time., he must live each day that he lives, as the day that he is living. It's to his greater benefit to learn from the past, that he may live better in the day that he lives, and he may make thoughts, plans and works to improve for tomorrow... whether he is here to see it or not. But he cannot recreate the past.

 

[mike2810]

What license/certification would be appropriate? What do they have?

You're going to have to read my posts to understand that.

since we are discussing CyFir and Cyber Ninjas conducting an election audit, what type of license/certification do you think they should have? A plumber license? Or just maybe a license / certification from the EAC. (https://www.eac.gov/).

EAC EAC also accredits testing labs, certifies voting systems and audits.

CyFir and Cyber Ninjas have no EAC certification, but you knew that , right?

 

[TimPatriot]

Your belief that Trump really won is no different than those who believe that 9/11 really didn't happen. You proceed from the standpoint that what you believe is so and then bend-over-backwards accepting every hair-brained theory that confirms your bias.

Let us also realize that Russia is pushing the claim that Trump won. If we had patriots like you in the 1940s, we'd all be speaking German.

I noticed you do not address the information (Dr. Franks data) I refer to in my post just move right into an ad hom. This is why your narrative is crumbling - you cannot have a reasonable discussion about the issue but resort to mocking condescension and character assassination.

 

[TimPatriot]

lol

Yet his paper on algorithm is not supported by the examination of the equipment, hand counts, and other physical evidence.

Nobody has seriously addressed his data. Some have dismissed it because he used census data that was available at the time - just like those who rigged the elections. But nobody has shown how he was able to correlate hundreds of counties of actual results to an algorithm with unnatural consistency.

 

[TimPatriot]

We know there was no fraud. Every single investigation to date, mostly done by republicans, has shown you this.

Which investigation do you think was the most credible?

Yes, Republicans have been part of the 'most secure election ever' mantra. As we are seeing in GA, they will also be back tracking as that narrative falls apart. Chain of custody information is missing in GA, more than enough to call into question the results there (which includes 2 senate seats - very serious).

The media pushing the 'no fraud' mantra and their colleagues in big tech censoring any counter views have played this game before. We spent 2+ years investigating Trump's supposed collusion with Russia to throw the election in 2016. That was a lie and it is sad that you have been fooled once again by those same entities. How many times are you going to believe their lies?

 

[rahl]

Which investigation do you think was the most credible?

All of them. From trumps head of DHS, trumps attorney general, the fbi, all 50 state election commissions, al 50 state Secretaries of State, 63 straight court cases with over 80 judges, many republicans appointed and numerous TRUMP appointed.

claiming there was election fraud when every single investigation shows there was no fraud makes you a complete moron.

 

[mike2810]

Nobody has seriously addressed his data. Some have dismissed it because he used census data that was available at the time - just like those who rigged the elections. But nobody has shown how he was able to correlate hundreds of counties of actual results to an algorithm with unnatural consistency.

Are you saying the election was rigged?
I have seen no evidence of a "rigged" election. I have heard Trump say that is the only way he would loose. That does not prove anything other than Trump made the statement.

He also did not take into account the shift in demographics in Arizona. It seems more Democrats are moving in to the State. So comparing how voting went in the past is a poor indicator of how will be in the future.

 

[TimPatriot]

All of them. From trumps head of DHS, trumps attorney general, the fbi, all 50 state election commissions, al 50 state Secretaries of State, 63 straight court cases with over 80 judges, many republicans appointed and numerous TRUMP appointed.

claiming there was election fraud when every single investigation shows there was no fraud makes you a complete moron.

Nice ad hom. What is with the Trump haters who cannot contain themselves and have to insult anyone who disagrees with them? The irony is you probably hate it when Trump attacks people.

Let's take Maricopa AZ since that is where a real audit is finally taking place. You do know that the 2 'audits' previously done did not look at a single ballot?

If you really dig, you will see that there wasn't much to any of these so called 'audits'. If there were, they should have known that the chain of custody in GA, for example, was missing. Oh wait, Raffensperger actually did get a report in November about that but didn't bother to do anything about it (until now).

Thousands of affidavits have been filed and what has the corrupt justice system done? You know, the one that allowed the Obama Administration to spy on the Trump campaign based on a fraudulent dossier paid for by his opponent's campaign? Looked the other way.

The court cases? Do you know how many actually looked at any evidence but just dismissed the case for standing or laches?

Wallow in the ignorant narrative your media has crafted for you. Continue to believe them when they have lied about Trump over and over again.

Trump won. He was far ahead on Nov 3rd when counting in several key states was shut down and then suddenly massive Biden vote dumps overnight and voila! The man who couldn't get 100 people to a rally some how got more votes than Obama in 2008.

 

[TimPatriot]

Are you saying the election was rigged?
I have seen no evidence of a "rigged" election. I have heard Trump say that is the only way he would loose. That does not prove anything other than Trump made the statement.

He also did not take into account the shift in demographics in Arizona. It seems more Democrats are moving in to the State. So comparing how voting went in the past is a poor indicator of how will be in the future.

This shows you have no idea what Frank actually said. I find that a consistent trait of those who are so vocal about there being no election fraud - absolute denial of any evidence to the contrary.

 

[rahl]

Nice ad hom. What is with the Trump haters who cannot contain themselves and have to insult anyone who disagrees with them?

It’s not disagreement. It’s batshit crazy stupidity that led to the seditious events of 1/6

The irony is you probably hate it when Trump attacks people.
It’s humerous

Let's take Maricopa AZ since that is where a real audit is finally taking place.

2 real audits already confirmed no fraud. Cyber ninjas is not conducting a real audit.

You do know that the 2 'audits' previously done did not look at a single ballot?

You are aware

If you really dig, you will see that there wasn't much to any of these so called 'audits'. If there were, they should have known that the chain of custody in GA, for example, was missing.

No it wasn’t.

Oh wait, Raffensperger actually did get a report in November about that but didn't bother to do anything about it (until now).

There was no break in chain of custody

Thousands of affidavits have been filed and what has the corrupt justice system done?

Correctly laughed them out of every single court they were presented to. You realize most of them were Republican judges rifht

You know, the one that allowed the Obama Administration to spy on the Trump campaign based on a fraudulent dossier paid for by his opponent's campaign? Looked the other way.

what is it with you and batshit crazy conspiracy theories?

The court cases? Do you know how many actually looked at any evidence but just dismissed the case for standing or laches?

Yes, several

Wallow in the ignorant narrative your media has crafted for you. Continue to believe them when they have lied about Trump over and over again.

when did they lie about trump?

Trump won.

Is a retarded statement, on par with Obama was born in Kenya, 9/11 was an inside job and Elvis is still alive. And also demonstrably false.

He was far ahead on Nov 3rd when counting in several key states was shut down and then suddenly massive Biden vote dumps overnight and voila!

Is a retarded statement, on par with Obama was born in Kenya, 9/11 was an inside job and Elvis is still alive. And also demonstrably false.

The man who couldn't get 100 people to a rally some how got more votes than Obama in 2008.

Yep. the American people hate trump that much.

 

[Brack]

Nice ad hom. What is with the Trump haters who cannot contain themselves and have to insult anyone who disagrees with them? The irony is you probably hate it when Trump attacks people.

Let's take Maricopa AZ since that is where a real audit is finally taking place. You do know that the 2 'audits' previously done did not look at a single ballot?

If you really dig, you will see that there wasn't much to any of these so called 'audits'. If there were, they should have known that the chain of custody in GA, for example, was missing. Oh wait, Raffensperger actually did get a report in November about that but didn't bother to do anything about it (until now).

Thousands of affidavits have been filed and what has the corrupt justice system done? You know, the one that allowed the Obama Administration to spy on the Trump campaign based on a fraudulent dossier paid for by his opponent's campaign? Looked the other way.

The court cases? Do you know how many actually looked at any evidence but just dismissed the case for standing or laches?

Wallow in the ignorant narrative your media has crafted for you. Continue to believe them when they have lied about Trump over and over again.

Trump won. He was far ahead on Nov 3rd when counting in several key states was shut down and then suddenly massive Biden vote dumps overnight and voila! The man who couldn't get 100 people to a rally some how got more votes than Obama in 2008.

Crowd size during a pandemic is not a good indicator of election turnout and analysis. Before the 2020 Presidential election, Conservatives argued that the Electoral College makes it very difficult to steal a Presidential election. Trump clearly lost the 2020 Presidential election.

I am a registered voter within Maricopa County. I know that this county had a fair election in 2020, and that this current 'audit' has been completely unnecessary. The Republicans won five of the six countywide seats within this county. The one Democrat who won countywide (Sheriff Penzone) received about 55,000 more votes than President Biden within this county. Dem Senator Kelly received 23,622 more votes than President Biden within this county.

 

[Brack]

This shows you have no idea what Frank actually said. I find that a consistent trait of those who are so vocal about there being no election fraud - absolute denial of any evidence to the contrary.

Douglas Frank has already been refuted. Link
The 2020 Presidential election in Michigan wasn't even that close. President Biden won Michigan by 2.78%. In 2016, Michigan was much closer when Trump won Michigan by 0.23%.

 

[TimPatriot]

It’s not disagreement. It’s batshit crazy stupidity that led to the seditious events of 1/6

The irony is you probably hate it when Trump attacks people.
It’s humerous

2 real audits already confirmed no fraud. Cyber ninjas is not conducting a real audit.

You are aware



No it wasn’t.

There was no break in chain of custody



Correctly laughed them out of every single court they were presented to. You realize most of them were Republican judges rifht


what is it with you and batshit crazy conspiracy theories?


Yes, several

when did they lie about trump?


Is a retarded statement, on par with Obama was born in Kenya, 9/11 was an inside job and Elvis is still alive. And also demonstrably false.


Is a retarded statement, on par with Obama was born in Kenya, 9/11 was an inside job and Elvis is still alive. And also demonstrably false.

Yep. the American people hate trump that much.

Trump won. Have a good cry as this becomes reality.

 

[TimPatriot]

Douglas Frank has already been refuted. Link
The 2020 Presidential election in Michigan wasn't even that close. President Biden won Michigan by 2.78%. In 2016, Michigan was much closer when Trump won Michigan by 0.23%.

Once again, you keep referring to meaningless statistics, comparing 2016 to 2020. Trump got 10m+ more votes in 2020 - that throws out any comparative analysis.

As to Politifacts 'debunking' of Dr. Frank, you are going to rely on an organization that makes a biased statement such as:

"A resident’s lawsuit against the county, filed in late November, helped fuel a debunked conspiracy theory"

Why the use of dismissive labels if they are supposedly an objective 'fact checker'? Pathetic.

They then go on to nitpick that Frank used extrapolated voting data - they neglect to mention that even the government uses the same extrapolated data because they only do a census every 10 years. As well, if you were familiar with Frank's work, you would know that this extrapolated data is evident in his analysis, showing the people that rigged the voting were using the same data.

While they acknowledge the correlation he reveals, they suggest that late registrations COULD explain the discrepancy, which actually means they admit there is a problem.

They falsely claim repeatedly that there is no evidence of fraud, completely ignoring the thousands of affidavits.

Lastly, they say "Frank offers no evidence for his claim other than a statistical correlation to this key, whose derivation he doesn’t explain." So which is it, he offers no evidence then they acknowledge the statistical correlation. They say he doesn't explain the derivation and yet Frank has cited a group in Washington that has repeated his work. It is not the time nor place to provide these details but instead of acknowledging there is vital information that they don't yet have in order to truly evaluate his claim, they go ahead and give it a 'pants on fire' rating.

You shouldn't let such a shoddy organization do your thinking for you.

 

[mike2810]

This shows you have no idea what Frank actually said. I find that a consistent trait of those who are so vocal about there being no election fraud - absolute denial of any evidence to the contrary.

sigh.
You would loose that bet.
What I find is those who support the "rigged or stolen" election fail to answer questions.

Let's see how up you are on Dr. Frank.
Dr. Frank believes a computer program inserted into the election machines casts a “phantom ballot” on behalf of a real registered voter who didn’t actually vote.
Yet, he provides no evidence that such a program was inserted.

If believing in something makes it true. Then Richard Gage of AE911T is correct that the towers were taken down by controlled demolition on 9/11. Prager is correct because he believes the towers were destroyed by mini neutron bombs. Dr. Wood believes the towers were destroyed by an energy beam weapon. Funny how they all have different beliefs of the destruction of the Towers on 9/11. How can they all be true.

Here is a paper that says Dr. Frank is wrong

Dr. Frank's Analysis Is Wrong

Dr. Douglas Frank claims he's uncovered statistical proof of voter fraud. But every one of the underlying data points he presents is wrong.

www.constellationpolitical.com

-. Frank believes 51,613 ballots were cast in Broomfield County in 2020. There’s just one problem — he’s the only one that thinks that! Both the Secretary of State and the Broomfield Clerk report that 47,103 ballots

-And again with Bent County. Dr. Frank claims 2,815 ballots were cast when in reality it was 2,295. This is a 22% error not just in his estimate, but in the data he’s basing his analysis on.

One could go on but Dr. Frank has some people fooled. Those that actually look into the issue are not fooled.
- Dr. Frank has never revealed his formulas
- Examination of equipment does not support the belief a program was inserted.
- Dr. Frank misrepresents data he is using.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Trump won. He was far ahead on Nov 3rd when counting in several key states was shut down and then suddenly massive Biden vote dumps overnight and voila! The man who couldn't get 100 people to a rally some how got more votes than Obama in 2008.

Last train to crazytown! Woo woo!

 

[j-mac]

I say... The Future of Digital ID For Voting ... is already in development and in practice... it will fix the old system, and in doing so, it will resolve the manipulative intentions of people.


Technology will bring an end to the madness of gerrymandering, voter repression, voter suppression ... and bring a system where people will have their own personal Digital ID, and anyone can vote from anywhere using secure portals on their devices. It won't matter if people live in a tent, they will be able to vote based on their Digital ID.

Let me say first off, thank you for your detailed post to me...It is very informational, and I appreciate it....But, there is NO WAY at this point that internet based voting will fly with anyone...

Just Like Blockchain is used today to deal with what people value most which is "currency based"... then it that can be secure for the voting, and that will go directly through a "government controlled server".... that validates the ID and the vote cast, which can handle any political campaign Federal, State and Local... for any State and Territory. The record can't be altered, because its encoded into the chain and everyone can see the record but not the identity of the individual,.

While interesting, this seems like it would be decades off in actual terms of widespread use..The internet would have to become unhackable...And I don't see that any time soon...

A basic principle of Democracy is Equality of Person as Individual, and that has a principle of "One Person, One Vote' that serves to support a Republic Form of Representative Government.

Young people since the mid 1980's have been growing up in a "digital technological society"... so its only a progression in the process that they will use that technology to secure the right and freedoms to vote for "Every American of Voting Age,
it won't matter with people trying to stop College and University Young People from Voting, because their Voter ID will be linked to the Jurisdiction and that is the Jurisdiction their vote will be associated and counted. If they choose to change residency while they are in College or University, they can do so in their Voter ID profile.

Like I say, good luck with that....Hell man, you still have people that won't use ATMs because they don't trust them...We just saw a hack on our energy system, that caused havoc for the east coast, and you expect people to believe that the Government can protect the vote through internet based ID, and voting?

 

[j-mac]

Already society has seen the issues with Social Media and Politics, and eventually there will be no Political Advertisement on Social Media, one will go to a Candidate's web page for information related to that Candidate. This will usher in "Federal, State and Local Public Campaign Financing"... and people will have to meet a criteria to be eligible to be authorized those funds. I would think, one criterion will be "required x yrs of non profit public service work" in some capacity.

Oh ok, so you're changing the requirements for people to run for office? That would require a change to the Constitution...Also not gonna happen...

Many people are so into the party gamesmanship of today, they can't think in futurist terms of what is evolving in society with regards to technology. This is as it should be, because Democracy was never a design for an uneducated mind, the framers knew that when they established a government that developed to create, support and promote public education, because it knew there would be no growth and progress with an uneducated society.

The only thing an uneducated society is suitable for is to be controlled by "Autocratic Tyranny", because they don't possess the faculties of what education can infuse within them, so they need to be told and controlled by a dictator.

Intellect via education provides a society who can and does understand regulatory governance, they understand regulatory governing is done by an elected body of publicly elected representatives of the people, this means the "Voice of the People" choose knowledgeable people to represent them. Those knowledgeable people create the Departments, Divisions, Agencies and Organizations which facilitate the Regulatory Processes.

You sound like you want to remake the Constitution of this country to the point where only those in government already, or those in acedemia are allowed to govern, or vote...So, explain how that is not its own form of tyranny?

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Nice ad hom. What is with the Trump haters who cannot contain themselves and have to insult anyone who disagrees with them? The irony is you probably hate it when Trump attacks people.

Let's take Maricopa AZ since that is where a real audit is finally taking place. You do know that the 2 'audits' previously done did not look at a single ballot?

If you really dig, you will see that there wasn't much to any of these so called 'audits'. If there were, they should have known that the chain of custody in GA, for example, was missing. Oh wait, Raffensperger actually did get a report in November about that but didn't bother to do anything about it (until now).

Thousands of affidavits have been filed and what has the corrupt justice system done? You know, the one that allowed the Obama Administration to spy on the Trump campaign based on a fraudulent dossier paid for by his opponent's campaign? Looked the other way.

The court cases? Do you know how many actually looked at any evidence but just dismissed the case for standing or laches?

Wallow in the ignorant narrative your media has crafted for you. Continue to believe them when they have lied about Trump over and over again.

Trump won. He was far ahead on Nov 3rd when counting in several key states was shut down and then suddenly massive Biden vote dumps overnight and voila! The man who couldn't get 100 people to a rally some how got more votes than Obama in 2008.

Yep

The election was stolen and the Trump supporters are such snowflakes have done nothing to bring the real president back to power. A bunch of feckless internet tough guys who can't do anything when it really matters

 

[MTAtech]

Nice ad hom. What is with the Trump haters who cannot contain themselves and have to insult anyone who disagrees with them? The irony is you probably hate it when Trump attacks people.

Let's take Maricopa AZ since that is where a real audit is finally taking place. You do know that the 2 'audits' previously done did not look at a single ballot?

If you really dig, you will see that there wasn't much to any of these so called 'audits'. If there were, they should have known that the chain of custody in GA, for example, was missing. Oh wait, Raffensperger actually did get a report in November about that but didn't bother to do anything about it (until now).

Thousands of affidavits have been filed and what has the corrupt justice system done? You know, the one that allowed the Obama Administration to spy on the Trump campaign based on a fraudulent dossier paid for by his opponent's campaign? Looked the other way.

The court cases? Do you know how many actually looked at any evidence but just dismissed the case for standing or laches?

Wallow in the ignorant narrative your media has crafted for you. Continue to believe them when they have lied about Trump over and over again.

Trump won. He was far ahead on Nov 3rd when counting in several key states was shut down and then suddenly massive Biden vote dumps overnight and voila! The man who couldn't get 100 people to a rally some how got more votes than Obama in 2008.

I could not write a fiction that would be a better example of an unhinged post.

• The fraud-it in Maricopa County, conducted by a biased group that never audited ballots before is the "real audit" instead of official ones done by unbiased professionals -- really? The Arizona review is emblematic of a broader effort by pro-Trump Republicans to undermine faith in American democracy and shift control of elections to partisans who share their agenda.
• Without citation, you claim the 2 'audits' previously done did not look at a single ballot.
• What you are referring to regarding Raffensperger in GA, is that some transfer documents (not ballots) are missing. These would not effect the results of the election in any case. So, lock everyone up and throw away the key.
• Your "thousands of affidavits" were tossed out of federal court when Rudy Giuliani admitted a number of them were not true. The balance of them he said, "I don't know that they are not true." Sorry, that's not credible evidence and were rightly unvalidated.
• "The court cases? Do you know how many actually looked at any evidence but just dismissed the case for standing or laches?" In more than 60 cases, judges “looked at the allegations that Trump was making and determined they were without any merit.”

Please jump up and down and insist that Trump won.

 

[Carjosse]

I am waiting for the announcement that Trump actually won with 99.99% of the vote.

 

[j-mac]

Young people today already don't care to fight the type fights of the past in the social and civic environment, they look and they see the havoc and savagery that has caused much chaos and divisiveness. It simply is not in the nature of their future to repeat that.

Over the past 40 yrs they have been living in the age of advanced access to information, they understand how to research it, how to develop knowledge they can apply from what they have learned, and they have the advanced access to technology that can learn.
They don't give up the human element, they simply don't waste time with things that can be cause of divisiveness, they can let the technology work with keeping the grass trimmed, while they work on things that advance society and improve the lives of human beings.

This craziness where Republican think they can create a form of Apartheid, based "The Poor" segregated from "The Wealthy"... where the wealthy control the political and they think it will be white dominated by the segment of republicanism,..... But THE PEOPLE can already see through their attempts at such a construct, and it will not be created in America to usurp American Democracy.

The Entire World has changed, and even more so since COVID... The U.S. Cannot stop China, from continuing its building of cooperative agreements, and America can't continue trying to push and promote imperialistic plutocracy and pretend its Democracy. Democracy will have to be Democracy and that means "Cooperative Principles', therefore we will have to develop Cooperative Agreements with Other Nations... not seek to promote imperialistic dominance.

Blockchain has already been under review by Major Banking System, banking already has a means to track transaction, but with block chain, they can do so in ways to detect fraud, money laundering and any attempts at counterfeiting. Whatever is recorded is there to stay,

Societies have always pursued more improved ways to deal with Greed, Corruption, and the tools people use to engage those things. It has long developed means and methods to track individual earning, and how and where people came to have the money they have. Currency can still be utilized, but it is also able to be traced in and through transaction, by a simple "scanner", which can record when it changes hands. If its not assigned to one, they won't be able to use it. Illicit activity can be detected by many means, so when illicit things are produced and to be sold, it it does not have a tracking number, it will become a problem for the person who receives the currency that is not verifiably exchanged.

So... it won't be as difficult as people think, to implement Digital ID... The governing system is learning a lot by many means as to how to deploy quickly new things.

Just like people don't have an option not to have a social security number if they want to work a legitimate job, they will have to be assigned a digital ID, that can be used for many things, and many things can't be done without it.

Ok, from what I see in your post here, and I don't mean to be short, but this rings of straight up communism....Where you build differing classes, sorted by not only wealth, and political pull, but acedemic pursuit as well...And what is corrosive is the way you speak of those in this country that are either in the trades with HS educations, or on the farms who may or may not have advanced degrees to run their farms...This will never be accepted in this country...

 

[j-mac]

I am waiting for the announcement that Trump actually won with 99.99% of the vote.

Not going to happen...I know that the media is stirring up most of this to keep the public attention on Trump, and not on who it should be on, which is Biden, and what he is doing, but to throw something like this out there is just plain dumb....Biden, is President, and will be until 2024, bar some sort of health issue that knocks him out of office...Should that happen the cackling idiot will become President, and Democrats will have sealed their fate as a marginalized party of their own overplayed hand.

 

[rahl]

Trump won.

Is a retarded statement, on par with Obama was born in Kenya, 9/11 was an inside job and Elvis is still alive. And also demonstrably false.

Have a good cry as this becomes reality.

What’s even scarier than your batshit crazy and demonstrably false conspiracy theories, is that you think there is a constitutional provision that would tell state trump lol.

 

[RealityNow]

Let me say first off, thank you for your detailed post to me...It is very informational, and I appreciate it....But, there is NO WAY at this point that internet based voting will fly with anyone...


While interesting, this seems like it would be decades off in actual terms of widespread use..The internet would have to become unhackable...And I don't see that any time soon...



Like I say, good luck with that....Hell man, you still have people that won't use ATMs because they don't trust them...We just saw a hack on our energy system, that caused havoc for the east coast, and you expect people to believe that the Government can protect the vote through internet based ID, and voting?

On the points, this is why I speak of the younger generation, who have grown up with technology.

I was in the store the other day, and watched a women with a young kid, I think maybe the woman was his grandmother, and the kid had a tablet. As we stood there I noticed how the kid focused on it, and easily they navigated what ever they were doing, while at the same time, being aware of what his grandmother was saying to him, he seemed to handle her responses well, while at the same time navigating his tablet.

When my mother was in her 70's I gave her a computer, and I was also working of making a website, I'd discuss it with here, not only did she grasp it quickly, some of her thoughts and ideas of what I should consider and things I need to consider in building it, were right on point.

At the same time, I've seen and still see people who write paper checks. Heck, I liked the idea of getting my check from work as a paper check, we long had the option for auto deposit. Well they said they were changing the system to "everyone would have auto deposit". I signed up. I find I like it. its not much different in the way I handled my paper check, because I generally waited to go to the bank often time at week or more after being paid to cash it, now it gets to the bank, and I don't have to do anything. Other than if I want cash, just withdraw the amount I want.

I watched people struggle with the computer in the late 80's and 90's, and even spent time training many. People had many fears about what a computer is. Some grasp it quickly and some found it more difficult.

I see many people who put their banking and card info into their phones, I don't do it, even as phones are quite secure in managing this the payment process.
I do however also buy a Pre-Paid card, that I use on the Internet and at smaller merchants. I don't use my bank debit card which is tied to the account I pay my bills, at just any places. I pretty much limit where I use it.
I also don't use my debt or other cards at "vending machines".

So, I know that the transition will happen, agree with you that it is not going to happen right away.

If we note, when Obama administration pushed the "digitized medical records".... it works, but not all medical profession have access to them, when its held in different organizations. It works well with the VA, but I also have a separate insurance with a doctor one of the medical networks, theirs work well in their network. So, there is a lot more needed to happen before they can be universally accessible regardless of what doctor one visits.

We have lots of work to do, Internet Protocol version 6 (IPv6) is the next generation of the IP standard. While IPv4 and IPv6 will co-exist for some time, IPv6 is intended to supplement and eventually replace IPv4. For us to move forward and continue adding new devices and services to the Internet, we must deploy IPv6. It was designed with the needs of a global commercial Internet in mind, and deploying it is the only way we can continue forward with an open and innovative Internet.