Argentina's 'Dirty War', is the U.S. on the path to a 'dirty war'?

[Tigerace117]

Why can't you simply just say that the average American had no idea that Argentina was killing US citizens and that the information wasn't readily available? It's the truth.

Why can’t you simply admit the only way to miss the thousands upon thousands of murders the US was happening carry out is if you were purposefully ignoring them? We’ve already established both government and industrial leaders in the US were actively complicit, after all.

But you are far more interested in frantically trying to defend the US than in the truth, as always.

 

[Questerr]

Why can’t you simply admit the only way to miss the thousands upon thousands of murders the US was happening carry out is if you were purposefully ignoring them? We’ve already established both government and industrial leaders in the US were actively complicit, after all.

But you are far more interested in frantically trying to defend the US than in the truth, as always.

And there you go moving the goalposts again. Why can't you just answer the question you are asked? Does your hatred of America run so deep you can't even speak the truth if it doesn't make America look like the most evil nation in the world?

 

[venice_ca]

Missing, the 1982 film by Costa Gavras, brought to public attention the death of Charles Hornan, the American journalist killed in Pinochet’s coup.

There was widespread coverage of the deaths of U.S. churchwomen in El Salvador by death squads.

I cannot recall any mention of U.S. citizens being killed by Argentina’s junta. Not saying it didn’t happen, but I am unaware of any accusations.

 

[Tigerace117]

And there you go moving the goalposts again. Why can't you just answer the question you are asked? Does your hatred of America run so deep you can't even speak the truth if it doesn't make America look like the most evil nation in the world?

Nope, there I go addressing the actual statements I made, instead of the irrelevant straw you are so desperately grasping at.

Explain, in detail, why anyone should believe the US’ actions in Argentina aiding in the mass murder campaign were anything other than objectively wrong.

 

[Questerr]

Nope, there I go addressing the actual statements I made, instead of the irrelevant straw you are so desperately grasping at.

Explain, in detail, why anyone should believe the US’ actions in Argentina aiding in the mass murder campaign were anything other than objectively wrong.

Have I made the claim that they shouldn't?

Are you withdrawing your claim that the average America could readily find that Argentina was killing American citizens?

 

[Tigerace117]

Have I made the claim that they shouldn't?

Are you withdrawing your claim that the average America could readily find that Argentina was killing American citizens?

You complained about America being “made to look like the most evil country ever”. Why should anyone not see America’s actions as objectively awful?

 

[Questerr]

You complained about America being “made to look like the most evil country ever”. Why should anyone not see America’s actions as objectively awful?

Is it evil when the US provides medical and food aid to the Palestinians?

 

[Tigerace117]

Is it evil when the US provides medical and food aid to the Palestinians?

The US is the single nation doing the most— out of any in the world— to help Israel mass murder them. The American president has openly called for their ethnic cleansing.

 

[Questerr]

The US is the single nation doing the most— out of any in the world— to help Israel mass murder them. The American president has openly called for their ethnic cleansing.

Changing the goalposts again. That wasn't the question I asked.

 

[Tigerace117]

Changing the goalposts again. That wasn't the question I asked.

Pretending to give people hope with one hand, only to turn around and advocate for their abuse and murder on the other, is a pretty shittty thing for a country, especially one that claims to be the “protector of freedom” or whatever, to do, dude.

 

[Questerr]

Pretending to give people hope with one hand, only to turn around and advocate for their abuse and murder on the other, is a pretty shittty thing for a country, especially one that claims to be the “protector of freedom” or whatever, to do, dude.

So it is evil when the US provides aid to groups around the world?

 

[Tigerace117]

So it is evil when the US provides aid to groups around the world?

“Providing aid” only to then turning around and actively doing everything it can to help murder the people it gave “aid” to is objectively bad, yes. It makes the proving of said aid meaningless.

 

[Questerr]

“Providing aid” only to then turning around and actively doing everything it can to help murder the people it gave “aid” to is objectively bad, yes. It makes the proving of said aid meaningless.

Is America objectively bad when we provide aid to other groups?

 

[HumblePi]

More wailing about my supposed “hatred for America” because, unlike you, I’m not willing to defend its bad behavior across the globe.

HumblePi didn’t only refer to the murders of Americans by the junta when they claimed Americans were unaware, so it’s fascinating you’ve discarded the rest of the victims in your desperate attempts to defend the US government’s actions.

Trump supports the way that Netanyahu is conducting his war against Hamas and also the people of Palestine. Do you agree with that?

 

[Tigerace117]

Trump supports the way that Netanyahu is conducting his war against Hamas and also the people of Palestine. Do you agree with that?

American support for Israel’s mass murder campaign has been bipartisan. That’s a big part of the problem.

 

[Tigerace117]

Is America objectively bad when we provide aid to other groups?

Sending people “aid” is meaningless when you immediately try and help kill those people.

 

[Questerr]

Sending people “aid” is meaningless when you immediately try and help kill those people.

When the US sends aid to groups is isn’t trying to help kill, is it “objectively bad”?

 

[Tigerace117]

When the US sends aid to groups is isn’t trying to help kill, is it “objectively bad”?

You specifically brought up a case where the US send aid to a group it is trying to help kill.

 

[Questerr]

You specifically brought up a case where the US send aid to a group it is trying to help kill.

And now I’m asking a more broad question after you answered that one.

When the US sends aid to groups is isn’t trying to help kill, is it “objectively bad”?

 

[Tigerace117]

And now I’m asking a more broad question after you answered that one.

When the US sends aid to groups is isn’t trying to help kill, is it “objectively bad”?

Depends on what “aid” you are talking about.

 

[Questerr]

Depends on what “aid” you are talking about.

Foods and medicine.

 

[sanman]

The Dirty War is the name used by the military junta or civic-military dictatorship of Argentina for its period of state terrorism in Argentina from 1974 to 1983. Juan Peron came out of exile and was elected President of Argentina in 1973. The period of state terrorism, known as the Dirty War, began around 1974.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_War
The Dirty War (Spanish: Guerra sucia) is the name used by the military junta or civic-military dictatorship of Argentina (Spanish: dictadura cívico-militar de Argentina) for its period of state terrorism in Argentina from 1974 to 1983. During this campaign, military and security forces and death squads in the form of the Argentine Anticommunist Alliance (AAA, or Triple A hunted down any political dissidents and anyone believed to be associated with socialism, left-wing Peronism, or the Montoneros movement.

Mike Wallace did a story on the 'Dirty War' and the 'disappeared' which explained this horrible period of military dictatorship in Argentina.

For years, the 'Mothers of the Plaza de Mayo' marched weekly holding photos of their missing children. "It was the only way we had." For years, the military was simply abducting anyone they thought was too liberal or political opposition. They piled them into helicopters and tossed them alive into the ocean. Some were dumped into mass graves with their heads cut off, or teeth missing, they were tortured before being killed.

The singing group ABBA had a hit recording called 'Chiquitita'. I loved the song then and still do today, but I discovered a version of ABBA's song Chiquitita song entirely in Spanish. However, the Spanish version was only released in Argentina, and I assume it was to comfort the mothers of the 'disappeared'. Singers, Agnetha Fältskog and Anni-Frid Lyngstad, hired a tutor in order to learn the Spanish and to pronounce it properly.

For me, the story of the Dirty War in Argentina, is a warning to any democratic nation who believes their rights and their democracy are indestructible and infallible. Right now, we in the US really are a step or two away from martial law. In 2020, after losing the election, Michael Flynn publicly pushed for martial law along with other actions like suspending the Constitution, silencing the press, and holding a new election under military authority.

How far off are we from martial law? We might come to that if ICE starts rounding up and deporting U.S. citizens. Donald Trump has publicly suggested exploring the possibility of deporting US citizens who have committed certain crimes, referring to them as "homegrowns" or "homegrown monsters,". Specifically, he suggested sending them to prison in El Salvador.

I agree with your 'Dirty War' hypothesis - but it's the Globalist Left who are waging that Dirty War against the 'natives' (ie. Americans whom you'd describe as nativists).
Jully13-Butler-PA was not some mere crazy teenager, but a patsy recruited to murder a political enemy who posed a dire threat to Globalists and their grip on power.
That's why it's very important that the FBI do their job, applying their formidable resources toward finding the real culprits behind July 13.

Likewise, despite catching the perpetrators of the Crocus City attack in Moscow, the originators of the attack were not caught.

I believe that the same set of plotters were behind both Crocus City and also Butler-PA. That's my hunch.
As the Romans used to say - 'Cui Bono?' - 'Who Profits?'

 

[HumblePi]

I agree with your 'Dirty War' hypothesis - but it's the Globalist Left who are waging that Dirty War against the 'natives' (ie. Americans whom you'd describe as nativists).
Jully13-Butler-PA was not some mere crazy teenager, but a patsy recruited to murder a political enemy who posed a dire threat to Globalists and their grip on power.
That's why it's very important that the FBI do their job, applying their formidable resources toward finding the real culprits behind July 13.

Likewise, despite catching the perpetrators of the Crocus City attack in Moscow, the originators of the attack were not caught.

I believe that the same set of plotters were behind both Crocus City and also Butler-PA. That's my hunch.
As the Romans used to say - 'Cui Bono?' - 'Who Profits?'

What do you suppose will happen if, one day, anti-Trump protests become more and more violent? What I believe is this; I believe that Donald Trump will call up the National Guard to quell any protests and imprison hundreds (if not more) of American citizens across the country because they were exercising their 1st Amendment right to protest. This is the point at which we become a militarized 'state', identical to the military-controlled dictatorship of Venezuela in 1976.

 

[sanman]

What do you suppose will happen if, one day, anti-Trump protests become more and more violent? What I believe is this; I believe that Donald Trump will call up the National Guard to quell any protests and imprison hundreds (if not more) of American citizens across the country because they were exercising their 1st Amendment right to protest. This is the point at which we become a militarized 'state', identical to the military-controlled dictatorship of Venezuela in 1976.

We saw the Biden govt deploy national guard forces in DC following Jan 6, after not even one police car was burned (some glass war broken, and people entered the Capital building) - far short of the summer of rioting in 2019 that preceded Jan 6, and which Dems turned a blind eye to.

When your own side does these things, then you likewise turn a blind eye and excuse it. That doesn't give you a lot of credibility pointing your accusing finger at the other side.

The Left don't believe in the 1st Amendment - they've punched all kinds of holes into it, creating all sorts of exceptions which they've politically weaponized.