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Are You Tired of the Separation of Church and State?

HikerGuy83 said:
I have read Jefferson.

The first amendment says... Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.....

What part of that am I missing.

History shows that several states had state sponsored religions well into the early 1800's and they were NEVER challenged.

The states got smart and wrote them out of their state Constitutions....but nothing was ever said about the fact they existed.
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Interesting

I don't doubt what you say, i was unaware. I shall research.

This shall be my self taught history lesson of the day. 👍
 
HikerGuy83 said:
As a hetero man, I have to apologize to you for the stupidity of some of those in the human race.

What I truly believe is that people of faith see their (my) most treasured institution, marriage, being destroyed..... not by gays or trans or anyone else.....

But by those who get married and are divorcing at a rate of over 50%.

If that wasn't happening, I am not sure that gay marriage or gayness would be that big a deal.
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As a divorced man myself, marriage the certificate is not necessary for future relationships. Though my current 22yo hottie would very much like.
 
yankintx said:
As a divorced man myself, marriage the certificate is not necessary for future rekatiinshipd. Though my current 22yo hottie would very much like.
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While specific situations warrent specific consideration (If it were any of our business), marriage has whole, serves society.

It certainly isn't perfect, but has a purpose.

I don't even know what the studies say anymore since you'll always find a counter study that shows the subject itself has become political.
 
HikerGuy83 said:
While specific situations warrent specific consideration (If it were any of our business), marriage has whole, serves society.

It certainly isn't perfect, but has a purpose.

I don't even know what the studies say anymore since you'll always find a counter study that shows the subject itself has become political.
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I am unsure on divorce rates, I should think the rate is similiar for straight and gay unions. Gay couples face the same challenges as most straight couples, without the children lol

My reason for not marrying again, it's just too damn expensive to divorce again 😂😂
 
HikerGuy83 said:
Can't help that you think you can post your opinion as fact.

Let me know when you want to discuss what is real.
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I can...

I wanna know:

I am rather postng , my opinion.

Why do you think it is cool for the gop to say if you had INEFFECTIVE COUNSEL" you had NO right to a new trial?


Do you support the loons on the sc?
 
yankintx said:
I am unsure on divorce rates, I should think the rate is similiar for straight and gay unions. Gay couples face the same challenges as most straight couples, without the children lol

My reason for not marrying again, it's just too damn expensive to divorce again 😂😂
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That it is.
 
HikerGuy83 said:
There is no separation of church and state in the constitution.

Except for the first amendment which simply states congress can't limit the establishment of religion.
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What do you think the Establishment Clause means or is based on? Absolutely there is a separation of church and state, as the FF intended and as the SCOTUS affirmed, and as it should be.
 
The separation of church and state is one of, if not the best idea the Founding Father's, came up with. Why would anyone want to allow the government to intrude in religious affairs or want religion to intrude in the government? Unless one wants a theocracy. And we've seen how those types of governments or societies have been.
 
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HikerGuy83 said:
Absolutely not.

Religion (or theology) is the repository and vehicle for most of our moral teachings.

I'd love to see atheist kids have the chance to be someplace where they can mediate or play games while others do what they want to do.
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Religion, unfortunately, is in the business of selling an afterlife. As compensation for submission to their betters in this life.

Which means it is necessary to destroy anything outside the church that makes life good. Hard to sell a life of privation in the name of god if life itself is good.

So they turn their followers against all temporal joy and make it illegal to experience those things. So their followers aren’t tempted seeing all those people enjoying life.

All the children of jahweh do this. For the same reasons: power and control.

I find it amusing that our talibornagains are emulating the most venal expressions of Christian theocracies of the past.

And not a one of them can see that they are presenting themselves to the world as weak followers of people using them to attain power who inevitably turn on them after they enlist their help to go after everybody else.

The funniest thing is that their loving god never does a damn thing to stop those abusing them in his name.

So just another proof that jahweh is a dick.
 
Gordy327 said:
The separation of church and state is one of, if not the best idea the Founding Father's, came up with. Why would anyone want to allow the government to intrude in religious affairs or want religion to intrude in the government? Unless one wants a theocracy. And we've seen how those types of governments or societies have been.
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They suck and I forbid it. Maximum effort.
 
Gordy327 said:
Absolutely agreed. Remember, it's theocracies that gave us 9/11.
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Of course it would be ok with the talibornagains to fly planes into some Muslim country”s buildings.

For Jesus. Have they thought about the fact that an American Christian theocracy would wage war on Muslims and Buddhists and Hindus and anybody else not obeying their version of jahweh.

Using the military might of the United States.

There’s LOTS of reasons to make it clear that such a theocracy will not be allowed in America.
 
What if...? said:
Of course it would be ok with the talibornagains to fly planes into some Muslim country”s buildings.

For Jesus. Have they thought about the fact that an American Christian theocracy would wage war on Muslims and Buddhists and Hindus and anybody else not obeying their version of jahweh.

Using the military might of the United States.

There’s LOTS of reasons to make it clear that such a theocracy will not be allowed in America.
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They would call it a "Holy War." Enemies wouldn't be limited to those outside the country either. "Onward Christian soldiers," am I right?
 
HikerGuy83 said:
While specific situations warrent specific consideration (If it were any of our business), marriage has whole, serves society.

It certainly isn't perfect, but has a purpose.

I don't even know what the studies say anymore since you'll always find a counter study that shows the subject itself has become political.
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How does marriage serve society exactly?
 
Gordy327 said:
They would call it a "Holy War." Enemies wouldn't be limited to those outside the country either. "Onward Christian soldiers," am I right?
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They have no idea what they’re in for if they try

No holds barred.
 
JH Oldoc said:
Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.) says she is “tired” of the long-standing separation between church and state in the U.S., adding that she believes “the church is supposed to direct the government.”
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Where is her biblical justification for this? Jesus' Kingdom is not part of this World, and if she is a real Christian she's supposed to be seeking that first. She won't find His Kingdom pursuing megalomaniacal schemes to rule over the rest of us.
 
Bezukhov said:
Where is her biblical justification for this? Jesus' Kingdom is not part of this World, and if she is a real Christian she's supposed to be seeking that first. She won't find His Kingdom pursuing megalomaniacal schemes to rule over the rest of us.
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There is no justification for such a position against separation, except for religious delusion and/or theocratic bias.
 
Gordy327 said:
There is no justification for such a position against separation, except for religious delusion and/or theocratic bias.
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A Christian wielding earthly political power should seriously ask himself: Who am I really serving?

"We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one." 1 John 5:19
 
What if...? said:
Rel

Religion, unfortunately, is in the business of selling an afterlife. As compensation for submission to their betters in this life.

Which means it is necessary to destroy anything outside the church that makes life good. Hard to sell a life of privation in the name of god if life itself is good.

So they turn their followers against all temporal joy and make it illegal to experience those things. So their followers aren’t tempted seeing all those people enjoying life.

All the children of jahweh do this. For the same reasons: power and control.

I find it amusing that our talibornagains are emulating the most venal expressions of Christian theocracies of the past.

And not a one of them can see that they are presenting themselves to the world as weak followers of people using them to attain power who inevitably turn on them after they enlist their help to go after everybody else.

The funniest thing is that their loving god never does a damn thing to stop those abusing them in his name.

So just another proof that jahweh is a dick.
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That is probably the !most insane thing I've ever read.
 
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