Are you concerned about where the loyalty is of Muslems serving in the Military?

[Navy Pride]

Not at all. I would not be concerned with a Muslim at my side unless he brought suspicion upon himself.

So when are all you right wingers going to try and pass a law that only allows White Christian Heterosexual Men to join the US Military?

I suspect those guys that died in that tent had no concerns either.......

 

[Navy Pride]

Navy, would you provide a link proving that these murders were religiously motivated?

No I am not........If you can't see that then you don't believe the 9/11/01 butchers were motivated by religion either therefore it is ridiculous to debate with you....

 

[Gibberish]

I suspect those guys that died in that tent had no concerns either.......

It was a terrible act but that is what happens during war. Banning all people that follow a specific religion from joining the Military will not stop tragedies and will only diminish our slogan of "land of the free" and our constitutional right to freedom of religion.

 

[Gibberish]

No I am not........If you can't see that then you don't believe the 9/11/01 butchers were motivated by religion either therefore it is ridiculous to debate with you....

False. 9/11 was specifically stated as motivated by religion. Anyone of these guys could have simply been crazy. Though given the circumstances it does not look good for them.

 

[Kandahar]

Navy Pride, aren't you the one always preaching about not disparaging our troops based on the actions of a few bad apples? That's exactly what you're doing.

So far, a lot more atrocities in this war have been committed by white trash redneck soldiers in the US military than by Muslim soldiers in the US military. Do you trust white trash rednecks to serve our country?

 

[Hatuey]

No I am not........If you can't see that then you don't believe the 9/11/01 butchers were motivated by religion either therefore it is ridiculous to debate with you....

What is that word my Capt. always uses.....oh yes...this is a perfect example of an argument "non sequitur". Does not follow. The people responsible for 9/11 admitted their crimes were of a religious nature. On audio tapes, on letters to their families and on the videos they created prior to committing theses acts. I'd like to see the same from these guys. A confession. A video tape of him screaming Allah Akbar. Anything. Until then I wont be as quick to pass judgment as you have been.

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PS : Nice try appealing to my sentimental side by pushing out the 9/11 victims.

 

[Edify_Always_In_All_Ways]

How do you know what religion the guards were there? Listen my left wing friend......You got 150,000 people in Iraq.........Don't blame them all for what one tenth of one percent do..........

Get a clue.........

You got over 3,000 muslims in the military, my right wing friend... don't blame them all for what one fifteenth of one percent do.

:roll:

 

[Edify_Always_In_All_Ways]

"Let he who without sin cast the first stone."

Navy Pride- hypocrite much? I rarely see you post without unleashing a fusillade of your own stones. And then, to defend yourself, you post this...:doh

 

[Dogger807]

This thread is not about Christianity.

No it's about loyalties in out military.... my view is extremist christians are a greater threat than muslims in this case.

Don't get me wrong I have a low opinion of the muslim superstition too, but anything that can be said about muslim extremists can be said about christian extremists as well. When I bring christianity into a muslim thread , realize I'm just talking about the other side of the same coin.

To paraphrase myself ... just because the claymore of islamic religion is such an obvious threat doesn't mean we should ignore the rapier that is chritianity.

Both are remnants of a privative mindset, both are uncompromising in the belief they they are right and everyone else is wrong, and they both drive people to do evil that they would otherwise not commit.

Yes there are people that use these belief systems to do good, but there are equaly those who use them to do evil.

In a direct answer to the question of the thread.. no I'm not worried , there aren't enough muslims in our military percentage wise to make much of an impact. (Note.... I didn't say no impact ..I said not much of an impact.)

 

[conserv.pat15]

No it's about loyalties in out military.... my view is extremist christians are a greater threat than muslims in this case.

Don't get me wrong I have a low opinion of the muslim superstition too, but anything that can be said about muslim extremists can be said about christian extremists as well. When I bring christianity into a muslim thread , realize I'm just talking about the other side of the same coin.

To paraphrase myself ... just because the claymore of islamic religion is such an obvious threat doesn't mean we should ignore the rapier that is chritianity.

Both are remnants of a privative mindset, both are uncompromising in the belief they they are right and everyone else is wrong, and they both drive people to do evil that they would otherwise not commit.

Yes there are people that use these belief systems to do good, but there are equaly those who use them to do evil.

In a direct answer to the question of the thread.. no I'm not worried , there aren't enough muslims in our military percentage wise to make much of an impact. (Note.... I didn't say no impact ..I said not much of an impact.)

Muslims are far more dangerous than Christians. To even compare them is just stupid. When was the last time Christians flew planes into buildings and murdered thousands of people?

 

[Hatuey]

Muslims are far more dangerous than Christians. To even compare them is just stupid. When was the last time Christians flew planes into buildings and murdered thousands of people?

Wow....sadder words I've never heard. MAN is dangerous. His religion matters not. You're either born a murderer or you're not. All religion does is determine which side you'll most likely be on. The IRA, Freedomites, God's Army. All terrorist groups. All Christians. To say that they're less dangerous just cause they're Christian is a sign of ignorance.

 

[Sergeant Stinger1]

I voted YES!

 

[jfuh]

Here is a flash for you my left wing friend...You don't have to be and American Citizen to join the military.....

They haven't nor will they.........

What a total BS thread.

American citizenship does not mean you are loyal to the country either. Look at Bush and Cheny, by far the greatest sell outs of America choosing snippits of the constitution to abide by while spitting on the rest.
Timothy McVeigh patriotic? Loyal?
And you, condemning everyone based on nothing but prejudices, what's American about that?
Perhaps we should start locking up the muslims in this country like we did with the Japanese during WWII?

 

[Dogger807]

Muslims are far more dangerous than Christians. To even compare them is just stupid. When was the last time Christians flew planes into buildings and murdered thousands of people?

do you think all that infighting between the protestants and catholics was due to muslims? I'll bet you can even name a few bombings in the good old U S of A that were carried out by christians. How about the IRA?


google christian terrorists you'll get [SIZE=-1]2,030,000 hits. [/SIZE]

 

[rivrrat]

I'm not at all concerned about the religious beliefs of US soldiers. I really don't care what their religious beliefs are, why should I?

 

[MSgt]

We have to acknowledge that this is not something that our military is experiencing for the first time. During WWII, many of our German immigrants in uniform kept their origins secret for fear of persecution and ther certainly was a bit of sabotage. And because of our extremely diverse population, we had to be careful about who we allowed into our ranks. We even locked up many Japanese immigrants in California until we were sure that we were internally safe.

Our enemy today, is the majority of the people who live in what we think of as the large Arab nations, plus certain other groups. Our enemy is concentrated in Egypt, Libya, Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and Syria, plus the Palestinians are part of it. There are lesser concentrations of our enemy in Morocco, Algeria, Yemen, Oman and (non-Arab) Pakistan. It's really difficult to exactly delineate who our enemies are, but they number in millions. They're Arab and Muslim, but not every Arab is among them, and most Muslims are not.

With this war we are going to see Muslim individuals allow their frustrations to get the better of them. But this number will be such an extreme few that we might as well not even acknowledge its few exceptions. Our Muslims are good people. They are wonderful Americans. And they have spent their money to travel across the ocean to capture that American Dream, not destroy it. While they are the most isolated of our immigrants, their children go to school with our children. They seek prosperity and are encouraged to contribute to their new society simply because they love their children. They also know very well of the failures they left behind in their birth nations. People don't uproot their entire families out of failure to travel to a land of immeasurable possibility to destroy it.

Some people fret rediculously over the prospect that Iraqi immigrants will strart boarding the boats. Well, I say welcome. Just like the Japanese before them, the Irish before them, and every nation on earth that has offerred us their best, Muslims will prove to be great contributors to the American experiment.

 

[Inuyasha]

As i mentioned previously, it is better to look at converts, especially recent ones and I don't mean to any specific religion or only religious converts but i mean to any type of cult or organization that might demand total loyalty - even things like that weird group that Tom Cruise belongs to. These types of groups can be dangerous when in the mind of a fanatic.

 

[Gardener]

It would be interesting to know how many Muslims in the military are Nation of Islam vrs. middle eastern, but as far as the latter is concerned, have people considered the fact that many people who come to America do so to escape intolerance? Many Iranians came to this country soon after the nutjobs took over, and precisely because they DIDN'T support the Mullahcracy and embraced western values, instead. Why fear a person who is so motivated by the same distaste for exactly that which we are fighting that they left their own country to come live here?

 

[MSgt]

As i mentioned previously, it is better to look at converts, especially recent ones and I don't mean to any specific religion or only religious converts but i mean to any type of cult or organization that might demand total loyalty - even things like that weird group that Tom Cruise belongs to. These types of groups can be dangerous when in the mind of a fanatic.

Exactly. Al-Queda is a cult that has built it's numbers from a diseased culture. What saves us from our fanatics is our culture's ability to always remain in motion.

Creative energies are constantly unleashed from global instability and the best and brightest who want every opportunity that they deserve travel to Europe, and if they can afford it, America. Sure, we have had our very own internal terrorist organization (Ku Klux Klan), but the worst we have to fear from our religious cults today is that they will harm themselves to satisfy some fools vision (Heaven's Gate, Kool-Aid Gang, etc.). And of course we will always have our extreme exception of practical terrorists (McVeigh). The creative juices that so drives our culture to prosper and constantly re-define the American experience, is the greater contributions given to us from almost every single culture on earth. As long as we continue to cling to the basic human rights, maintain a healthy competition between our religions, and adhere to the rule of law, we will be just fine (where we have difficulty with this, is trying to apply it to a world where most leaders and regimes don't want it).

 

[Pull My Finger]

Hmmm 3 no votes all left wing "feel good liberals" who are not in the military......I guess I should have asked the question of guys in the military or veterans...

Yeah, if you wanted to better your chances of getting the answer you wanted. Still no guarantee, it's a poll... Your best bet would have been to disable the ability to check 'no'.

Not concerned with Muslims in the military.

Peace

 

[Inuyasha]

I absolutely agree. Al-Queda ia a cult. In the West as you mentioned we also have our cults to worry about but also as you say Western society is more fluid and it is harder for them to get a foothold. I remember in Spain after the death of Franco a right winged cult calling itself "Los Guerrilleros de Cristo Rey" (The Warriors of Christ The King) caused all kinds of problems for a few years and assennated many people. It was nothing more than a political group that worshipped Franco but used the cover of religion to promote it's beliefs, not at all unlike Al-Queda. They were stopped after a few years.

To me that type of group is different than the IRA or ETA only in that they do not discriminate against their targets the same way. But essentially the results are the same. For a long time here in America we considered both the IRA and ETA as "freedom fighters" and gave asylum to many of their members but once terrorism began to be a reality in America that changed and IMO for the better.

 

[MSgt]

I absolutely agree. Al-Queda ia a cult. In the West as you mentioned we also have our cults to worry about but also as you say Western society is more fluid and it is harder for them to get a foothold. I remember in Spain after the death of Franco a right winged cult calling itself "Los Guerrilleros de Cristo Rey" (The Warriors of Christ The King) caused all kinds of problems for a few years and assennated many people. It was nothing more than a political group that worshipped Franco but used the cover of religion to promote it's beliefs, not at all unlike Al-Queda. They were stopped after a few years.

To me that type of group is different than the IRA or ETA only in that they do not discriminate against their targets the same way. But essentially the results are the same. For a long time here in America we considered both the IRA and ETA as "freedom fighters" and gave asylum to many of their members but once terrorism began to be a reality in America that changed and IMO for the better.

Definately. The alphabet soup terrorists of the past, the IRA, ETA, PLO, RAF, and others were essentially political organizations with political goals. Today's Islamic terrorist is a far more dangerous thing. History has seen his type before.

 

[Navy Pride]

All these Libs not concerned with moslems in the military, of course none of them are in and most never have been....No skin off their ***........

 

[rivrrat]

All these Libs not concerned with moslems in the military, of course none of them are in and most never have been....No skin off their ***........

Honestly... people like you in our military scares the bejesus out of me.

 

[Kandahar]

All these Libs not concerned with moslems in the military, of course none of them are in and most never have been....No skin off their ***........

So why didn't you answer my question? White trash rednecks have committed a lot more atrocities in Iraq than Muslims in our military have, yet I don't see you making blanket statements that you don't trust rednecks in our military.

Why are you so quick to condemn our men and women in uniform for the actions of ONE INDIVIDUAL? You must really hate the military.