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[ElChupacabra]

Pick your progressive organization involved in putting these together. Who is it you think these organizations fight for, contribute to, support, vote for, and rally together for these protests? It's just yet another hate Trump rally, pulling together all the usual angry, hate Trump leftists.

Except that's not the Democratic Party itself. That these groups lean in that direction does not mean the party itself has anything to do with it. So I guess according to this logic, the MAGAGOP organized the J6 event, right?

 

[soap box]

Maybe you simply don't understand it takes a strong leader to deal with a stubborn political opposition party; get rid of millions of illegal aliens which Biden would not or could not do; bring peace to Gaza; be the leader of country that is powerful NATO member that has the weapons, oil/gas, and military intelligence that all allies need.

And just what are the participants of these anti-Trump protests supposed to accomplish?

That trump would understand there's dissent.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Lol to your "Full stop". It's some weird tactic the Dems have all jumped on, and you simply don't want to talk about the underlying reason for the very coordinated narrative. "No matter how you" want to "spin it" as something other than a typical and tiresome Dem narrative/tactic.

Not really, no. It's a retort to the idea the MAGAGOP have no other possible option, which is blatantly false since they have two:

1. Negotiate with Democrats to get the votes they need.
2. Abolish the filibuster and push it through with no votes from the Democrats.

If one adopts a zero-sum approach to everything, then the options becomes as stark as the game that's being played. The problem here is the MAGAGOP want to have their cake and eat it too, and some in their base are under the delusion that because their party has control of the government means they run roughshod over everything.

 

[Callen]

But the Senate GOP leaders have long seen it as very important, and the Dems know that. This isn't about how you or the Dems view it. The GOP won't do it, and the Dems know that - so why the narrative and the game? What's behind that coordinated Dem tactic? There is clearly some underlying reason why they just keep harping and harping and harping about it, when they know darn well the GOP will not change that long standing Senate procedure.

Easy, because that's the Democratic messaging..... the GOP could pass this CR without Dems if they really wanted to. Most people don't know the history of the filibuster and think it's just a rule that can be changed, which is true. It's no different than the right's repetitive mantra about the evil ,violent left, if you say it long enough and loud enough you hope it takes hold. Facts are it likely is working as polls continue to show the the GOP and Trump are taking more blame for the shutdown than the Dems.

 

[NewfieMom]

Pick your progressive organization involved in putting these together. Who is it you think these organizations fight for, contribute to, support, vote for, and rally together for these protests? It's just yet another hate Trump rally, pulling together all the usual angry, hate Trump leftists.

There is no need to guess. It is not a secret.
Here is a list of the organizations supporting No Kings Day.

PARTNERS — No Kings

www.nokings.org

 

[hecatmoggie]

They are a group which includes low wage Americans who do not receive healthcare benefits from their employers and small business owners. The plans are subsidized, not the people.

the low wage working people need better jobs - my daughter is one of those btw and she refuses to try and get a better job. I don't know why

You should really read up on how the model played out in Arkansas and Georgia to understand how badly this premise of "IT'S DER LAZY KIDS PLAYING VIDEO GAMES!!11!" played out. Clearly you don't seem to understand the inner workings of the problem. It also seems you're not aware that people not having healthcare plans is also a drain because people don't just decide to die if they don't have access to healthcare, and the way they access it is through emergency rooms which then drives the costs of the insured up. Nothing is for free, it's just a question of how we want to pay for it.

give me a link, I'll eagerly read what you're talking about

The OBB's done no such thing. The fact you're parroting points with nothing to back it up sums up the problem with you're position and sure, we can agree to disagree, but we can do that over whether the sun is green or yellow too. The question is you backing your claims, which you're not doing.

is the OBBB changed the rules/regulations/restrictions on health care is absolutely did

Changes to Medicaid, the ACA and other key provisions of the One Big Beautiful Bill Act

Stay up to date on OBBBA implementation and related federal rulemaking with resources from the AMA.

www.ama-assn.org

 

[hecatmoggie]

Um, the GOP/WH is doing that without Congress.

right - GOP needs to demand Democrats go along with it .... and if they do, then GOP will vote YES to open Fed Govt

if the Democrats don't give all that? then GOP can vote NO and blame the Democrats for not caving to GOP demands

makes perfect sense right ?

 

[hecatmoggie]

A few disingenuous posts (being disingenuous is a form of lying)

If you seriously do not understand the issue, why are you on this site? If you don't get it, then you are politically ignorant.

The correct response is making the argument what most Democrats (in fact, most of the country) sees/fears is happening is not actually happening; that the US is not sliding toward autocracy. Can you make an intelligent argument here? Bear in mind, however that you would be arguing against the grain, as 75% of Americans believe our democracy is in trouble, hence it is conventional wisdom, which puts the burden of proof on you.

But, this feigning ignorance is not a good look for Trump supporters as it makes you appear clueless.

the issue? Democrats are losing, liberals are losing ..... the border is secured, illegally here people who are criminals being deported by the 10's of thousands, the abuse of our healthcare system is being addressed, racist/discrimination practices of DEI is being torn down, Democrats lost the House, Senate and the presidency , stock market soaring, inflation isn't ridiculous, gas prices staying low, peace in Israel looks real ... this is what GOP is doing

what are Democrats doing? planning a no kings day and shutting the Fed Govt down and protecting illegally here people/criminals ......

 

[hecatmoggie]

To make sure we don't have one on 1.21.29.

that's ridiculous ... its fear mongering and 100% impossiblity

 

[Callen]

that's ridiculous ... its fear mongering and 100% impossiblity

Famous last words.....

 

[Allan]

Are you busy October 18th? Please join me by attending a 'No Kings' event near you.

Potentially millions of your fellow Americans will join together to say that America is not an authoritarian state. It wasn't that long ago that these protests would have included lots of Republicans as well. Today? Not so much.

No Kings June 14 · No Kings on Mobilize

Find events, petitions, volunteer opportunities, fundraisers and more with No Kings.

www.mobilize.us

I guess Canadians can't participate in No Kings Day.

 

[roguenuke]

Son signed up for a college campus tour months ago. Although considering where it is, likely we will see this or have it affect us. Then we also have the state fair going on this weekend as well, so that's another thing that is going to make it interesting in downtown tomorrow.

 

[OrphanSlug]

Voted other plans. While I wish those well who are participating in the various No Kings protests, I am beginning to question if it will be meaningful enough to the very voters Democrats need given how leaderless, aimless, and effectively message-less they are these days.

 

[hecatmoggie]

You got angry there for a minute didn't you. Sanctuary Cities. Boy you guys love to throw that around. Let's discuss how that works for your edification.

It is a request for local authorities to assist Immigration Officials in rounding up Illegals. There is no law that says they must do so. In fact there are Supreme Court decisions that clearly state that Immigration is a Federal Responsibility. Now, there is nothing illegal with saying no when someone asks you for your help. You are free to do that all day and night with no legal consequences. It would be as if I built a lousy fence and my Cattle got out. I ask you for help and you tell me no. Now, you might not be a good neighbor in my opinion, but you have committed no crime in refusing to help me.

Democrats asked, and tried to work out a deal on Medicare and ACA before this. They were told to suck it every time.

right, Democrats are voting no and continuing the shutdown

Now, the situation is you need their help to get the CR going, and they are just as abrupt as you were before. Why are you mad at them?

because they're voting NO to keep the Govt shut down

You can't treat people like dirt and expect them to do what you want.

its Democrats doing what needs done - keeping the US Fed Govt open and running.

It is not like the Republicans are going to like them or start to negotiate if the CR passes. The Republicans are still going to refuse to negotiate as they have since Trump took office. If I refuse to even talk to you, why would you lift a finger to help me?

you're not doing it for me - you're doing it for the people of the USA and the Fed Govt

Democrats tried to work with the Republicans on the BBB.

yes, they failed to get what they wanted, they lost

Republicans thumbed their nose and said we don't need you. Screw off. When the CR was being written and debated, again the Democrats reached out to negotiate. Again go screw yourself losers. How in the world can the Republicans act surprised that we are at an impasse?

the fight will go on, no doubt ..... but holding the US Fed Govt hostage is a good idea in your opinion ?

I mean supposedly the Republicans have common sense. Didn't anyone ever tell them you don't shit where you eat? Or perhaps this old one my Parents made sure I understood. Treat others as you would have them treat you? Ring a bell?

The Republicans counted on the Democrats blinking. It's been two weeks and still nothing.

I don't think they did.
Every day this goes on, Democrats look worse and worse. They're the ones voting NO. Trump is using this more to his advantage every day.

So keep it shut down. If the Republicans are that determined to screw the little people then let's keep on going.

ok stop ... who is voting NO here ? the people voting NO and keeping the shutdown going are to blame, not the ones voting yes

 

[hecatmoggie]

Oh come on, I know you are not that ignorant. Don't make playground comments if you want an adult discussion.

talk to the other poster, that's what they said, not me .... I don't think Trump runs the Govt or is King of it all ..... that's the other posters ideals, not mine

 

[hecatmoggie]

Famous last words.....

when has the USA ever had a King ?

 

[Callen]

Every day this goes on, Democrats look worse and worse. They're the ones voting NO. Trump is using this more to his advantage every day.

That's not what the polls are showing. The Dems are gaining ground against the GOP. This from the Morning Consults most recent poll.

"Congressional Democrats’ popularity ticks back up: Voters are 5 percentage points more likely to have an unfavorable than favorable view of Democrats in Congress, a 2-point improvement from last week that nonetheless leaves them less popular with Americans than they were for most of September. At 7 points underwater, Republicans in Congress remain slightly less popular with the U.S. electorate.

Schumer bests Johnson in popularity: For the first time this year, House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) has a lower net favorability rating among voters than Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.). However, with respective net ratings of -5 points and -4 points, both leaders are underwater with the overall electorate."

 

[Callen]

talk to the other poster, that's what they said, not me .... I don't think Trump runs the Govt or is King of it all ..... that's the other posters ideals, not mine

Call him a King or call him a dictator....take your choice. He has decided to ignore the Constitution, refuse all oversight, spend money without congressional approval, institute a national sales tax unilaterally, deploy the military in acts of war without congressional approval and use the DOJ as his personal lawyers.

 

[hecatmoggie]

That's not what the polls are showing. The Dems are gaining ground against the GOP. This from the Morning Consults most recent poll.

"Congressional Democrats’ popularity ticks back up: Voters are 5 percentage points more likely to have an unfavorable than favorable view of Democrats in Congress, a 2-point improvement from last week that nonetheless leaves them less popular with Americans than they were for most of September. At 7 points underwater, Republicans in Congress remain slightly less popular with the U.S. electorate.

Schumer bests Johnson in popularity: For the first time this year, House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) has a lower net favorability rating among voters than Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.). However, with respective net ratings of -5 points and -4 points, both leaders are underwater with the overall electorate."

no way I believe that the American people favor terrorist demands

the "you do what we demand or else" reflects the party voting NO which keeps the Fed Govt shutdown

polls showed Hillary would win and Kamala too FYI

 

[Callen]

no way I believe that the American people favor terrorist demands

the "you do what we demand or else" reflects the party voting NO which keeps the Fed Govt shutdown

polls showed Hillary would win and Kamala too FYI

Oh OK..........

 

[hecatmoggie]

Call him a King or call him a dictator....take your choice.

well he's 100% not a king in any way, shape or form and he's not dictatorial either - if he was, we'd not have a House or Senate

He has decided to ignore the Constitution, refuse all oversight, spend money without congressional approval, institute a national sales tax unilaterally, deploy the military in acts of war without congressional approval and use the DOJ as his personal lawyers.

sounds like what Obama and Biden did too .... but you didn't care when they did theirs because you supported Democrat president

 

[hecatmoggie]

Oh OK..........

well I mean polls ARE junk for the most part, you can get polls to reflect what you want at anytime

fair polls are rare IMO

 

[soap box]

when has the USA ever had a King ?

ELVIS

 

[soap box]

well he's 100% not a king in any way, shape or form and he's not dictatorial either - if he was, we'd not have a House or Senate



sounds like what Obama and Biden did too .... but you didn't care when they did theirs because you supported Democrat president

The simple reality is that we no longer have checks nor balances. It's whatever trump wants, the maga Congress will oblige.

If trump breaks the law, who will stop him?

 

[SavannahMann]

That’s okay, demofks can hold the country hostage, it’s who they are! They are so pissed Trump will fund the military they are going to sue, showing their hate of Americans

So help me out will you? When Biden wanted to use some money from a program to pay Student Loans and the case went to the Supreme Court, what was the problem again?

Oh that’s right. The President (Biden) did not have the authority to spend money that had not been allocated by Congress. According to the Republicans that made Biden a total Dictator.

So here is the big question. If the Supreme Court told Biden he couldn’t do that because Congress had the power to allocate money, why is Trump a great guy for doing the same thing?