Are YOU better or worse off today than 7 1/2 years ago?

[Objective Voice]

My life has gotten better over the last seven and a half years. But it isn't because of President Obama. The truth is that it is in spite of President Obama. He promised us that if we made less than 250k a year our taxes wouldn't go up one dime. That turned out not to be true. The ACA cut the FSA amount to $2550 no matter what earned, how many in your family, etc. Taxes got added to "Cadillac" healthcare plans provided by employers. These things hit me in the wallet. They weren't substantial hits but they were hits, none-the-less.

Truthfully, everyone should be able to say that they are doing better 7 or 10 years down the road. If you aren't then it is your fault not the current President. We have to continue to work to improve ourselves not just expect the government to make everything better. Are you making the income you want to make? If not, then you need to work harder. Improve your skills. Take some college. Become more valuable to your employer.

This...

Frankly, it was't the Obama presidency that hit my wallet the hardest. It's been the Republican legislature in my state (AL) that hurt me the most. But I took action into my own hands and cut back as much as possible (or as much as I was willing to without losing a decent quality of life) just before the Great Recession and I've lived well within my means ever since.

I've always taken responsibility for myself so that no matter what the government does I do what I have to do to ensure my family is taken care of. And if that means living without a few luxuries for a little while, so be it.

 

[roguenuke]

The only time I can think of that the President had any direct affect on my life was when Bush flew onto our ship to make his speech. We were so close to home (or at least the continental US) after having been out to sea for almost 10 months, no one was happy about having to wait to pull in just so he could make his speech, especially not when you could look out from the flight deck from where we were sitting during the speech and see San Diego. Definitely had little to no affect on my financial situation though.

 

[mmi]

what type of personal responsibility has the Democrat party pushed?

The American kind.

>>The legacy of the Democrat party since the days of FDR is making as many people as possible beholden to the Democrat politicians and their handouts.

The legacy of the Democratic party since the days of FDR has been a dramatic expansion of the middle class, a sharp reduction in poverty, especially among the elderly and racial/ethnic minorities, and a dramatic increase in things like educational attainment, public health, environmental quality, consumer protection, equal opportunity for women and minorities, international trade, scientific research and development, etc, etc, etc.

 

[TurtleDude]

The American kind.

>>The legacy of the Democrat party since the days of FDR is making as many people as possible beholden to the Democrat politicians and their handouts.

The legacy of the Democratic party since the days of FDR has been a dramatic expansion of the middle class, a sharp reduction in poverty, especially among the elderly and racial/ethnic minorities, and a dramatic increase in things like educational attainment, public health, environmental quality, consumer protection, equal opportunity for women and minorities, international trade, scientific research and development, etc, etc, etc.

the war on poverty-trillions wasted, multi-generational dependence and crap like the equal opportunity for minorities and women has nothing to do with the welfare socialism the Democrat party has championed in order to create a permanent class of addicted dependents.

 

[mmi]

the war on poverty-trillions wasted

Black poverty down from 56% in 1959 to 23% in 2001. Poverty among elderly Americans down from 48% to 10% since the introduction of Social Security

>>crap like the equal opportunity for minorities and women has nothing to do with the welfare socialism the Democrat party has championed in order to create a permanent class of addicted dependents.

Empty rhetoric, and dismissed as such.

 

[jonny5]

So in other words it doesn't say anything about who is responsible for a presidents failed policies?

No, in other words, Iraq and the recession were not "presidents policies".

 

[jonny5]

What conservative values does bush support?

Turning a surplus into a 1.4 billion dollar deficit?
Letting mexicans take our country?
Bushcare?
No child left behind?
Growing the goverment?
Giving subsidized subprime loans to poor people?
Nationalizing the banks?

Those are mostly specific laws, not values. The values he supports are

work ethic
physical security
Strong families
fiscal responsibility
compassion

 

[justabubba]

Those are mostly specific laws, not values. The values he supports are

work ethic
physical security
Strong families
fiscal responsibility
compassion

your jokes are killing me

that was good

 

[mmi]

Those are mostly specific laws, not values. The values he supports are

work ethic
physical security
Strong families
fiscal responsibility
compassion

your jokes are killing me

I honestly thought that was a list of values Obummer supports. And in fact he does, on every count. If people on the Right would recognize that reality, maybe we could focus on designing and implementing policies that advance them.

 

[earthworm]

the war on poverty-trillions wasted, multi-generational dependence and crap like the equal opportunity for minorities and women has nothing to do with the welfare socialism the Democrat party has championed in order to create a permanent class of addicted dependents.

And you believe this ''pack of lies", Dude ?
I, sure as hell do not ..
But, has it been a good investment ? NO , wars never are , it not their point .

 

[Far right dem]

No, in other words, Iraq and the recession were not "presidents policies".

Iraq was the presidents policies and the GBCRR was caused by the president's policies.

 

[Far right dem]

Those are mostly specific laws, not values. The values he supports are

work ethic
physical security
Strong families
fiscal responsibility
compassion

LOL. so he passed laws that goes against his values?

 

[Far right dem]

your jokes are killing me

that was good

The most laughable were physical security(he let 9-11 happen) and fiscal responsibility (he is the most fiscally irresponsible president in US history).

 

[Southern Dad]

President Obama's ACA had a direct effect on me. First, the maximum FSA is now $2550 which is half what it used to be, regardless of your medical expenses. Next, I lost my "Cadillac" plan. But on the positive side, I'm covered if I get pregnant.

 

[mmi]

President Obama's ACA had a direct effect on me.

Imo, living in a society in which twenty million more of yer neighbours now don't need to suffer under the burden of living without health insurance is something that you can experience directly. Of course, if you don't give a rat's ass about yer fellow Americans, I suppose that benefit would not exist for you.

 

[TurtleDude]

And you believe this ''pack of lies", Dude ?
I, sure as hell do not ..
But, has it been a good investment ? NO , wars never are , it not their point .

what lies Earthworm?

 

[Southern Dad]

Imo, living in a society in which twenty million more of yer neighbours now don't need to suffer under the burden of living without health insurance is something that you can experience directly. Of course, if you don't give a rat's ass about yer fellow Americans, I suppose that benefit would not exist for you.

Who are you kidding? They still can't afford medical care. They have learned some new words. Things like deductible, copay, and premium. When they have a $6000 deductible do they really have healthcare insurance?

 

[mmi]

Who are you kidding?

Nobody, and I'm not trying.

>>They still can't afford medical care.

Unsupported and of course completely untrue in many cases.

>>When they have a $6000 deductible do they really have healthcare insurance?

Yes, they do. They don't have the kind of plan people used to get through their employment, back before healthcare costs went up so much, more or less quadrupling between 1985 and 2010. But they do have insurance. If they get, say, a $15K hospital bill like I did in 1997 when I was diagnosed with Graves' disease and primary pulmonary hypertension and spent six days in a hospital while doctors repeated a bunch of expensive tests cuz they couldn't figure out why I was testing at 138% of expected lung capacity when it should have been around ninety percent or less … they're covered for nine grand of it.

 

[TurtleDude]

The real answer is not whether I am better off. Each year I invest and save so each year I am financially better off than the year before. The real issue is WOULD I HAVE BEEN BETTER OFF if Romney or McCain would have won rather than the empty suit and while its hard to predict, I believe I would have. certainly we would have better justices on the supreme court and less idiotic executive orders that are contrary to interests of us libertarian or conservative citizens

 

[justabubba]

The real answer is not whether I am better off. Each year I invest and save so each year I am financially better off than the year before. The real issue is WOULD I HAVE BEEN BETTER OFF if Romney or McCain would have won rather than the empty suit and while its hard to predict, I believe I would have. certainly we would have better justices on the supreme court and less idiotic executive orders that are contrary to interests of us libertarian or conservative citizens

john 'the fundamentals of the economy are sound' mccain
the fellow who could not see the massive problem as it was crashing down all around us
yea, he's the guy we would want to follow to dig us out of the notso great recession

 

[TurtleDude]

john 'the fundamentals of the economy are sound' mccain
the fellow who could not see the massive problem as it was crashing down all around us
yea, he's the guy we would want to follow to dig us out of the notso great recession

He flipped flopped on a couple big issues but for those who are claiming Cankles has more experience than Trump and who voted for Obama, I call BS

 

[Cephus]

Who are you kidding? They still can't afford medical care. They have learned some new words. Things like deductible, copay, and premium. When they have a $6000 deductible do they really have healthcare insurance?

Not to mention all of the people who either cannot afford or do not want health insurance who are now being fined by the government for not having it, yet who still don't get any benefits.

 

[imagep]

I don't think that the poll is turning out the way that the OP expected it to.

Bush set a very low bar with a loss of hundreds of thousands of jobs per month and half the value of the stock market by the time he left office. Compared to what happened on his watch (I'm not blaming him for it), any economy that is improving, regardless of how slow it is improving, is relatively fantastic. Our economy is doing fairly well, not fantastic and not booming, but decent enough to satisfy most of us.

Presidential elections are won or lost based upon the strength of the economy at election time. Republicans have no chance of winning, short of SHillary being indited.

Sorry conservative hacks, republicans have spent 7.5 years trying to destroy our economy for political purpose, they miscalculated the strength of the American Capitalist.

 

[jonny5]

Iraq was the presidents policies and the GBCRR was caused by the president's policies.

Iraq was the govts policy. And the recession was a mix of govt policy and natural economics.

 

[jonny5]

LOL. so he passed laws that goes against his values?

Yes and no.