Are we seeing a new form of Terrorism emerging?

[Oozlefinch]

This is something that for some reason has been largely ignored, but in thinking about it something struck me.


Yesterday, Law Enforcement and the FBI were interviewing Ibragim Todashev in connection to 2 cases, the Bostoon Bombing and a triple homicide in 2011. It is suspected he operated with one or both of the Boston Marathon Bombing suspects in the murder of 3 Jews on the 10th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks.


Now this struck me as interesting, because it got me to thinking. I was immediately struck how similar this was to many Gang Initiations and acceptance in the Mafia.


Both of these groupings generally use "Blood In - Blood Out" was a way to vette potential recruits. In other words, they have them seriously injure or kill somebody, as both a way to prove their commitment and to ensure that they would be unable to go to Law Enforcement in the future. After all, how many will go to the FBI if in doing so the fact that they are guilty of 1st Degree Murder could be placed against them?


In looking at this incident, I now have to wonder if this is starting to happen with "homegrown terrorists". What we more then likely have here was the embryonic stages of a terrorist cell being created, and possibly even it's ensuring that other members would not be tempted to turn against the group.


I am now going to be paying more attention to any such events in the future, and seeing what develops from them.

 

[Lutherf]

Think about the groups that terrorists recruit from and I think you'll have your answer.

 

[Dittohead not!]

This is something that for some reason has been largely ignored, but in thinking about it something struck me.


Yesterday, Law Enforcement and the FBI were interviewing Ibragim Todashev in connection to 2 cases, the Bostoon Bombing and a triple homicide in 2011. It is suspected he operated with one or both of the Boston Marathon Bombing suspects in the murder of 3 Jews on the 10th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks.


Now this struck me as interesting, because it got me to thinking. I was immediately struck how similar this was to many Gang Initiations and acceptance in the Mafia.


Both of these groupings generally use "Blood In - Blood Out" was a way to vette potential recruits. In other words, they have them seriously injure or kill somebody, as both a way to prove their commitment and to ensure that they would be unable to go to Law Enforcement in the future. After all, how many will go to the FBI if in doing so the fact that they are guilty of 1st Degree Murder could be placed against them?


In looking at this incident, I now have to wonder if this is starting to happen with "homegrown terrorists". What we more then likely have here was the embryonic stages of a terrorist cell being created, and possibly even it's ensuring that other members would not be tempted to turn against the group.


I am now going to be paying more attention to any such events in the future, and seeing what develops from them.

I think it's entirely possible that terrorist groups would use such an "initiation".

Gangs do it all the time, and there's little difference between gangs and terrorist groups, after all.

 

[Oozlefinch]

I think it's entirely possible that terrorist groups would use such an "initiation".

Gangs do it all the time, and there's little difference between gangs and terrorist groups, after all.

And that is what got me thinking.

Boston is known for gang activity, and the apparent founder of this group is Americanized. So I am wondering if he is merging the two to create a new form of terrorist group, with rules more like the Mafia's Omerta to keep prospective recruits from squealing.

It would also help keep them from infiltration by Law Enforcement like the FBI.

 

[Fallenangel]

And that is what got me thinking.

Boston is known for gang activity, and the apparent founder of this group is Americanized. So I am wondering if he is merging the two to create a new form of terrorist group, with rules more like the Mafia's Omerta to keep prospective recruits from squealing.

It would also help keep them from infiltration by Law Enforcement like the FBI.

Actually the problem isn't "gang like" groups but what we call where i lived (Israel) "peoples' terror".
Both of the cases in Boston and London are pretty much a book description of that;
A very small group of relatives or good friends that share the same views decide to "take a stand" and produce some kind of a terror attack - they don't need a lot of equipment, they don't have clear leaders, they gain knowledge and get inspired by things they read/see/hear online or from their favorite imams/mufti.

The hardest thing about these kinds of terror groups that it is practically impossible to protect the public from them, and it is very hard to predict when/where and how they would strike.

EDIT: It would be especially hard to do something about these kinds of groups (or people), due to the larger sizes of land and population of the US and European countries, and due to quite a different set of social and political views of security forces involvement/roles in the countrys' life - compared to Israel.

Cheers,
Fallen.

 

[MMC]

This is something that for some reason has been largely ignored, but in thinking about it something struck me.


Yesterday, Law Enforcement and the FBI were interviewing Ibragim Todashev in connection to 2 cases, the Bostoon Bombing and a triple homicide in 2011. It is suspected he operated with one or both of the Boston Marathon Bombing suspects in the murder of 3 Jews on the 10th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks.


Now this struck me as interesting, because it got me to thinking. I was immediately struck how similar this was to many Gang Initiations and acceptance in the Mafia.


Both of these groupings generally use "Blood In - Blood Out" was a way to vette potential recruits. In other words, they have them seriously injure or kill somebody, as both a way to prove their commitment and to ensure that they would be unable to go to Law Enforcement in the future. After all, how many will go to the FBI if in doing so the fact that they are guilty of 1st Degree Murder could be placed against them?


In looking at this incident, I now have to wonder if this is starting to happen with "homegrown terrorists". What we more then likely have here was the embryonic stages of a terrorist cell being created, and possibly even it's ensuring that other members would not be tempted to turn against the group.


I am now going to be paying more attention to any such events in the future, and seeing what develops from them.

I think what we are seeing is AQ has morphed into the Hydra. Which is exactly like Blood In and Blood out. Such was the Way Papa King got it from the 5 Pointers out of NY and the Azteca Indians of Mexico. Which then with those whom he was involved. Created the Latin Kings.

Today there are Muslim Gangbangers with the Blackstone Nation. Although more correct is the Short version. The Stones. Course they are kept in check by all the other bangers in the Stones Organization. Which they call Tribes. Back in the 70s Jeff Fort who had become a convert to Islam. Even tried to turn the whole organization into El Rukns which led to a major battle taking place within their organization on the streets and in the Prisons. Including with the Feds.

in 1987 Fort was convicted of Conspiring with Libya to commit acts of Domestic violence by use of COINTELPRO type of methods.. In the 60's Fort was given the name Angel due to his ability to get the gangs in Chicago from warring with one another. They were always accepted by Chicago Society. In 67 he created the group Grassroots Independent Voters of Illinois. Fort even was invited to Nixon's Inauguration and Ball. He also walked out of Congress refusing to testify. Telling Congress to kiss his ass.

Which if you are aware they are also in the New England area of the Country.

This use to be their Temple on Drexel Ave in Chicago.

This is what it looks like today since they were driven out of that Building.

 

[NoC_T]

This is something that for some reason has been largely ignored, but in thinking about it something struck me.


Yesterday, Law Enforcement and the FBI were interviewing Ibragim Todashev in connection to 2 cases, the Bostoon Bombing and a triple homicide in 2011. It is suspected he operated with one or both of the Boston Marathon Bombing suspects in the murder of 3 Jews on the 10th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks.


Now this struck me as interesting, because it got me to thinking. I was immediately struck how similar this was to many Gang Initiations and acceptance in the Mafia.


Both of these groupings generally use "Blood In - Blood Out" was a way to vette potential recruits. In other words, they have them seriously injure or kill somebody, as both a way to prove their commitment and to ensure that they would be unable to go to Law Enforcement in the future. After all, how many will go to the FBI if in doing so the fact that they are guilty of 1st Degree Murder could be placed against them?


In looking at this incident, I now have to wonder if this is starting to happen with "homegrown terrorists". What we more then likely have here was the embryonic stages of a terrorist cell being created, and possibly even it's ensuring that other members would not be tempted to turn against the group.


I am now going to be paying more attention to any such events in the future, and seeing what develops from them.

Well absolutely, yeah.

The Islamist agenda is intentionally organised and co-ordinated in the glare of media publicity, using agents whose sphere of influence is augmented exponentially from within the confines of jail cells.

Of course the parallels between domestic criminal syndicates and a global holy war couldn't be more stark.

:rofl

 

[Thoreau72]

I agree--the Emperor's New Clothes are positively stunning! :mrgreen:

 

[MMC]

And that is what got me thinking.

Boston is known for gang activity, and the apparent founder of this group is Americanized. So I am wondering if he is merging the two to create a new form of terrorist group, with rules more like the Mafia's Omerta to keep prospective recruits from squealing.

It would also help keep them from infiltration by Law Enforcement like the FBI.

Heya OF.....did you see the show Declassified on the History Channel over this subject?

 

[grip]

I agree with Fallen Angel. If they don't find anymore affiliations from the Chech's in Boston than they have it's more likely an isolated event like McVeigh. 'Peoples terror' though separate from large organizations can increase in frequency as a result of social tensions. I'd fear larger groups of immigrant uprisings like they have in Sweden.

 

[Oozlefinch]

I agree with Fallen Angel. If they don't find anymore affiliations from the Chech's in Boston than they have it's more likely an isolated event like McVeigh. 'Peoples terror' though separate from large organizations can increase in frequency as a result of social tensions. I'd fear larger groups of immigrant uprisings like they have in Sweden.

I think many have missed what I was trying to say, let me try again.

I do not think this is part of a larger group, I think it was a small single cell. However, if they were using a "Blood in - blood out" system as part of their recruiting, then others may copy that and make it harder to infiltrate such groups.

 

[grip]

I think many have missed what I was trying to say, let me try again.

I do not think this is part of a larger group, I think it was a small single cell. However, if they were using a "Blood in - blood out" system as part of their recruiting, then others may copy that and make it harder to infiltrate such groups.

I agree that's a tough initiation to infiltrate for LEO but I don't believe it's going to be a major problem. I could be wrong.

 

[Oozlefinch]

I agree that's a tough initiation to infiltrate for LEO but I don't believe it's going to be a major problem. I could be wrong.

I hope it does not spread and become a norm for cell creation and recruitment. If it does, LEO worldwide will have big problems in infiltrating these groups.

 

[grip]

I hope it does not spread and become a norm for cell creation and recruitment. If it does, LEO worldwide will have big problems in infiltrating these groups.

Sometimes the worst thing you can do to increase recruitment is to persecute them. Chasing terrorism is like fighting the wind because it's an idea, not a singular identifiable group or nation.

 

[Fallenangel]

Like I said this phenomenon isn't new, it was already applied in Russia, Israel (including "binding" people by "blood ties" to a certain cell) and in other places around the world, it is indeed a new tendency in Europe and US though, and it is a very scary one too.

One of the difficulties with these closed and very very small structures (i.e sometimes they can include only a single person) is that they are redefining the term "terror" - what terror is, and who is considered a terrorist.

Security agencies, military, government, and most importantly ordinary people often find it hard to define these attacks as "terrorism", and find it even harder to accept the fact that behind these terror attacks stands not a single organisation or person, but a single idea or agenda that was planted and amplified by hatred, past grievances, poverty etc...
Unfortunately, without a clear definition, acceptance and understanding of the problem, it is impossible to devise strategies to confront these people.

Moreover, this "new terror" creates a very serious problem - one can fight an army, one can fight an organization, however it is nearly impossible to fight an idea, especially when most Western countries are still viewing the current war on terror in a traditional sense and understanding of this term, ignoring the changes that occurred on the "battlefield".


Cheers,
Fallen.

 

[Oozlefinch]

Like I said this phenomenon isn't new, it was already applied in Russia, Israel (including "binding" people by "blood ties" to a certain cell) and in other places around the world, it is indeed a new tendency in Europe and US though, and it is a very scary one too.

"Blood ties" are not always reliable. Remember, the Unabomber was turned in by his own brother.

Blood ties is not the same as Blood in. Family has often turned against family, we even have it described in the Bible, one of the oldest examples of a family history.

 

[Fallenangel]

"Blood ties" are not always reliable. Remember, the Unabomber was turned in by his own brother.
Blood ties is not the same as Blood in. Family has often turned against family, we even have it described in the Bible, one of the oldest examples of a family history.

Yeah I probably should have made myself clearer, by "blood ties" I meant pretty much the same thing you talking about in your OP (i.e killing someone to prove themselves etc..)

Cheers,
Fallen

 

[Fallenangel]

Here is a good example of what i mean by "peoples terror" (ignore the Hebrew commentary and skip to 0:21) sorry couldn't find video of a better quality.
(NOTE - all the employees of the crossing point are civilians that were hired by a security company).

26 October 2009 a Palestinian teenage girl passes through the metal detector:
Something weird was found in her bag (and the metal frame also beeped), it was taken with her other belongings for a second check.... like i said it needs only one person only one knife, and it doesn't really matter who is the target.



Cheers,
Fallen.