• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Are there unseen problems with hart beat laws?

independentusa

DP Veteran
Joined
Nov 10, 2016
Messages
14,607
Reaction score
9,305
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
How many states are passing so called heart beat laws. Making a fetus a "person" at the time of the first heart beat. So, what about all of the other laws this might effect. Like, can you use the "person" to claim a deduction on your state taxes, even though not born until after the first of the year? What about collecting child support from the father of the "child" as soon as they become a "person" under the law. What about collecting all kinds of state financed programs. There are unseen problems brought about when you make a fetus after the first heart beat a person under the law. I know, this is all about ending Roe, but some times there are unexpected consequences to making laws. This might be one.
 
What is the accepted measure to declare death? Brain activity? Maybe when a baby has brain activity it can be declared alive.
 
A person is dead if they have no heart beat and aren't breathing.
 

It's unConstitutional because of the violation of women's Constitutional rights, period.

If you make a law(s), dont you have to enforce them? In a manner that is Constitutional?
 
Here's a better question...


Does having a heart beat make one a human being?
 
Here's a better question...


Does having a heart beat make one a human being?

Very good point.

It's a physiological function we share will most other animals. What makes that 'special' or 'special enough' to override women's Constitutional rights? Like 'our right to a secure person (bodily sovereignty), due process, privacy?
 
If you can not terminate a pregnancy due to a heart beat, can you turn off life support on a patient if they have a heart beat?
 

It's also a BS law since the heartbeat may not be detectable until around 8 weeks.

And women often miss periods and dont realize they're late...6 weeks leaves almost no room for women to even realize they are pregnant or take the test.

It's another BS attempt to force a different decision from SCOTUS.
 
Its downright disgusting in Georgia. I know everyone's talking about the Alabama outright ban on choice but the Georgia one seems even worse.
In Alabama you can step over the state line and still have choice. In Georgia you face criminal prosecution for manslaughter. So they have decided to control a womans body no matter where she is even in another state. And you better not miscarry because you can be interrogated and prosecuted.
I'm waiting to see the first person include a fetus with no ss number on their taxes. Or the first woman that has a miscarriage and the state seems her irresponsible and charged her with manslaughter.
 
So a person on a heart lung machine is alive?

Sent from my Honor 8X using Tapatalk

Lol, ok.

A person with no unassisted heart beat or breathing is dead.
 
Maybe women who are concerned about becoming pregnant should take a test everytime they have sex or keep their legs shut

Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk
 

All good questions but it has nothing to do with the fact that murder is murder.
 
What is the accepted measure to declare death? Brain activity? Maybe when a baby has brain activity it can be declared alive.

That is no sooner than 21 weeks
 
If you can not terminate a pregnancy due to a heart beat, can you turn off life support on a patient if they have a heart beat?

Does a heart beat with or without supplemental oxygen?
 
So a person on a heart lung machine is alive?

Sent from my Honor 8X using Tapatalk

It depends. If the aren't brain dead, and that is measurable, then yes, they are alive. If, however, a person is considered brain dead, their hearts can beat independently, supposing adequate amount of oxygen is delivered to the tissues.
 

If someone murders a pregnant woman, he is charged with killing two people. Should he not be?
 
If someone murders a pregnant woman, he is charged with killing two people. Should he not be?
Yet the doctor can not be charged
 
Cookies are required to use this site. You must accept them to continue using the site. Learn more…