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Are there people on the left with enough honesty to acknowledge Rittenhouse acted in self defense?

ClaraD said:
if you are a danger to others, they will not let you out of the psychiatric holding unit.
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If he is making multiple death threats to multiple people, he is a danger to himself and others.
 
ClaraD said:
not disproven by either....the autopsy shows that the very first bullet was enough to take him down and the last one, went through his back and killed him. While the 2nd went through his hand, it does not prove that the first shot was not enough to stop him.....you will need to provide that testimony saying that the first shot would not have rendered him unable to run forward.....a shattered pelvis is something that is impossible to walk on and definitely impossible to run on.

www.yahoo.com

Kyle Rittenhouse closing arguments: Prosecutors call him 'wannabe soldier,' defense says he was attacked by 'mob'

Lawyers on both sides of the Kyle Rittenhouse murder trial gave their version of events in closing arguments after days of testimony and video.
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You made the assertion that it was not possible for a person to continue (moving) forward after having their pelvis shattered. Obviously, that first shot did not stop him from moving forward or “take him down” as your (new?) terminology seems to have become. When someone running after you has reached you they need not continue to run. A prosecution witness described what you are calling R’s “fall” as being a “lunge”.

Is the following quote the reason for supplying that link?

In the killing of Rosenbaum, Binger said, a bullet to the back was the fatal one, but Rittenhouse could have stopped after the first, which hit Rosenbaum's pelvis and caused him to fall, if he truly feared for his life.
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Asserting that KR’s (legitimate?) fear for his life ended in less than one second after firing the first shot is simply an opinion. KR had no idea if R was falling, or as the prosecution witness said, lunging at him. Real life does not operate in slow motion, simply because that is how the prosecution is able to make it appear with video technology.

The really odd part is that the prosecution did not even try to assert that KR shooting R was not justified, instead he argued only about how many shots ‘should have been’ fired.
 
ClaraD said:
death threats when he ran toward Rittenhouse? Can you show the audio and video that he was making death threats to Rittenhouse? My understanding is he had said he would kill anyone who he caught alone that night....but that he was being a loud mouth and it wasn't directed at Rittenhouse....can you show me that proof? not Rittenhouse's testimony either....but video or audio proof.
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Death threats are confermed from testimony by witnesses during the trial...oh just being a loud mouth...how convenient. It just doesn't fit your agenda of Rosenbaulm being an angel.
 
ClaraD said:
yep, bipolar disorder isn't what either that lawyer tried to paint it as nor is it what some of the folks here say it is...
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It is not being bipolar alone that describes his mental state. 2 suicide attempts, multiple death threats along with being a serial child rapist. Sorry, but he is still not an angel.
 
Linuxcooldude said:
Perhaps being bipolar, straight out if the mental hospital that same day had something to do with it. Besides, he threatened multiple people, not just kyle. Besides, its up to the prosecution to prove Kyle did something to provoke him, but no proof.
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Actually, below is a better explanation to what caused a deadly night in Kenosha

Prosecutors want a judge to allow evidence at Kyle Rittenhouse’s trial that shows he had a previous violent encounter in Kenosha before he fatally shot two men and injured another during a police brutality protest last year.

The state’s motion filed Thursday in Kenosha County Circuit Court also seeks to show Rittenhouse was associated with the far-right Proud Boys, a group linked to political violence.

Prosecutors want to introduce a video from July 1, 2020, which they say shows Rittenhouse striking a teenage girl in the back at Kenosha’s lakefront.

"In both the July 1, 2020 incident and the August 25, 2020 incident, the defendant, an Illinois resident, willingly and intentionally put himself in violent situations in Wisconsin that do not involve him in order to commit further acts of violence," the motion states.

Prosecutors also said Rittenhouse’s association with the Proud Boys should be considered at the trial because it shows he takes pride in violence.

Photos taken in January show Rittenhouse drinking inside a Mount Pleasant bar and gesturing with what appeared to be a white power symbol.

The motion states prosecutors have since learned the people with Rittenhouse at the bar included the leader of the Wisconsin Proud Boys chapter and several of its highest-ranking members
 
Linuxcooldude said:
Death threats are confermed from testimony by witnesses during the trial...oh just being a loud mouth...how convenient. It just doesn't fit your agenda of Rosenbaulm being an angel.
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What witness? Tucker Carlsons video lacky
 
Linuxcooldude said:
It is not being bipolar alone that describes his mental state. 2 suicide attempts, multiple death threats along with being a serial child rapist. Sorry, but he is still not an angel.
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2 suicide attempts? Not clinically associated with hurting others
 
ClaraD said:
except he didn't withdraw from the fight...he killed the guy.
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running away, while shouting "friendly friendly" meets the legal definition there in totality. usually people just run away without giving any kind of notice at all. In this case, it was clear, and rosenbaum, a mentally ill and aggressive person, chased him anyway.
 
Rosenbaum had never attended a protest, and seemed caught up in this one almost by accident. He carried a clear plastic bag containing a deodorant stick, underwear and socks that the hospital had given him upon discharge following his suicide attempt. In the seconds before he was shot, Rosenbaum threw the plastic bag at Rittenhouse and chased him behind some parked cars
 
bullseyelqcs said:
The exact same thing could be said for Rittenhouse, if we are being the least bit intellectually honest about the situation.

Only real difference between he and the victims in this instance is that one of them is probably gonna end up being held up as some sort of pillar and getting hella paid for thier stupidity.

There are no winners here.
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Rittenhouse was running away. He didn't attack anyone. Any comparison to his actions is morally relativistic victim blaming.
 
Sand Castle said:
Actually, below is a better explanation to what caused a deadly night in Kenosha

Prosecutors want a judge to allow evidence at Kyle Rittenhouse’s trial that shows he had a previous violent encounter in Kenosha before he fatally shot two men and injured another during a police brutality protest last year.

The state’s motion filed Thursday in Kenosha County Circuit Court also seeks to show Rittenhouse was associated with the far-right Proud Boys, a group linked to political violence.

Prosecutors want to introduce a video from July 1, 2020, which they say shows Rittenhouse striking a teenage girl in the back at Kenosha’s lakefront.

"In both the July 1, 2020 incident and the August 25, 2020 incident, the defendant, an Illinois resident, willingly and intentionally put himself in violent situations in Wisconsin that do not involve him in order to commit further acts of violence," the motion states.

Prosecutors also said Rittenhouse’s association with the Proud Boys should be considered at the trial because it shows he takes pride in violence.

Photos taken in January show Rittenhouse drinking inside a Mount Pleasant bar and gesturing with what appeared to be a white power symbol.

The motion states prosecutors have since learned the people with Rittenhouse at the bar included the leader of the Wisconsin Proud Boys chapter and several of its highest-ranking members
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Proud boys is immaterial as looking at his phone and social media records has no association with them other than a chance meeting at a bar, if that really was the case. The fight with a girl was in defence of a family member.

Rosenbaulm has a long felony record with a violent past with unstable mental problems. No comparison with who the trouble maker really is and it's not Kyle.
 
Sand Castle said:
2 suicide attempts? Not clinically associated with hurting others
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Not nessicarily. He was telling others to shoot him. So letting an unstable suicidal mental patient access to a gun, who may shoot others, then himself, is not out of the question. Best not to test that theory out. Since he is a serial rapist, I would certainly say he hurts others.
 
Metric Mouse said:
Rittenhouse was running away. He didn't attack anyone. Any comparison to his actions is morally relativistic victim blaming.
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Yah, he was running away from a man with a plastic bag with a bar of soap. But the lie, Rittenhouse said he mistook the plastic bag for a chain.

What a nice conveinent lie the Rittenhouse and the lawyers came up with to make Rosenbaum appear dangerous.
 
Linuxcooldude said:
Proud boys is immaterial as looking at his phone and social media records has no association with them other than a chance meeting at a bar, if that really was the case. The fight with a girl was in defence of a family member.

Rosenbaulm has a long felony record with a violent past with unstable mental problems. No comparison with who the trouble maker really is and it's not Kyle.
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Weird a chance meeting with the proud boys, doesn't pass the smell test
 
Linuxcooldude said:
Not nessicarily. He was telling others to shoot him. So letting an unstable suicidal mental patient access to a gun, who may shoot others, then himself, is not out of the question. Best not to test that theory out. Since he is a serial rapist, I would certainly say he hurts others.
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Left field
 
Sand Castle said:
Yah, he was running away from a man with a plastic bag with a bar of soap. But the lie, Rittenhouse said he mistook the plastic bag for a chain.

What a nice conveinent lie the Rittenhouse and the lawyers came up with to make Rosenbaum appear dangerous.
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Yes, he had a chain which he carried in his left hand, with the plastic bag in his right.

www.wisconsinrightnow.com

Joseph Rosenbaum Armed With Chain Just Prior To Shooting

New video now sheds light on what Kyle Rittnhouse may have faced as he tried to run from Joseph Rosenbaum just prior to fatally shooting him.
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Sand Castle said:
Yah, he was running away from a man with a plastic bag with a bar of soap. But the lie, Rittenhouse said he mistook the plastic bag for a chain.

What a nice conveinent lie the Rittenhouse and the lawyers came up with to make Rosenbaum appear dangerous.
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He was dangerous because he had threatened to kill Rittenhouse earlier, and then lunged for his rifle. He was earlier armed with a chain.
 

MSNBC banned from courthouse after so-called producer followed jurors​

 
DarkWizard12 said:
running away, while shouting "friendly friendly" meets the legal definition there in totality. usually people just run away without giving any kind of notice at all. In this case, it was clear, and rosenbaum, a mentally ill and aggressive person, chased him anyway.
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he was yelling friendly friendly before he shot Rosenbaum...but no, that doesn't meet the definition of okay I give up....
 
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