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Are mercenaries the future?

Andyh2299

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Are mercenaries the future? We seen now Putin is very reliant on Wagner mercs for the Russian people might not be fully wanting to be in the war. PMCs are a way for governments to enforce their will without getting the people angry
 
I prefer my military to be oath-sworn government issue variety.
A merc doesn't swear an oath to anything but a paycheck.
Next you'll be recommending privately owned law enforcement, I bet.
 
I prefer my military to be oath-sworn government issue variety.
A merc doesn't swear an oath to anything but a paycheck.
Next you'll be recommending privately owned law enforcement, I bet.
Well I am a merc.

The problem is that nations are not the most loyal to their cause. Just look at what we did to the Kurds in Syria.
 
Well I am a merc.

The problem is that nations are not the most loyal to their cause. Just look at what we did to the Kurds in Syria.

You said you're a security guard.
Sorry but I could say I am a nuclear physicist but, at least up until 1986, my father could prove that I am not, because he WAS a nuclear physicist.
You'll have to prove that you're a merc because too many people here at DP and on other boards make all kinds of claims.
I'm challenging yours.

The problem with mercs is that they tend to "better deal" themselves if the notion suits their fancy, or their parent corporation tends to step in to do so instead, often at the expense of the people.
You might as well state that you'd favor Navy ships with crews composed of pirates.
Again, hard pass on mercs, I refuse to allow a corporation to conduct foreign policy and defense, because there is no accountability.
Same with law enforcement and corrections.
Some things are never meant to be privatized for obvious reasons.

"We" did nothing to the Kurds.
Your hero Donald Trump did it.
 
I have enough experience to work in let's say guarding convoys. Maybe not Academi

Okay is the state held accountable? Like the bombs it dropped and drugs it sold? What is the difference now between a state and a corporation?
 
I have enough experience to work in let's say guarding convoys. Maybe not Academi
Okay is the state held accountable? Like the bombs it dropped and drugs it sold? What is the difference now between a state and a corporation?

Again, I will not be taking your word for it when you say you're a merc.
Is the state held accountable? There are legal ways for the people to force accountability, and making vague references to "the bombs we dropped" is meaningless.

If you're a soldier, sailor, airman or marine and you violate the UCMJ you will be court martialed more often than not.
If a merc commits similar offenses, chances are they will NOT face any disciplinary action beyond maybe being fired.

Only three or four Blackwater mercs ever faced justice for what they did in Iraq, out of the hundreds who sometimes did far worse.
 
Well I am a merc.

The problem is that nations are not the most loyal to their cause. Just look at what we did to the Kurds in Syria.
Being a security guard in the US doesn't make you a mercenary. You're being pathetic and exaggerating to make yourself feel cooler than you are. In another thread you argued you being a security guard is "serving your country" and we should all thank you for it. Totally pathetic and delusional.

Mercenaries are a terrible idea and are absolutely not the future of warfare. They lack any sense of accountability or duty, which is specifically why countries like Russia use them, so they can commit horrendous war crimes then Russia can publicly shrug and say "that wasn't us, that was these mercenaries that have nothing to do with the Russian government!"

No, we're not going to be emulating that, so throw this on the already huge pile of stupid threads you've made.
 

.....we already did emulate that. America made heavy use of “contractors” in both Iraq and Afghanistan, and in Iraq in particular they certainly committed war crimes. The President of the United States went out of his way to pardon the thugs who carried them out.

It’s really telling that you apparently don’t know that.
 
Are mercenaries the future? We seen now Putin is very reliant on Wagner mercs for the Russian people might not be fully wanting to be in the war. PMCs are a way for governments to enforce their will without getting the people angry
Well I am a merc.

The problem is that nations are not the most loyal to their cause. Just look at what we did to the Kurds in Syria.

No, mercenaries are not the future nor should they be confused with PMCs. Relation but are not the same thing, perhaps amplifying why the forum is having a good deal of fun are your expense with your suggestion that you are one.
 
How do people come up with this stuff?
 
Are mercenaries the future? We seen now Putin is very reliant on Wagner mercs for the Russian people might not be fully wanting to be in the war. PMCs are a way for governments to enforce their will without getting the people angry
Wagner isn't really a mercenary company. they are the deniable arm of the russian military.
 
Well I am a merc.

The problem is that nations are not the most loyal to their cause. Just look at what we did to the Kurds in Syria.
I was for more than a decade. What company you with?
 
Anyone willing to work as a mercenary is someone of poor moral character and we should not trust our secuirty to them.
 
The reputable companies really aren't like that.

And they're much cheaper than a unit of US military of comparable size and capability.
 
Are mercenaries the future? We seen now Putin is very reliant on Wagner mercs for the Russian people might not be fully wanting to be in the war. PMCs are a way for governments to enforce their will without getting the people angry
No thanks.
 
Mercenaries don't seem to be doing well for Russia.
 
How do you know?

Is blackwater a "reputable company"?
I know because I did it for over a decade.

Reputable companies include the previously mentioned ACADEMI (formerly blackwater), G4S, and Amentum (I worked for them when it was Dyncorp).

Blackwater had it's problems but after they got their butts handed to them in Yemen (2009 I think) they have shaped up to a considerable degree.

I also spent a lot of time with Executive Outcomes, which you've probably never heard of since they were South African.
 
The reputable companies really aren't like that.

And they're much cheaper than a unit of US military of comparable size and capability.
Call me crazy, but if we're going to make war, I insist that those doing so have to sign their name, swear an oath and subject themselves to service to the Constitution under penalty of disciplinary action on behalf of The People of the United States of America if a G.I. (Government Issue) soldier screws up.

If costs are that much of a concern then that should be taken into consideration when mulling over the decision to GO TO WAR in the first place.
Mercs are incompatible with democracy, sorry.

And just to be clear, even if, as you say, many mercs are good principled people, look at "your boss".
HE moved to a non-extradition dictatorship in the Middle East so that he could live as a pasha emperor unaccountable to anyone, a billionaire with his own private army.
Sorry but that is a danger to every democracy on Earth.
 
Reputable companies include the previously mentioned ACADEMI (formerly blackwater)

Ah, so I can completely disregard what you say.

Blackwater are murderers for hire, nothing more. Your judgement on this flat stinks IMO.

Blackwater had it's problems but after they got their butts handed to them in Yemen (2009 I think) they have shaped up to a considerable degree.

I dont care that they got their butts handed to them, I heartily cheer for that, I'm far more concerned with all the humans they murder for corporate (and self) enrichment.
 
I have enough experience to work in let's say guarding convoys. Maybe not Academi

Okay is the state held accountable? Like the bombs it dropped and drugs it sold? What is the difference now between a state and a corporation?
Sure you right!

 
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