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Are Google, Amazon and Facebook monopolies?

ARe Google, Amazon, and Facebook monopolies that need to be breaken up?

  • They're not but they should be broken up for other reasons

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You've probably heard that Google, Amazon, and Facebook are monopolies that need to be broken up. For those who know a little bit of history, antitrust law is meant to prevent companies from using their economic leverage to screw over customers, mainly in the form of price gouging. Now Facebook and Google don't charge people to use their services. But there's the thing, both companies sell your data to advertisers. This has led to a real concern over privacy.

As an article puts it:

It is common knowledge that a fax machine is worthless until others have one too. That is what is happening in social networking except that, unlike a fax machine, it can't be instantly swapped for another. It is easy to change search engines, even if it is Google. But if you change social networks you not only have to move all your videos, audios, messages, photos elsewhere but you also lose your network of friends unless they migrate with you.

So it seems like Facebook is a monopoly and needs to be broken up but hold on, the quote continues:
MySpace won't make that easy. Its massive user base will help maintain its dominance, according to co-founder Chris DeWolfe. "In social networking, there is a huge advantage to have scale. You can find almost anyone on MySpace and the more time that has been invested in the site, the more locked in people are".

The article is titled Will MySpace ever lose its monopoly: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2007/feb/08/business.comment

It was published in 2007. Less than two years later, Facebook became the largest social media platform.

Now maybe Facebook is different. After all, it has far more users than MySpace ever did. And its userbase is growing

But that's a worldwide statistic. When we just focus on the US, growth is far less impressive. In fact, almost all of it happened from 2008 to 2011. And it stopped growing since 2017.

Furthermore, young people are ditching it for other platforms like Snapchat or Tik Tok.


Now onto Google. Google has held a large percentage of the search engine market for awhile. With Google holding 92% of the search engine market, maybe it's a monopoly.

Hold on there a sec. Back in 1998, there was an article titled How Yahoo Won the Search Wars. Like MySpace, it lost its title to the current holder only a few years later.

Now Google has been dominant for a longer period of time than Facebook but there is a parallel that exists a generation ago. You see, back in the late 90s, there was allegation that Microsoft was a monopoly. They were even taken to court in United States v. Microsoft. The same thing that could be said about Google's search engine was said about Microsoft's web browser: internet explorer which held 90% market share at its peak. However, it lost ground to Firefox and was eventually overtaken by Google Chrome.

If we go back another generation, we see IBM at its peak in the 70s. They had been around since 1912 but they saw an opportunity in selling mainframe computers. IBM was accused of being a monopoly and there was even an antitrust case. IBM eventually lost dominance with the rise of the PC.

They say that history repeats itself. Obviously, we can't be sure that Google won't remain dominant for awhile but I think we're starting to notice a pattern here.

Now Amazon is a bit more tricky because they're involved in the distribution of goods as opposed to non scarce markets like search engines, web browsers, or social media. When we look at recent data, as of 2021, Amazon's market share of ecommerce is 50% which is up from 34%
But Amazon doesn't just compete with online retailers, it also competes with brick and mortar stores as well. Even if Amazon held 100% of the online retail market, it's total market share of retail would be less than 20%. Although online retail as a percent of total retail is on the rise, it's only 13.6%. Even at it's peek in 2020, it was only 15.7%.
 
Facebook definitely isn't a monopoly. It isn't even particularly dominant in social media.

The other two dominate their industries, but aren't really monopolies. There's nothing preventing someone else from writing a better search engine than Google, or building a better supply chain than Amazon.

I think most of Amazon's profits these days aren't even in its retail business though. They come from AWS, where Amazon is definitely not a monopoly.
 
But if you change social networks you not only have to move all your videos, audios, messages, photos elsewhere but you also lose your network of friends unless they migrate with you.

This is a bit like saying that a landlord who owns one apartment (the one you rent) is a monopolist, because if you want to live in a different apartment you have to move all your belongings elsewhere, and you'll lose all your neighbors, unless they move to your new neighborhood.
 
Facebook definitely isn't a monopoly. It isn't even particularly dominant in social media.

The other two dominate their industries, but aren't really monopolies. There's nothing preventing someone else from writing a better search engine than Google, or building a better supply chain than Amazon.

I think most of Amazon's profits these days aren't even in its retail business though. They come from AWS, where Amazon is definitely not a monopoly.

66% of people who use social media have a Facebook account so yes it is the dominant form of social media.

Social media only works if it’s dominant though so I don’t see how breaking up Facebook would help

Now google and Amazon are a different story.

Let’s start with Amazon. I don’t see them as a traditional monopoly because they are just a store and there are many like them. Where they have issues are allowing counterfeit merchandise and anti competitive practices like ripping off their own seller’s products.

Google is on a whole different level of anticompetitive practices. For a company that’s motto claims to be “don’t be evil” they are the face of the technological devil.

Path dependence is very important in technology which is what you are still typing with the QWERTY keyboard designed with important keys spaced apart to prevent jamming on slow typewriters.

So while someone could write a better search engine, if google didn’t just buy it up first it could never gain traction just like the better laid out DVORAK keyboard used to set typing records. Google is as ingrained as QWERTY at this point.
 
66% of people who use social media have a Facebook account so yes it is the dominant form of social media.
That's not what I would call dominant, but ymmv.
Let’s start with Amazon. I don’t see them as a traditional monopoly because they are just a store and there are many like them. Where they have issues are allowing counterfeit merchandise and anti competitive practices like ripping off their own seller’s products.
Agreed, if they are actually copying the products then that probably violates some IP laws.
Google is on a whole different level of anticompetitive practices. For a company that’s motto claims to be “don’t be evil” they are the face of the technological devil.

Path dependence is very important in technology which is what you are still typing with the QWERTY keyboard designed with important keys spaced apart to prevent jamming on slow typewriters.

So while someone could write a better search engine, if google didn’t just buy it up first it could never gain traction just like the better laid out DVORAK keyboard used to set typing records. Google is as ingrained as QWERTY at this point.
What path dependence is at play here? If someone builds a better search engine, it doesn't take much effort for people to learn to type in some new URL when they want to do a search.
 
That's not what I would call dominant, but ymmv.

2.8 billion people use Facebook… that’s not dominant?

What path dependence is at play here? If someone builds a better search engine, it doesn't take much effort for people to learn to type in some new URL when they want to do a search.
The number 1 search on bing is google. Google is the default search engine built into every smart device. I can’t even remember the last time I actually typed in googles URL yet I use it every day… that’s path dependence
 
2.8 billion people use Facebook… that’s not dominant?
Ehh, not really. There are plenty of other social media platforms that people also use. If Facebook pisses off its user base, it wouldn't really be that hard for them to switch to some other platform.
The number 1 search on bing is google. Google is the default search engine built into every smart device. I can’t even remember the last time I actually typed in googles URL… that’s path dependence
I'm skeptical that learning the name/URL of a different search engine is such a barrier that it would protect Google if their search engine was inferior to a new one.

I agree about being the default search engine on smart devices: that's arguably monopolistic and anti-competitive, particularly for devices that are part of the Android ecosystem. But for devices made by Amazon/Apple/someone else, it wouldn't be that hard to drop Google as the default search engine if there was a consumer demand for it.
 
Ehh, not really. There are plenty of other social media platforms that people also use. If Facebook pisses off its user base, it wouldn't really be that hard for them to switch to some other platform.

Every social media is different none of them are really even direct competitors with each other.

I'm skeptical that learning the name/URL of a different search engine is such a barrier that it would protect Google if their search engine was inferior to a new one.

I agree about being the default search engine on smart devices: that's arguably monopolistic and anti-competitive, particularly for devices that are part of the Android ecosystem. But for devices made by Amazon/Apple/someone else, it wouldn't be that hard to drop Google as the default search engine if there was a consumer demand for it.
Again you are missing the point about path dependence. It’s already too late, yes typing a URL is not an imposition but people don’t type URLs for search engines anymore and as children grow up they will have only ever known how to do a web search by just typing their query into the address bar.
 
Again you are missing the point about path dependence. It’s already too late, yes typing a URL is not an imposition but people don’t type URLs for search engines anymore and as children grow up they will have only ever known how to do a web search by just typing their query into the address bar.
Maybe the kids these days do it differently from old fogies like me. I always type in Google when I want to do a search.
 
They are not monopolies they are just extremely extremely popular.
 
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The main reason people used Microsoft Explorer was to find a better browser.

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Well, duh, of course they are de facto monopolies.

We tell people to "google" some results on a topic. We don't say, "I think I will bing some results."
We automatically think of Amazon when we are in a rush to buy something.
We constantly hear of people losing their minds because Facebook has suspended or banned them.
 
You've probably heard that Google, Amazon, and Facebook are monopolies that need to be broken up. For those who know a little bit of history, antitrust law is meant to prevent companies from using their economic leverage to screw over customers, mainly in the form of price gouging. Now Facebook and Google don't charge people to use their services. But there's the thing, both companies sell your data to advertisers. This has led to a real concern over privacy.

As an article puts it:

It is common knowledge that a fax machine is worthless until others have one too. That is what is happening in social networking except that, unlike a fax machine, it can't be instantly swapped for another. It is easy to change search engines, even if it is Google. But if you change social networks you not only have to move all your videos, audios, messages, photos elsewhere but you also lose your network of friends unless they migrate with you.

So it seems like Facebook is a monopoly and needs to be broken up but hold on, the quote continues:
MySpace won't make that easy. Its massive user base will help maintain its dominance, according to co-founder Chris DeWolfe. "In social networking, there is a huge advantage to have scale. You can find almost anyone on MySpace and the more time that has been invested in the site, the more locked in people are".

The article is titled Will MySpace ever lose its monopoly: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2007/feb/08/business.comment

It was published in 2007. Less than two years later, Facebook became the largest social media platform.

Now maybe Facebook is different. After all, it has far more users than MySpace ever did. And its userbase is growing

But that's a worldwide statistic. When we just focus on the US, growth is far less impressive. In fact, almost all of it happened from 2008 to 2011. And it stopped growing since 2017.

Furthermore, young people are ditching it for other platforms like Snapchat or Tik Tok.


Now onto Google. Google has held a large percentage of the search engine market for awhile. With Google holding 92% of the search engine market, maybe it's a monopoly.

Hold on there a sec. Back in 1998, there was an article titled How Yahoo Won the Search Wars. Like MySpace, it lost its title to the current holder only a few years later.

Now Google has been dominant for a longer period of time than Facebook but there is a parallel that exists a generation ago. You see, back in the late 90s, there was allegation that Microsoft was a monopoly. They were even taken to court in United States v. Microsoft. The same thing that could be said about Google's search engine was said about Microsoft's web browser: internet explorer which held 90% market share at its peak. However, it lost ground to Firefox and was eventually overtaken by Google Chrome.

If we go back another generation, we see IBM at its peak in the 70s. They had been around since 1912 but they saw an opportunity in selling mainframe computers. IBM was accused of being a monopoly and there was even an antitrust case. IBM eventually lost dominance with the rise of the PC.

They say that history repeats itself. Obviously, we can't be sure that Google won't remain dominant for awhile but I think we're starting to notice a pattern here.

Now Amazon is a bit more tricky because they're involved in the distribution of goods as opposed to non scarce markets like search engines, web browsers, or social media. When we look at recent data, as of 2021, Amazon's market share of ecommerce is 50% which is up from 34%
But Amazon doesn't just compete with online retailers, it also competes with brick and mortar stores as well. Even if Amazon held 100% of the online retail market, it's total market share of retail would be less than 20%. Although online retail as a percent of total retail is on the rise, it's only 13.6%. Even at it's peek in 2020, it was only 15.7%.
Walmart's retail revenue is five times that of Amazon (559B vs 108B in 2020).

So no, Amazon isn't a monopoly.
 
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There is a difference between a true monopoly and the centralization of business power in the hands of the few.

Google, Amazon, and Facebook all have competition be it not all in the same regard. Being dominant in a marketplace is also not a monopoly, but they are often examples of vulture capitalism where competition has a very hard time finding market share.
 
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The main reason people used Microsoft Explorer was to find a better browser.


I sometimes wonder if MS Edge is just a way to make the numbers look better...
 
Well, duh, of course they are de facto monopolies.

We tell people to "google" some results on a topic. We don't say, "I think I will bing some results."
We automatically think of Amazon when we are in a rush to buy something.
We constantly hear of people losing their minds because Facebook has suspended or banned them.

Ever made a xerox or used a kleenex?
 
There's many other search engines out there... I'm old I remember when Yahoo was a popular and dominate search engine.. But they F'ed up, now they are an afterthought. If Google F's up they too will be replaced, because again, there's a lot of other engines out there..

So no, I wouldn't call Google a Monopoly, nor Amazon, there's a ton of brick and mortar AND online competition out there. FB, I'm not on, never have been, never will be, so I won't offer an opinion on them...
 
There's many other search engines out there... I'm old I remember when Yahoo was a popular and dominate search engine.. But they F'ed up, now they are an afterthought. If Google F's up they too will be replaced, because again, there's a lot of other engines out there..

So no, I wouldn't call Google a Monopoly, nor Amazon, there's a ton of brick and mortar AND online competition out there. FB, I'm not on, never have been, never will be, so I won't offer an opinion on them...

The Facebook is a monopoly argument is always funny to me... Facebooks market is DIGITAL ADVERTISERS.. To argue they have a monopoly on digital advertising is ludicrous.
 
It has become a monopoly of popularity, if not for the fact that so many people like it, it would not be so successful
 
I searched "Is Google a monopoly" on Bing, DuckDuckGo and Yahoo and got results from all three claiming Google is a monopoly for internet searching, which I think represents the state of this debate quite clearly. :cool:
 
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