Are "Get Out the Vote!" campaigns good or bad?

[Manc Skipper]

I'm all for it. The conservatives have driven me to the polls to vote against them for the last four elections!

 

[VanceMack]

No.

When asked to provide examples of people convicted of voter fraud, you came up with nothing.

I didnt make allegations of voter fraud. And you would have to be an absolute ****ing moron to not see how people encouraging illegal voter registration might not be ENCOURAGING voter fraud. It was the other guy that moved the goal post...likely because he knows just how many times liberal agencies have been caught with fraudulent voter registration activities. And funny enough...you guys are like meh...well...big deal...its just voter registration fraud....

The reason why voter registration fraud is seen by folks as being no big deal is it is primarily democrat supporting agencies.

 

[VanceMack]

speculation apparently:

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WASHINGTON -- Nearly a third of the state's 110 election authorities failed to ship out ballots to military and overseas voters by the federal deadline of Sept. 18, but Illinois election officials say they are working with the U.S. Justice Department to ensure all the ballots are counted by the deadline Nov. 16.
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I see accusations in there but not anything much on the conclusive side.

Its OK...I never for a second thought you would try very hard to. None so blind as those that refuse to see.

 

[VanceMack]

12 former officials indicted for voter fraud - Live, Local, Late Breaking news, weather, and sports

Interesting to see how THIS case turns out...

 

[haymarket]

I didnt make allegations of voter fraud. And you would have to be an absolute ****ing moron to not see how people encouraging illegal voter registration might not be ENCOURAGING voter fraud. It was the other guy that moved the goal post...likely because he knows just how many times liberal agencies have been caught with fraudulent voter registration activities. And funny enough...you guys are like meh...well...big deal...its just voter registration fraud....

The reason why voter registration fraud is seen by folks as being no big deal is it is primarily democrat supporting agencies.

YOU introduced the idea of voter fraud.

Baloney. BS. A truckload of manure.

Here is your post #4

They are ALWAYS bad when they encourage people to lie, pay and induce people to register illegally, or encourage voter fraud. ALWAYS.

You introduced the idea of voter fraud. And you can prove no voter fraud. Epic FAIL.

 

[VanceMack]

YOU introduced the idea of voter fraud.

Baloney. BS. A truckload of manure.

Here is your post #4



You introduced the idea of voter fraud. And you can prove no voter fraud. Epic FAIL.

You have a reading comprehension problem. Intentional or just becuse you are a moron. You choose which.

 

[lpast]

I believe elections today are not all on the up and up, but I also believe they are kept more honest than they were in the past....there was a time when politicians used the police to go to peoples houses and coerce them to go vote and then drove them to the polls in police cars and paddy wagons....those days are long gone but they did exist...

 

[haymarket]

You have a reading comprehension problem. Intentional or just becuse you are a moron. You choose which.

You were caught making a statement you could not back up or provide any verification for. Then you attempted the classic move of moving the goalposts and trying to pretend you really did not say what you did say and ratchet it down considerably. Calling me names and issuing personal attacks does not change what you stated and what you did.

They are ALWAYS bad when they encourage people to lie, pay and induce people to register illegally, or encourage voter fraud. ALWAYS.

That was in post #4.
This is post #10 in which your opening paragraph continues to use the phrase VOTER FRAUD but what you give us is a litany of voter registration issues:

That was a general statement. It means ALL voter fraud, from rounding up homeless people and bribing them with smokes and alcohol to the allegations against conservatives for voter intimidation. ALL voter fraud is illegal and all that commit voter fraud should go to jail. Anyone that subborns it should go to jail. But if you want a small sampling...(and if you have some evidence towards conservative voter fraud I'd agree that was corrupt as hell as well). Now...mind you this isnt talking about alleged vote supression, tampering with voting machines, denying military votes, losing bags of ballots, or suddenly, mysteriously finding bags of ballots weeks later.

2008
In Harris County, nearly 10,000 ACORN-submitted registrations were found to be invalid, including many with clearly fraudulent addresses or other personal information.

2008
ACORN turned in the voter registration form of David Young, who told reporters “The signature is not my signature. It’s not even close.” His social security number and date of birth were also incorrect.

VA
2005
In 2005, the Virginia State Board of Elections admonished Project Vote and ACORN for turning in a significant number of faulty voter registrations. An audit revealed that 83% of sampled registrations that were rejected for carrying false or questionable information were submitted by Project Vote. Many of these registrations carried social security numbers that exist for other people, listed non-existent or commercial addresses, or were for convicted felons in violation of state and federal election law.

In a letter to ACORN, the State Board of Elections reported that 56% of the voter registration applications ACORN turned in were ineligible. Further, a full 35% were not submitted in a timely manner, as required by law. The State Board of Elections also commented on what appeared to be evidence of intentional voter fraud. "Additionally,” they wrote, “information appears to have been altered on some applications where information given by the applicant in one color ink has been scratched through and re-entered in another color ink. Any alteration of a voter registration application is a Class 5 Felony in accordance with § 24.2-1009 of the Code of Virginia."

WA
2007
Three ACORN employees pleaded guilty, and four more were charged, in the worst case of voter registration fraud in Washington state history. More than 2,000 fraudulent voter registration cards were submitted by the group during a voter registration drive.


WI
2008
At least 33,000 ACORN-submitted registrations in Milwaukee have been called into question after it was found that the organizations had been using felons as registration workers, in violation of state election rules. Two people involved in the ongoing Wisconsin voter fraud investigation have been charged with felonies.

when you were called on this by myself and others, you attempted to move the goal posts in post #29

I stated get out the vote campaigns are good except where you have instances of fraud. I cited a pretty significant amount of voter REGISTRATION FRAUD. Didnt I?

Again, you use the two terms as if they are one and the same which they are not.

Then in post #52 we get this more emotional and insulting post from you

I didnt make allegations of voter fraud. And you would have to be an absolute ****ing moron to not see how people encouraging illegal voter registration might not be ENCOURAGING voter fraud.

Go back to your first post - #4 - and you clearly used the term VOTER FRAUD. You were not talking about registrations.


This is not only you VM. Many on the right have adopted this tactic on this subject. They toss out a term like VOTER FRAUD just like you did and when they get caught on it they back away claiming that they were really talking bout voter registration problems.... and then they offer the lamest and most intellectually dishonest excuse.... well its pretty much the same thing.

I read very well thank you. And I comprehend wonderfully.

 

[haymarket]

Also one other thing just to clarify what get out the vote is and what it means to me: I have worked on many campaigns and have even managed a recent campaign for a successful State Rep seat here in Michigan. I have advised other candidates and have been part of candidate training sessions as well. Most of my work is in primary elections.

When we use the term GOTV - Get Out The Vote - we are almost always talking about identifying voters who are likely to vote for your candidate and then making sure they actually do get to the polls - or absentee - and vote for that same candidate. Rarely do we use voter registration as a part of that for several reasons.

1) its very time consuming and takes away from the actual campaign itself
2) it can be expensive as you normally have to hire people to do this job and that takes away from the actual campaign budget
3) the voters we key in on are established voters with a record of voting in a primary election - and newly registered voters normally do NOT vote in a primary

Both major parties try to register new voters and organizations try to register new voters as well. However, the normal GOTV campaign is in the last stages of the election campaign and in our state it is too late to register anyone. That would differ in same day registration and voter states.

 

[VanceMack]

You were caught making a statement you could not back up or provide any verification for. Then you attempted the classic move of moving the goalposts and trying to pretend you really did not say what you did say and ratchet it down considerably. Calling me names and issuing personal attacks does not change what you stated and what you did.



That was in post #4.
This is post #10 in which your opening paragraph continues to use the phrase VOTER FRAUD but what you give us is a litany of voter registration issues:



when you were called on this by myself and others, you attempted to move the goal posts in post #29



Again, you use the two terms as if they are one and the same which they are not.

Then in post #52 we get this more emotional and insulting post from you



Go back to your first post - #4 - and you clearly used the term VOTER FRAUD. You were not talking about registrations.


This is not only you VM. Many on the right have adopted this tactic on this subject. They toss out a term like VOTER FRAUD just like you did and when they get caught on it they back away claiming that they were really talking bout voter registration problems.... and then they offer the lamest and most intellectually dishonest excuse.... well its pretty much the same thing.

I read very well thank you. And I comprehend wonderfully.

I clearly stated it was wrong via the voter registration drives to ENCOURAGE VOTER FRAUD. Knowingly and intentionally engaging in FRAUDULENT VOTER REGISTRATION encourages voter fruad. I gewt why you refuse to see it. There are a whoooooole lot of democrat groups out there ENCOURAGING voter fraud by engaging in illegal and fraudulent voter registration. You know it.

 

[samsmart]

Are "Get Out the Vote!" campaigns good or bad?

I am no fan of them. Obtaining even minimal information of the candidates and issues is absurdly easy, and if a person does not already care enough to pay attention and then go vote, then I see no point in goading them to do so. Plus, I feel that most people who vote in this manner are more likely to be uninformed when it comes to the candidates and issues and are more likely to be led to other people's voting desires without independent thought of their own. I'd rather my side lose because thoughtful voters disagreed with me than my side win because a bunch of easily led voters were dredged up and skewed the results.

I don't mind "Get Out The Vote!" campaigns.

However, I would rather celebrities also include a "Get In The Know!" campaign along with it. People should educate themselves on the stances of these politicians if they're going to vote for them. That's just as important as voting for a candidate.

 

[Thrilla]

I don't mind them , as i'm not an opponent of political/electioneering speech.