Are bigger liberal cities dangerous? (a question beyond belief)

[Luce]

Covid, SARS, swine flu and other future viruses will spread more through the city b/c ppl are closer together than they are in say Dallas TX. Is NYC dangerous b/c it has ppl from all over the world and so compacted together like most major cities? Do any of you worry about getting diseases living there?

It's very scary. Very dangerous. Stay on the farm.

 

[Luce]

No.

The Rotten Apple is dangerous because a lot of home-grown hoodlums are allowed to run wild by the district attorney who cries buckets of tears for the little darlings.

That's why those hoodlums last year murdered a DOZEN (!!!) subway riders.

The mayor of that nightmare city thought that a dozen murders were not so bad given the millions of daily subway riders.

The crazy people of that city elected their horrible district attorney and their horrible mayor. So those voters are responsible for the nightmare that NYC is.

Here in Los Angeles, the voters failed to kick out the bleeding-heart district attorney.
Maybe they wanted to protect their hoodlum relatives.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that you're talking about black folks. Given your posting history.

 

[emilseine]

But I read an article that said rats are worse in cities. And with rats come stats. Bam bada bing!

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Yeah but didn't the middle class move out of NYC? I read in an article online that major cities cause way more diseases b/c of the rat populus.

Nope.
The MIDDLE class always lived outside of Manhattan because Manhattan has ALWAYS been very expensive.
You're probably thinking of Brooklyn or some other part of the metro area, and even so, Brooklyn continues to thrive.
Both the Italian and German Jewish side of my family all are New Yorkers, the Jewish side lived in the city proper while the Italians live on Long Island.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

But I read an article that said rats are worse in cities. And with rats come stats. Bam bada bing!

Depends on which part of the city.

 

[BitterPill]

Seinfeld may have been set in NYC, but it was filmed in Los Angeles which is the definition of sprawl.

Wait... what?

I'm with @emilseine on this one. Seinfeld was definitely filmed in New York's Upper West Side, but at least one episode was filmed in LA, and it is, indeed, very funny:



MAGA.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Seinfeld may have been set in NYC, but it was filmed in Los Angeles which is the definition of sprawl.

Now you're drawing studies from a sitcom?
Wow.
By the way, it is impossible to compare NYC with L.A. because NYC has a thriving downtown, and is much more vertical than LA.
LA is a huge patchwork of suburbs knitted together by an even more vast network of freeways, and the only people who focus on DOWNTOWN LA are lawyers, accountants, garment factory people and industrialist types.
Aside from the Convention Center and some famous old landmarks there isn't a huge "downtown scene" in LA and hasn't been for well over fifty years.
LA is HORIZONTAL, spread out.

Minneapolis has a more vibrant downtown scene than Los Angeles.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Covid, SARS, swine flu and other future viruses will spread more through the city b/c ppl are closer together than they are in say Dallas TX. Is NYC dangerous b/c it has ppl from all over the world and so compacted together like most major cities? Do any of you worry about getting diseases living there?

Tell us about the extent of your living locations.
I grew up in the DC suburbs of Maryland (1957-1977), moved to Minneapolis (1977-1982) then moved to Los Angeles (1982-1998), then moved to Jonesboro Arkansas (1998-20001), then Dallas (2001-2012), then back to Los Angeles again. (2012-present)
During my youthful years I spent an enormous amount of time shuttling back and forth between my home in Maryland and New York where all my cousins lived.
We were very very close.

 

[noonereal]

Covid, SARS, swine flu and other future viruses will spread more through the city b/c ppl are closer together than they are in say Dallas TX. Is NYC dangerous b/c it has ppl from all over the world and so compacted together like most major cities? Do any of you worry about getting diseases living there?

Unlike MAGAworld, NYers do not live in fear.

I have zero concerns.

 

[Ishm]

No.

The Rotten Apple is dangerous because a lot of home-grown hoodlums are allowed to run wild by the district attorney who cries buckets of tears for the little darlings.

That's why those hoodlums last year murdered a DOZEN (!!!) subway riders.

The mayor of that nightmare city thought that a dozen murders were not so bad given the millions of daily subway riders.

The crazy people of that city elected their horrible district attorney and their horrible mayor. So those voters are responsible for the nightmare that NYC is.

Here in Los Angeles, the voters failed to kick out the bleeding-heart district attorney.
Maybe they wanted to protect their hoodlum relatives.

Your post made me think about what the mayor said, so I did a little research googling.
12 subway riders murdered from an annual total of 1,800,000,000 riders so your odds of being murdered in a year are ~ 0.00000067%
5 children (under 18 yrs) die by gunshot each day. There are 73,000,000 of those children, so their odds of being shot dead (in a year) are ~0.0025% or close to 4000 times higher than riding in the NYC subway.
So where should we be focusing our attention and resources?

 

[venice_ca]

Wait... what?

I'm with @emilseine on this one. Seinfeld was definitely filmed in New York's Upper West Side, but at least one episode was filmed in LA, and it is, indeed, very funny:



MAGA.

Filmed at CBS Studio Center, Studio City, and Desilu Cahuenga Studio.

Seinfeld Locations

Seinfeld locations list with spot information and geo coordinates. View the locations of Seinfeld on map.

www.latlong.net

 

[venice_ca]

LA is a huge patchwork of suburbs knitted together by an even more vast network of freeways, and the only people who focus on DOWNTOWN LA are lawyers, accountants, garment factory people and industrialist types.
Aside from the Convention Center and some famous old landmarks there isn't a huge "downtown scene" in LA and hasn't been for well over fifty years.
LA is HORIZONTAL, spread out.

When they ran out of affordable RE, DTLA became the gentrification target. Lofts, Arts District, Theater District, etc. The restaurant scene is booming. Museums, and of course, Gehry’s concert hall. While nowhere near as extensive as NYC, DTLA has been remade, and is still being remade.

Those old sweat shops are now attractive real estate.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

When they ran out of affordable RE, DTLA became the gentrification target. Lofts, Arts District, Theater District, etc. The restaurant scene is booming. Museums, and of course, Gehry’s concert hall. While nowhere near as extensive as NYC, DTLA has been remade, and is still being remade.

Those old sweat shops are now attractive real estate.

Oh to be sure, and I am a huge fan of Clifton's Cafeteria and hang out in the loft district a lot.
But what I was getting at is, this is all rather recent compared to NYC.
When I first moved to El Lay in the early Eighties, "nobody hung out downtown".
I had the opportunity to take some loft space early on and for super duper cheap, too.

But I passed on it because "Who the Hell hangs out downtown?"
My favorite part of LA is STILL Venice and this is where I had my studio for years:


The Morrison Apts, 14 Westminster, corner of Speedway, one half block from the Boardwalk.

 

[BitterPill]

Filmed at CBS Studio Center, Studio City, and Desilu Cahuenga Studio.

Seinfeld Locations

Seinfeld locations list with spot information and geo coordinates. View the locations of Seinfeld on map.

www.latlong.net

While it is true that there are several Seinfeld episodes that involved various members of the cast in Los Angeles proper, and it follows that the filmmakers might use a nearby studio for the sake of convenience since actors like Corbin Bernsen, George Wendt and Fred Savage can't be cast from people wandering the streets of Manhattan, I am steadfast in my agreement with @emilseine that the VAST MAJORITY of the episodes were filmed in an Upper West Side studio.

MAGA.

 

[BitterPill]

Nope.
The MIDDLE class always lived outside of Manhattan because Manhattan has ALWAYS been very expensive.
You're probably thinking of Brooklyn or some other part of the metro area, and even so, Brooklyn continues to thrive.
Both the Italian and German Jewish side of my family all are New Yorkers, the Jewish side lived in the city proper while the Italians live on Long Island.

Both Italian and Jewish... some are born to luck while the rest of us scrabble over the remainders.

MAGA.

 

[venice_ca]

While it is true that there are several Seinfeld episodes that involved various members of the cast in Los Angeles proper, and it follows that the filmmakers might use a nearby studio for the sake of convenience since actors like Corbin Bernsen, George Wendt and Fred Savage can't be cast from people wandering the streets of Manhattan, I am steadfast in my agreement with @emilseine that the VAST MAJORITY of the episodes were filmed in an Upper West Side studio.

MAGA.

Humph! I bet you don’t even believe that Tara (exterior) from GWTW still exists in Culver City.

Home to Tara: Culver Studios

Last week my friend Jay and I made a pilgrimage of sorts down to Culver City to see a famous mansion that stands on the corner of Washington and Ince. Culver Studios, as is it known today, is the f…

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Streets have been rerouted in spiffing up historic Culver City, and there are no longer expanses of green in front of ‘Tara.’ Instead, there’s a sharp left turn as you are forced to do the bidding of the city’s boosters who saved Tara —minimally.

 

[BitterPill]

Humph! I bet you don’t even believe that Tara (exterior) from GWTW still exists in Culver City.

Home to Tara: Culver Studios

Last week my friend Jay and I made a pilgrimage of sorts down to Culver City to see a famous mansion that stands on the corner of Washington and Ince. Culver Studios, as is it known today, is the f…

vivandlarry.com

Streets have been rerouted in spiffing up historic Culver City, and there are no longer expanses of green in front of ‘Tara.’ Instead, there’s a sharp left turn as you are forced to do the bidding of the city’s boosters who saved Tara —minimally.

Such is life, such is progress, though I prefer to think of it as de-evolution or, perhaps, evolution of another sort. I lived in Eugene for a time and was saddened to find the original Animal House had been torn down in '86 to be replaced by an office building though the adjacent sorority that Belushi once scaled a ladder for a good view still persists.

MAGA.

 

[Chomsky]

Now you're drawing studies from a sitcom?
Wow.
By the way, it is impossible to compare NYC with L.A. because NYC has a thriving downtown, and is much more vertical than LA.
LA is a huge patchwork of suburbs knitted together by an even more vast network of freeways,

and the only people who focus on DOWNTOWN LA are lawyers, accountants, garment factory people and industrialist types.
Aside from the Convention Center and some famous old landmarks there isn't a huge "downtown scene" in LA and hasn't been for well over fifty years.
LA is HORIZONTAL, spread out.

Minneapolis has a more vibrant downtown scene than Los Angeles.

The bolded is exactly how those from Chicago & NY see L.A. It's literally a collection of suburbs. It just doesn't "feel" like a "city".

Everyone I know that goes there talks about driving from suburb to suburb. No one's walking around the neighborhoods, no one's taking the bus/el/subway. Just hopping in cars to go to the next suburb.

Quite honestly - for those of us that grew-up in or live in dense cities with walkable neighborhoods, L.A. feels cold & disjointed, lacking in soul & lacking in character.

The heart & soul of great cities, IMHO, is in their neighborhoods.

 

[emilseine]

Yeah but in texas u have to drive everywhere instead of cities having ppl right next to each other squeezed in. Also the rat populus is bigger in the NYC

 

[emilseine]

Just saying rats carry more diseases and NYC has the most rats. I saw on the news that most of the eatieries and restaurants they tested had mouse poop in them. Is this a concern for you? Does NYC have nastier food places b/c of rats?

 

[ElChupacabra]

No.

The Rotten Apple is dangerous because a lot of home-grown hoodlums are allowed to run wild by the district attorney who cries buckets of tears for the little darlings.

That's why those hoodlums last year murdered a DOZEN (!!!) subway riders.

The mayor of that nightmare city thought that a dozen murders were not so bad given the millions of daily subway riders.

The crazy people of that city elected their horrible district attorney and their horrible mayor. So those voters are responsible for the nightmare that NYC is.

Here in Los Angeles, the voters failed to kick out the bleeding-heart district attorney.
Maybe they wanted to protect their hoodlum relatives.

This sounds like it comes from someone who doesn't live there and is making assessments based on what they see on TV. This reminds me of the reputation the city got during the 70's, when people assumed the entire city was like the images of the South Bronx they saw on TV and movies. Of course that wasn't the case, even though crime was a problem, we were not all living in war zones and fighting off muggers every day.

 

[BitterPill]

Just saying rats carry more diseases and NYC has the most rats. I saw on the news that most of the eatieries and restaurants they tested had mouse poop in them. Is this a concern for you? Does NYC have nastier food places b/c of rats?

While I don't share your fixation on rats, I think I understand it, but I'm often wrong.

MAGA.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

Answer: When Covid first emerged, it hit cities like NY first and hard. Two years later, AND YOU CAN ALL LOOK THIS UP BECAUSE IT'S TRUE, the highest % relative to population of Covid cases and Covid deaths were in red states.

 

[emilseine]

Seinfeld was filmed in hollywood people

 

[Slartibartfast]

Covid, SARS, swine flu and other future viruses will spread more through the city b/c ppl are closer together than they are in say Dallas TX. Is NYC dangerous b/c it has ppl from all over the world and so compacted together like most major cities? Do any of you worry about getting diseases living there?

Some neighborhoods can be dangerous, but generally they are safe.