Are all of you anti-choice people on a bone marrow donor registry?

[Scrabaholic]

It was clear.

If it was, I'd have seen it.

 

[Josie]

If it was, I'd have seen it.

Or - you're not perfect and you misread.

 

[DarkWizard12]

And I'm the Queen of Siam. Almost everyone, esp. men, who are capable (ie not paralyzed or whose arms are missing) masturbates. The rest lie.

I used to masturbate all the time. It's normal. We live in a modern world where immodesty and easy to access porn is the norm. No one, except the extreme religious guard their eyes, and even then, they're not perfect at it.

but I quit. I am also married, so it's far easier for me to quit than a man who is single, because I have a beautiful woman i can go home to.

there's many online groups and communities of men who have stopped, or want to. It's not really a new thing, it's just not something you'd hear about, because understandably, this subject is embarrassing for most men.

For me, it was because sex just didn't feel good. I was gaining more pleasure from my own hand, that i couldn't please my wife as well. We'd have arguments all the time, fights over nothing, and etc, after a month of abstaining though, i was far more sensitive, and pleasured my wife much more, and enjoyed sex much more, and we had sex more often. Since then, there just hasn't been much of a need.

A lot of men have stories like this, and as time goes on, more and more men are quitting for their own reasons. Some religious, some just to pleasure their wife more, some just because....

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-40382766

 

[Crunchtime]

Yes, it does. Your employment is voluntary. If you decide you want to put your coworkers at risk then your employer has the right to discontinue business with you. Freedom on all sides.

If you're vaccinated there's no real problem, right? You're safe.

The day is coming when employment won't be voluntary. Everyone will have their little job that they report to. Salaries will be relatively equal. The government will be running everything. It's called socialism. The head of the house budget committee is a socialist. Doesn't all of this alarm you just a little?

 

[Crunchtime]

I always said you can't be "pro-life" and oppose universal health care, gun control, environmental protection, education, and programs for the poor at the same time. You can't be "pro-life" and support war. You can't be "pro-life" and get mad every time someone says, "Wear a mask and get vaccinated." So yes, I absolutely agree "anti-choice" is the only way to describe people who oppose abortion before the unborn is viable for an extended period outside the mother.

All of this doesn't really matter. it's just talk. Just terminology. What matters is what you think about abortion, and why. The unborn are viable when their heart beats for the first time and then afterwards. To think otherwise is course and cruel. Even pagan.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

All of this doesn't really matter. it's just talk. Just terminology. What matters is what you think about abortion, and why. The unborn are viable when their heart beats for the first time and then afterwards. To think otherwise is course and cruel. Even pagan.

Baloney. The heart begins beating long before the fetus has a complete central nervous system. It takes 20 weeks for the fetus to have barely functional lungs. There is absolutely no way a fetus can be viable the first time his/her four-chambered heart registers on an ECG.

How do you expect any human being without lungs, four heart chambers, and a cerebral cortex to live outside the mother's body? NICU machines and tubes don't count. If a baby is not performing all vital bodily functions normally for an extended period, he or she is not viable.

People who refuse to let the mother decide what is best for herself and her family are evil. The morality of abortion stands or falls on what she needs to have or not have, can't or cannot do, is and is not. Nothing else.

 

[weaver2]

All of this doesn't really matter. it's just talk. Just terminology. What matters is what you think about abortion, and why. The unborn are viable when their heart beats for the first time and then afterwards. To think otherwise is course and cruel. Even pagan.

So what were you doing when you should have been paying attention in HS biology?

 

[Scrabaholic]

Or - you're not perfect and you misread.

You just can't ever admit that maybe your wording wasn't what it should be, eh?

 

[Scrabaholic]

All of this doesn't really matter. it's just talk. Just terminology. What matters is what you think about abortion, and why. The unborn are viable when their heart beats for the first time and then afterwards. To think otherwise is course and cruel. Even pagan.

Medically speaking, fetal viability is when 50% of them can live outside the woman's body, with or without assistance. I believe @minnie616 has sources for this.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

If you're vaccinated there's no real problem, right? You're safe.

The day is coming when employment won't be voluntary. Everyone will have their little job that they report to. Salaries will be relatively equal. The government will be running everything. It's called socialism. The head of the house budget committee is a socialist. Doesn't all of this alarm you just a little?

You needed many vaccines to even go to school. You're being melodramatic and dishonest because you have an agenda.

And no, vaccination does not make you 100% immune from the virus, it only radically reduces your chance of being severely hospitalized. Please educate yourself on the topic before forming hard opinions.

It has the same DNA. Do you have links that show otherwise? I'd be interested in seeing them - I am open to learning and changing my mind if enough credible evidence is presented.

See link in post #322. They have similar DNA as the creator but many of the DNA traits have been randomized. Every sperm has unique DNA, not that any of this is criteria for determining if a woman has a right to her own body or not.

All of this doesn't really matter. it's just talk. Just terminology. What matters is what you think about abortion, and why. The unborn are viable when their heart beats for the first time and then afterwards. To think otherwise is course and cruel. Even pagan.

Viable is a medical term to indicate that the fetus is capable of surviving outside of the mother. To claim that a fetus could survive a few weeks after conception is totally ludacrous and likely the stupidest thing I've heard in a while.

Thank you for posting a link that supports my argument.

Your semen links back to you and only you (unless you happen to have an identical twin). That’s why forensics are so important in criminal cases.

At conception, that human has a genetic code that is unique to him or her and only him or her (just as your link says).

I know you're not a reader, but my link literally says every sperm has unique DNA. You're so god damn lazy you can't even read the cutout from the link I showed you, you just pretend to read it. And yes, the DNA is similar enough for forensics but every single sperm is completely unique.

This is a medical fact. You're dishonest and desperate because you're basing your entire argument on what is apparently a 4th grade science education level.

You can just say you're anti-choice because you want the government to control our bodies, you don't have to pretend to know anything about biology.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

It's a babe

Uhhh...I am? did you forget I'm religious?

That's why I don't masturbate.

There's entire programs to get men to stop looking at porn. Masturbation ****s with your head, and a lot of men, even single men, are trying to stop.

https://fightthenewdrug.org/

You've definitely masturbate before, and when you did you committed mass murder.

 

[choiceone]

I've repeated a million times now the identical twin exception.

That does not seem to have registered in your brain. Precisely because of this "exception," unique DNA is not an impressive feature of "a human." That I have DNA different from yours is less important than the fact that I have an organism that is different from yours.

We cannot control our DNA, save to consent or refuse to make more organisms with it, but we can voluntarily control the organisms. Everything voluntary is unique, because when any of us imitates another, there are still minute differences. Identical twins can have non-unique DNA, but they have unique thoughts, do unique things, express unique ideas. Mind makes us valuable; DNA doesn't.

 

[Josie]

I know you're not a reader, but my link literally says every sperm has unique DNA. You're so god damn lazy you can't even read the cutout from the link I showed you, you just pretend to read it. And yes, the DNA is similar enough for forensics but every single sperm is completely unique.

This is a medical fact. You're dishonest and desperate because you're basing your entire argument on what is apparently a 4th grade science education level.

Nothing I said was dishonest. The entire conversation started with you saying that sperm are humans. They aren't. A fetus is.

Your semen DNA will always link back to you and only you. It is unique to you and only you.

A fetus' DNA will always 100% link back to ....... who?

You can just say you're anti-choice because you want the government to control our bodies, you don't have to pretend to know anything about biology.

Nope. I abhor the government telling me what I can do with my body. When we're talking about abortion, though, there's another human involved.

 

[Josie]

That does not seem to have registered in your brain. Precisely because of this "exception," unique DNA is not an impressive feature of "a human." That I have DNA different from yours is less important than the fact that I have an organism that is different from yours.

We cannot control our DNA, save to consent or refuse to make more organisms with it, but we can voluntarily control the organisms. Everything voluntary is unique, because when any of us imitates another, there are still minute differences. Identical twins can have non-unique DNA, but they have unique thoughts, do unique things, express unique ideas. Mind makes us valuable; DNA doesn't.

Unique DNA distinguishes humans from one another. That's impressive enough, but identical twins are even more interesting. The human body is an incredibly complex and fascinating organism from conception.

The science behind genetics isn't "impressive"?? LOL! Wow.

 

[Scrabaholic]

And no, vaccination does not make you 100% immune from the virus, it only radically reduces your chance of being severely hospitalized. Please educate yourself on the topic before forming hard opinions.

No vaccine is 100% effective. I was vaccinated against measles, but still got it. They do reduce the chances of catching the virus and like you said, reduces the chance of being hospitalized.

See link in post #322. They have similar DNA as the creator but many of the DNA traits have been randomized. Every sperm has unique DNA, not that any of this is criteria for determining if a woman has a right to her own body or not.

That was very interesting, thank you. I'm going to ask my honey to explain it further (he's an MD) in layman's terms - he tends to talk in medical terms lol. The whole page was interesting - it blows my mind that females are born with so many eggs!

Viable is a medical term to indicate that the fetus is capable of surviving outside of the mother. To claim that a fetus could survive a few weeks after conception is totally ludacrous and likely the stupidest thing I've heard in a while.

Agreed.

 

[prometeus]

Unique DNA distinguishes humans from one another.

Yes and functioning organs that sustain life distinguish "beings" from beings that will be.

 

[DarkWizard12]

You've definitely masturbate before, and when you did you committed mass murder.

I hold it's only the loss of 1 life, not mass murder

 

[Josie]

I hold it's only the loss of 1 life, not mass murder

Please explain how masturbating is the loss of a human life.

 

[DarkWizard12]

Please explain how masturbating is the loss of a human life.

you want a religious or secular explanation? i can do both, and i only have time for one.

 

[Josie]

you want a religious or secular explanation? i can do both, and i only have time for one.

It's a biological question, so......

But give me both the religious and scientific explanation, please.

 

[it's just me]

Please explain how masturbating is the loss of a human life.

The same way tax cuts cause poverty.

 

[DarkWizard12]

It's a biological question, so......

But give me both the religious and scientific explanation, please.

you have a watermelon seed.

you plant the seed and it grows into a vine.

Or, instead, you throw the seed into a fire, and it's destroyed.

You now have no vine, no plant, nothing to bear more watermelons.

and now you have to buy a whole new seed, or just a new watermelon.

same applies to human seed....except you can't buy a new human....that's illegal, unfortunately.

 

[Josie]

you have a watermelon seed.

you plant the seed and it grows into a vine.

Or, instead, you throw the seed into a fire, and it's destroyed.

You now have no vine, no plant, nothing to bear more watermelons.

and now you have to buy a whole new seed, or just a new watermelon.

same applies to human seed....except you can't buy a new human....that's illegal, unfortunately.

How fascinating that you think that's a good analogy.

In plants, the seed is already at the fertilization stage. Your masturbated semen hasn't fertilized anything. All you're killing when you masturbate is your own semen -- not a human life. Not to mention that you don't need to "buy" more semen after you've masturbated. Heh.

 

[DarkWizard12]

How fascinating that you think that's a good analogy.

In plants, the seed is already at the fertilization stage.

k

Your masturbated semen hasn't fertilized anything.

does it have to though? I only thought of that as necessity to grow, which is an entirely different thing than saying "is it life" or not.

All you're killing when you masturbate is your own semen -- not a human life.

well human life requires semen(until they perfect technology on using eggs to fertilize eggs but...eh, that technology is a whole can of worms entirely and i don't think it takes away the status of seed in any case).

Not to mention that you don't need to "buy" more semen after you've masturbated. Heh.

the body has to make more seed, but again, that's irrelevant.

it's not like a man who wastes his seed, even if he had the status of a murderer, is unusual. 90%+ men masturbate in the modern world, so even if it were on the level of murder, how bad is he really? Spiritually, he may be terrible, or at least feel terrible, but relative to the everyone else, not bad at all, it's just something he has to work on, so that it doesn't take over his life. There are A LOT of men these days who are addicted to porn, and by masturbating, throw their bodies off balance and become unable to perform sexually and healthily. Within the more religious community, this includes getting married so that the man has an outlet for his 'creative' desires.

 

[Josie]

k

does it have to though? I only thought of that as necessity to grow, which is an entirely different thing than saying "is it life" or not.

Well, your semen is alive, but it's not an individual human life. You have to fertilize a woman's egg to get a new life.

well human life requires semen(until they perfect technology on using eggs to fertilize eggs but...eh, that technology is a whole can of worms entirely and i don't think it takes away the status of seed in any case).

the body has to make more seed, but again, that's irrelevant.

it's not like a man who wastes his seed, even if he had the status of a murderer, is unusual. 90%+ men masturbate in the modern world, so even if it were on the level of murder, how bad is he really? Well, not bad at all, it's just something he has to work on, so that it doesn't take over his life. There are A LOT of men these days who are addicted to porn, and by masturbating, throw their bodies off balance and become unable to perform sexually and healthily. Within the more religious community, this includes getting married so that the man has an outlet for his 'creative' desires.

Yes, the process requires semen, but semen alone isn't a human life. Masturbation has not one thing to do with murder.