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APNewsBreak: Bubble of methane triggered rig blast

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As has been posted earlier on this subject, cement placed at the bottom of the well meant to act as a seal seems to be the culprit.


There are safe guards and from interviews of the workers on the rig, the safeguards did not work.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_gulf_oil_spill
 
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As has been posted earlier on this subject, cement placed at the bottom of the well meant to act as a seal seems to be the culprit.

Well, here we go. Now we have people who don't know jack **** about how an oil well works acting like they know how an oil well works. Hint #1, they don't use cement as a plug.

This is a classic case of some reporter taking half-assed information and adding their own creative license to it. I was waiting for this.
 


Did you read the link? The reporter is quoting Robert Bea:


So:


It's not the reporter's supposition, it is Bea's.
 
Did you read the link? The reporter is quoting Robert Bea:



So:



It's not the reporter's supposition, it is Bea's.


Those who can, do and those who can't, teach.

I'm not really concerned with the opinion of a school teacher, from Berkley, of all places. And, if Bea is saying that they use cement as a plug, then his credibility is shot. Either he knows dick about drilling, or the use of the word cement is being used to set it up to be Halliburton's fault, and on we go to Dick Cheney.

Let me add something that I should have clarified in my first post: could a gas pocket have been the culprit? Sure! That's how blowouts typically happen. I recall hearing the guy on Mark Levin's show saying that the rig, "took a kick". That's when the workstring--the drill pipe--penetrates a cavity and natural gas, at massive pressure tries to travel up the string. Now, taking a kick and blowing out are two different things.

The piece of information I'm waiting for, is what they were doing when the well blew out. I've heard they were drilling. I've also heard they were running casing. That's a very important tidbit that hasn't been clarified, yet.

If they were running casing, then the gas bubble theory, IMO, isn't accurate.

As far as the BOP--blow out preventer--goes, the Horizon was using what's known in the industry as a subsea tree. The tree houses the BOP stack, which is made up of the BOP(s) and the annuler.

This is a conventional BOP stack. The annuler at the top, then a double BOP, then a single BOP. The subsea tree is much more advanced than this apparatus, which has only one hydraulic power source. The subsea tree used on the Horizon--built by FMC--had three operating sources.

 
Oh, the irony …

“A group of BP executives were on board the Deepwater Horizon rig celebrating the project's safety record, according to the transcripts.” — Associated Press

I saw that too. A little premature?

I wonder what their reaction is since they were there to experience the danger their workers faced. Will they push for more strict safeguards?
 
Oh, the irony …

“A group of BP executives were on board the Deepwater Horizon rig celebrating the project's safety record, according to the transcripts.” — Associated Press

Yeah, the Libs are all excited about this. Huh?

Now ya'll have an excuse to stop drilling and put a million people out of work.
 
I saw that too. A little premature?

I wonder what their reaction is since they were there to experience the danger their workers faced. Will they push for more strict safeguards?


You better believe they will. BP will lose billions because of this blowout. They sure as hell don't want it to happen again.
 

Actually.....

I (actually, Halliburton) have plugged wells on several occassions using cement. We also used cement to secure casing. But that was 20 years ago when I worked in the oil patch. Don't know if they still use it today but I don't know why they wouldn't unless some better technology has come about.

The most common cause for blowouts, as far as I know, is because above oil formations it is quite common to find salt domes, or other formations holding gasses under high pressure. Once this formation is "punctured, so to speak, the weight of the "drilling mud" (barite or "bar" as we called it) is supposed to keep downhole pressures downhole. But when the mud comes into a void, and sucked into that void, it can all be lost in a matter of seconds. When methane, or any gas for that matter, rises it expands thus adding additional pressure, overcoming the weight of the drilling mud, this "burping" the drilling mud out of the string of pipe, thus enabling the gas to make it's way to the surface. Sort of a domino effect.

Drilling mud is constantly monitored for weight and viscosity and return. When the flapper on the return line clicks faster than the mud goes into the hole, you have a problem. It means something is pushing your mud OUT of the hole and you lose the weight holding the downhole pressures down. When you lose your mud return, it means you're losing it downhole. Not a good scenerio either.

That's when bopper's (Blow Out Preventers or BOP's) are suppose to come into play. You got blind rams and shear rams. Each have their function. They are tested frequently. At least, they supposed to be.

I worked offshore on J Storm 5 (Marine Drilling) when the gas count registered in the return mud at over 3000 units. We had stand by boats. Daily drills. Used only brass sledgehammers (brass doesn't spark) and absolutely no smoking was allowed.

It's no place for a screw up. that's for sure.
 
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Oh for God's sake. He worked for BP. He's an engineer for oil safety.

Robert Bea, a University of California Berkeley engineering professor who serves on a National Academy of Engineering panel on oil pipeline safety and worked for BP PLC as a risk assessment consultant during the 1990s.

Further, he also worked for Shell and on oil rigs. So he did, but is now 73 and can't.


Disparage him all you want, I really don't have a dog in the fight, but he has credentials and his opinion was sought as an expert.



Also, there isn't a word about Halliburton in the entire article
 


Yes, cement is used to set casing. Yes, cement is used to P&A--plug an abandon--a well. But, you know as well as I do that cement isn't used as a plug while drilling operations are going on.

Last I heard, the BOP stack is tested everytime the rig trips pipe--or, as you say, supposed to be.
 

He was a pencil pusher that became a teacher. Like I said, those who can do, those who can't, teach.

Further, he also worked for Shell and on oil rigs. So he did, but is now 73 and can't.

He wasn't on this rig, so therefore it's his opinion of what might have happened. On that, he's correct. That is what might have happened.
 
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He was a pencil pusher that became a teacher. Like I said, those who can do, those who can't, teach.



He wasn't on this rig, so therefore it's his opinion of what might have happened. On that, he's correct. That is what might have happened.



There are several applications that are loosly referred to as "plugging the well" using cement. I can't swear to it but I seem to remember using a rubber compund once or twice too.

Service hands did all that stuff. Schlumberger, Halliburton, National Well Control, etc.

I just had the pleasure of doing all the floor-hand (read: ****ty work) duties and putting up BOP's and taking them down again and again and again. Back then we used a BFH (sledge) and a hammer wrench. No impact wrenches. Hanging off a ridebelt, above the ocean, torquing up bolts as big as apples, by hand, makes one strong like ox and smart like bull. Wonder if that's why they called us roughnecks?

I have spent many years in the Gulf. It's a world away from the rest of the world.
 
 
Oh come on. That's just the right wing media spin. Everyone knows this is Bush's fault.




And Haliburton
 
Bubble of methane triggered rig blast

So this was all Dan's fault.
 
too bad that environmental impact study was cancelled

washingtonpost.com

mms' assessments are insulting---a large spill would bleed 1500 barrels total, deepwater disasters would never reach land, would dissipate in 10 days, would dispose "sub lethal" effects on fish...

it's not just oil, by the way, it's sleaze:


Since spill, feds have given 27 waivers to oil companies in gulf | McClatchy
 
Oh come on. That's just the right wing media spin. Everyone knows this is Bush's fault.




And Haliburton

You jest, but I did hear a sound bite where some clown was saying that since Bush didn't make the offshore companies use accoustic shut-offs, that it was, indeed, Bush's fault.

I saw Bob Beckel on Hannity Monday night going on about how it's Halliburton's fault. Plus we have that silly thread about how it might be Halliburton's fault. I knew it would get rediculous as some point; just didn't think it would take so long...lol
 
 
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