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Apes descended from Humans – NOT the other way around.

Tucker Case said:
Oh, that sounds fun! At least evolution deniers seem nice.
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I wouldn't eat the peanut butter, though. Who knows what sort of life might have sprung from the nonliving matter inside, thus proving that the author of the link above has no freakin' idea at all what evolution is all about, and no doubt slept through 8th. grade science, then dropped out.

He sounds a lot like someone else who keeps posting nonsense.. let's see.. who was it again?
 
Dittohead not! said:
I wouldn't eat the peanut butter, though. Who knows what sort of life might have sprung from the nonliving matter inside, thus proving that the author of the link above has no freakin' idea at all what evolution is all about, and no doubt slept through 8th. grade science, then dropped out.

He sounds a lot like someone else who keeps posting nonsense.. let's see.. who was it again?
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Is the theory of spontaneous generation Lemarck or was that someone else? I thought Lemarck was the guy that thought if a giraffe cannot reach the top of a tree to get food, it will stretch out its neck during its lifetime and pass that onto its children. I really don't remember any of that from 20+ years ago.
 
Gargantuan said:
Is the theory of spontaneous generation Lemarck or was that someone else? I thought Lemarck was the guy that thought if a giraffe cannot reach the top of a tree to get food, it will stretch out its neck during its lifetime and pass that onto its children. I really don't remember any of that from 20+ years ago.
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yep. you get the prize on Lemarck. Spontaneous Generation goes all the way back to antiquity - socrates mentions it as an existing theorom - the pluralists like empedocles and pythagoras seem to have carried forward. it was only finally refuted in the 19th c by pasteur.

i cannot believe this thread is still alive.

geo.
 
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Geo Patric said:
yep. you get the prize on Lemarck. Spontaneous Generation goes all the way back to antiquity - socrates mentions it as an existing theorom - the pluralists like empedocles and pythagoras seem to have carried forward. it was only finally refuted in the 19th c by pasteur.

i cannot believe this thread is still alive.

geo.
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Right, with the experiment with the rats and the hay, right? College is coming back to me...
 
Ptif has been quiet for a few days, perhaps he is preparing a counter attack.

Stay on guard comrades. More requests for proof incoming!
 
Gargantuan said:
It looks it? Physical comparisons prove little to nothing. If you look at two plants for example, they may look the same, but their genetics may be so different that they don't even have a common ancestor. Ptif why do you keep arguing this? You don't understand any of the big words that have been shown to you so you just say "Looks apes to me" just give it up man... lol.
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Give up what? Asking questions you have no answer for
 
Tucker Case said:
Your article is a secondary/tertiary source. It doesn't prove anything, it reports soemthing. And a single study is nothing more than a single study. Not all studies agree.



Where'd you get the stupid idea that fossils ar ethe only possible proof?



Why are you artificially removing a legitimate form of proof form teh discussion? That's just willfull ignroance on your part.
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Another words you have no answers for what my links show
 
Tucker Case said:
Can you translate this from gibberish to English for me?

Also, do you have a lamarckian understanding of evolution? If so, it would explain quite a bit.
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Evolution is a species evolving. how can a species evolve into 2 or evolve and yet stay the same
 
The Mark said:
This whole thing started because (if I understand correctly) ptif219 misunderstood an article about humans and apes having a common ancestor as meaning apes descended from humans and not the other way around.

Or so my recollection of this thread, along with the thread title, would suggest.

I think he now understands his mistake in that area, but I wouldn’t bet money on it.
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If Apes and Humans came from one species how does a species evolve twice
 
The Mark said:
The whole point of the scientific process is to ask questions.

I get the impression you assumed that the people who think evolution is the best way to explain things instead thought of it as an "established fact".

Hell no.
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The author of this blog is arguing that the theory of evolution as currently formed does not fully explain all aspects of the available evidence.

My response would be: Why the hell did he think it was supposed to?

Evolution is a theory that is constantly undergoing scrutiny and examination in part or in whole.

As such, any expectation of a complete explanation, either by proponents of or opponents to, is completely unreasonable.

Also, the ad at the bottom of his blog…WTF?!?:

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This appears to be the same thing, a scientist arguing that theory is incomplete or inaccurate, and giving his altered or opposing theory.

WHAT THE HELL is that voice that keeps repeating “Weeea damoo” every 15 secs or so!!!!!!!111

It’s driving me mad trying to concentrate on the damn argument of the scientist.

WTF is this ****.

Is some 1-y/o commenting on the argument every so often?

:doh

Not worth my time to have to submit to that mental irritation just to hear the whole thing.
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Scientists asking questions about theories and disproving some aspects of some theories, then positing new theories to explain the new evidence.

It gives me a warm feeling inside to see the scientific process working so well.

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In short, I’m damn glad there are “more questions”, and the fact that there are should readily convince you that the point you tried to make earlier in this thread about science being dead and replaced by politics was totally wrong.
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If it is theory and not proven and we are still asking questions why is it taught to children as fact?
 
ptif219 said:
If it is theory and not proven and we are still asking questions why is it taught to children as fact?
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Is it?

I don't know, having never gone to public school.
 
ptif219 said:
Give up what? Asking questions you have no answer for
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I, on the other hand, must continue to ask questions you have no answer for in order to test my hypothesis.

What does the speed and wave length of light have to do with the colors in a prism?
 
Jetboogieman said:
Ptif has been quiet for a few days, perhaps he is preparing a counter attack.

Stay on guard comrades. More requests for proof incoming!
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No it is called working as a truck driver. Since thursday I went from Florida to Gaffney SC to Bensalem PA to Harrisburg PA to Milwaukee WI and now I am at a truckstop in Gary IN. That is over 2000 miles
 
Dittohead not! said:
I, on the other hand, must continue to ask questions you have no answer for in order to test my hypothesis.

What does the speed and wave length of light have to do with the colors in a prism?
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Get to your point. I am not answering your useless questions that have no point. Go play your games with CC
 
ptif219 said:
Evolution is a species evolving. how can a species evolve into 2 or evolve and yet stay the same
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you need to study evolution a little.

2 bird groups are separated by a seismic event resulting in their living in different environments. BOTH groups change as their environments change - since they are in different environments, they change in differing directions. Finch is still finch, but THIS finch is now different from THAT finch. eventually, as long as there is no mating between the groups, they change to such an extent that they cannot interbreed and produce reproducible young.

answers both questions.

geo.
 
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