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AP: Trump admin considers using 100,000 National Guard troops for immigration raids

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Tangmo said:
General Kelly's memo is dated January 25th. That is the same date as the Trump-Bannon disastrous EO on immigration. Gen. Kelly's memo said it was pursuant to the EO of January 25th, i.e., toward implementing it from the DHS perspective.

If the White House did not know of Kelly's memo of January 25th then the whole gang of 'em at 1600 should be fired, right on up to Trump. And if the WH did know about the general's memo of January 25th as of January 25th, they should all be fired anyway.
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Well, since you put it that way....lol
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
I understand that I'm dealing with a person who has limited reading comprehension, that is a "tweet" already proven to be untrue....that was the whole point you avoided in the first part of our discussion.
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What part...that this isn't happening?
 
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Abbazorkzog said:
An appeal to authority is a logical fallacy. Gimme already posted photographic evidence that it was a DHS document.
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My point was how did you know it was real. Now I see DHS said it was a rough draft.

Still to my original point. Not considered by Secretary or President.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Oh...so again...you were wrong. Any other conspiracy theories you want to share?
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Again? Geez, I am doing the work for you but you haven't proven anything.

Answer me this since you were happy to dodge the first time.

Was this memo viewed by the President or his Secretary?
 
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Blue_State said:
What part...that this isn't happening?
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That it isn't a "WH" doc, again, unless DHS...or the SSoS...or any other Cabinet Dept is not part of the Executive Branch.
 
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jmotivator said:
I think they can, they just need to be called up by the president in that case rather than a governor.
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The Kelly memo says to coordinate among cooperating governors to allow NG from one state into another.

The 1981 amendment to the Posse Comitatus Act provides for this.
 
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Blue_State said:
The OP is: AP: Trump admin considers using 100,000 National Guard troops for immigration raids. And you want to argue where the document is from the WH or DHS? Trump admin is not considering this. That is the bottom line. This document as I said before did not come from the president or his secretary and as I said previously, page 1 contains the links showing that neither have seen this.
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The memo by General Kelly is posted here in the relevant part.

The memo is from and by General Kelly.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
That it isn't a "WH" doc, again, unless DHS...or the SSoS...or any other Cabinet Dept is not part of the Executive Branch.
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Who is arguing if it is a WH doc? WTF? Seriously!


Blue_State said:
The OP is: AP: Trump admin considers using 100,000 National Guard troops for immigration raids. And you want to argue where the document is from the WH or DHS? Trump admin is not considering this. That is the bottom line. This document as I said before did not come from the president or his secretary and as I said previously, page 1 contains the links showing that neither have seen this.
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Blue_State said:
Again? Geez, I am doing the work for you but you haven't proven anything.
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I documented it was a DHS doc....so yeah, "proven"....but then challenged by you....which you had to walk back.

Answer me this since you were happy to dodge the first time.

Was this memo viewed by the President or his Secretary?
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How am I supposed to "prove" that? Why would I prove YOUR contention?
 
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Tangmo said:
The memo by General Kelly is posted here in the relevant part.

The memo is from and by General Kelly.
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It was a draft. Are you saying Secretary Kelly saw it?
 
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Blue_State said:
My point was how did you know it was real. Now I see DHS said it was a rough draft.
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If it was drafted by the DHS, then it is a White House document - ergo: "Trump admin considers using 100,000 National Guard troops for immigration raids" is fairly accurate.
 
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Abbazorkzog said:
An appeal to authority is a logical fallacy and a tweet is not evidence. Gimme already posted photographic evidence that it was a DHS document.
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If it was not a DHS document then some forgers will be going to prison for a long time.

No one is saying the document is a forgery. No one is saying the document was an April Fool's joke come early. Or that it was written for amusement to be ignored or to be ignored or not seriously considered or discussed. It is rather a major proposal and a serious document.

To claim otherwise is frivolous tripe.

Reality is this is a typically Trump Administration document that is entirely consistent with this White House. That it would make Barnum and Bailey envious is beside the point.
 
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Jetboogieman said:
So why do you support Trump?
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What his opponents call lies, those who support him see them as mistakes and bravado.
 
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j-mac said:
If it were true, which it's not, but if it were, wouldn't it be a violation of Posse comitatus [sic]?
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Could he Federalize the NG?? Now as to using the NG for law enforcement, I have no idea what else would be legally required???
Did find this
National Guard Could Get Power to Arrest
The Texas National Guard could acquire the power to make arrests after Gov. Rick Perry announced plans to deploy 1,000 troops to the border to help deal with the illegal immigration crisis, The New York Times reported.

In the past, the National Guard has not had the power to make arrests or apprehend people in cases when the federal government authorizes their deployment, but because Perry authorized it himself, the law allows for him to grant the National Guard those powers.
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Blue_State said:
It was a draft. Are you saying Secretary Kelly saw it?
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General Kelly wrote the thing....



MEMORANDUM FOR:

Kevin McAleenan
Acting Commissioner
U.S. Customs and Border Protection
Dan Ragsdale
Acting Director
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement
Lori Scialabba
Acting Director
U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services
Kelli Ann Burriesci
Acting Deputy Assistant Secretary for Policy

FROM:

John Kelly
Secretary

Trump team considers deploying National Guard for immigrant roundup | New York Post
 
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Tangmo said:
General Kelly wrote the thing....



MEMORANDUM FOR:

Kevin McAleenan
Acting Commissioner
U.S. Customs and Border Protection
Dan Ragsdale
Acting Director
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement
Lori Scialabba
Acting Director
U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services
Kelli Ann Burriesci
Acting Deputy Assistant Secretary for Policy

FROM:

John Kelly
Secretary

Trump team considers deploying National Guard for immigrant roundup | New York Post
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Nope....The Daily Beast, (No conservative outlet for sure has this up)....

"The Department of Homeland Security is roundly condemning an Associated Press story that broke Friday morning about considering the use of the National Guard to “round up” undocumented immigrants. The DHS says that isn’t true, and—contra the AP’s reporting—that DHS Secretary John Kelly didn’t write the draft memo.

“The Department is not considering mobilizing the National Guard,” said Gillian Christensen, the acting press secretary for DHS.

A DHS official told The Daily Beast that the memo the AP cited was an early, pre-decisional draft, that Kelly never approved it, and that the department as a whole never seriously considered it."

Homeland Security on AP?s National Guard: ?Absolutely Incorrect? - The Daily Beast
 
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j-mac said:
Nope....The Daily Beast, (No conservative outlet for sure has this up)....

"The Department of Homeland Security is roundly condemning an Associated Press story that broke Friday morning about considering the use of the National Guard to “round up” undocumented immigrants. The DHS says that isn’t true, and—contra the AP’s reporting—that DHS Secretary John Kelly didn’t write the draft memo.

“The Department is not considering mobilizing the National Guard,” said Gillian Christensen, the acting press secretary for DHS.

A DHS official told The Daily Beast that the memo the AP cited was an early, pre-decisional draft, that Kelly never approved it, and that the department as a whole never seriously considered it."

Homeland Security on AP?s National Guard: ?Absolutely Incorrect? - The Daily Beast
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No one can seriously consider the desperate and panic and manic denial of what is in black and white with General John Kelly's name on it as "From".

The frantic denial comes from the administration that contradicts itself in a single sentence.

Whether DHS and/or the WH is considering it or just playing around writing stupid and assinine memos, the memo was written and it was circulated. It cites the USC and other accurate and viable references and sources as its rationale and justification.

Considering or proposing using the National Guard is classic Musso, er, Trump and his people. And one of Trump's people is a retired 4-star USMC running DHS. This is like the Dennis the Menace cartoon when the child himself comes running into the house all flustered clamoring that "I didn't break any window."
 
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The radical right has recently changed its tune about Trump the Action Man doing what he promised.

Now suddenly Trump and his people high up are doing nothing if we listen to the Right Sector.

Busted.
 
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